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[CCS]

I'm assuming that by "taking corporate money" we're referring to taking donations from people who work at... corporations...?

If you work for a for-profit you're part of the establishment. McDonald's' employees are rigging the country in favour of Wall Street. Public sector workers and charitable volunteers are the only morally upstanding people in America.

 

[User 406]

Where exactly did this whole thing of tallying up individual contributions by where the donors work start anyway? The constant conflation of employees with the company they work for is terribly misleading.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

I'm assuming that by "taking corporate money" we're referring to taking donations from people who work at... corporations...?

Either that or billionaires who are largely associated with a major corporation(like the Kochs), that's what I always took it to mean. It's always weird that liberals assume people working at corporations are all supportive of their corporation's sometimes unethical actions.

My mom works at Verizon but that doesn't mean she supported SOPA.

 

[NeoXChaos]

 

[Officerrob]

Against Trump, I'd put Virginia in the next darker shade of blue

 

[User 463088]

Where exactly did this whole thing of tallying up individual contributions by where the donors work start anyway? The constant conflation of employees with the company they work for is terribly misleading.

Was it McCain-Feingold? Not sure, but I have a feeling it might have been.

 

[CCS]

Well isn't that just lovely

 

[dramatis]

Found a fun game that the number-crazy people might want to give a whack at.

Guess the Correlation

All you [pseudo] statisticians better be high performers

 

[Orbis Tabula]

I kind of wish the whole Rubio Gay Sex rumor had turned out to be true. "Me and Rubio Down by the Schoolyard" pretty much writes itself.

 

[Ecotic]

Trump at 50 on PredicIt. What a horrendous 2 weeks. I wonder what the day after a 10 point plus loss in Wisconsin looks like. I think a 15 to 20 point loss is possible.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Found a fun game that the number-crazy people might want to give a whack at.

Guess the Correlation

All you [pseudo] statisticians better be high performers

Score of 22 with a mean error of .10.

 

[Butts-a-plenty]

What else can Pennsylvania do to prove its safe dem at this point.

 

[dramatis]

Score of 22 with a mean error of .10.

Top dude on the scoreboard has score of 2126 lol

 

[NeoXChaos]

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Joy Reid
This is a…problem.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Donald Jay Bird
It isn’t about helping the “establishment,” it’s about the resources to win down ballot.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
Because President Sanders can’t accomplish anything without a Democratic Congress?

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
Okay, President Sanders is still going to need their votes. Fundraising for them is one way to ensure he gets them.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Anthony Resnick
Fundraising for the party builds allies. And you need allies to accomplish anything. Even a revolution.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Jonathan Mann
Wait, so you don’t think a President Sanders would even have support from Democrats in Congress?

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
But Obama is only doing that because Republicans control Congress.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Anthony Resnick
Sure! But like, a Sanders agenda will need those $25K a plate people too if it is going to make it through Congress.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Jonathan Mann
In what world does President Sanders accomplish his agenda with a Dem Congress that doesn’t want to help?

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted STREEVER
Err, the handful of conservative Dems who were a challenge for Obama aren’t there anymore.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
And so, spurning the party in fundraising will somehow make them more amenable to working with him?

amelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Anthony Resnick
Unpopular opinion: You either have radically clean government or you have major policy change. You can’t get both.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 1h1 hour ago
I think one of Obama’s great weaknesses is he hasn’t been the best party leader—he has neglected building up the Democratic Party.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 1h1 hour ago
If Sanders wants to go the same route, that is his prerogative, but it will end badly.

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[Owzers]

is the reasonable abortion view now to want it banned but only jail the abortion provider? Cruz has got to love this, with the media's help.

 

[Y2Kev]

Yeah I mean if you buy drugs you're okay and only the drug dealer goes to jail

????

 

[Officerrob]

Yeah I mean if you buy drugs you're okay and only the drug dealer goes to jail

????

Same logic with prostitution

 

[Slayven]

Lawd, can we change the Constitution so that Canadians can run for President. Someone open a window and get me a fainting couch. Jesus is a biscuit, let hims sop me up.

Planking in 2016? Canadians really do get things 5 years late

 

[User 463088]

Planking in 2016? Canadians really do get things 5 years late

Don't be shady, I just want to be that table

 

[Cat]

I think assuming that the GOP just has one plan is an error at this point. Part of the point of this cycle is that the establishment couldn't even pick their favorite establishment candidate even when the consequence was letting Trump win a bunch of states where winnowing the field earlier would have made his life much harder.

The coalition is so fractured that the establishment isn't even working with one mind any more. I think some people are earnestly planning for that brokered convention while others are already trying to find a way to let Trump win gracefully.

That makes sense.

My precinct is older and Asian. Turnout was strong but not outrageous. The way the polling worked, if you wanted to vote you had to be there at 1 PM or there was no guarantee that you would get to vote, as once everyone there finished voting then the poll would close and they would move on to other business. We definitely didn't get to standing room only and the poll reportedly closed kinda early, upsetting latecomers.

There were a lot of Bernie supporters (judging by stickers), of all demographics. But there were a lot of Clinton supporters too and she won my district by a small margin (reportedly by around a dozen votes out of around 1k cast if the numbers reported unofficially are accurate).

Apparently this is completely not what happened in other precincts so YMMV.

Also of note, this is Rep. Mark Takai's home precinct, he was there to support Clinton. Apparently the Sanders supporters are threatening to primary him because of that support (he is a superdelegate), and the guy that they are gonna run against him is some dude who apparently isn't even from Hawaii.

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it. Primarying the superdelegate rep against someone who doesn't live there seems like a bad strategy.

 

[User 463088]

That makes sense.



Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it. Primarying the superdelegate rep against someone who doesn't live there seems like a bad strategy.

Let's be clear:

This desire to primary everyone who doesn't feel the Bern isn't strategy...it's impotent rage.

 

[User 406]

Yeah I mean if you buy drugs you're okay and only the drug dealer goes to jail

????

Same logic with prostitution

And at this point, copyright infringement.

But really, the whole issue of the "guilt" of the woman having the abortion has been a kind of third rail for the anti-abortion folks all along. They're hot to see abortion providers punished, but they won't push for the women who get them to be thrown in jail. Part of it may be enough savvy to realize that it would really set their cause back, but I also think there's a certain hypocrisy there where they understand at some level that they or someone they care about may someday "need" one. There's been literature about anti-abortion women who have had abortions who justify their stance by claiming that their need was real, but everyone else is wrong to do it. There's a lot of class and race based sexism packed in there.

Let's be clear:

This desire to primary everyone who doesn't feel the Bern isn't strategy...it's impotent rage.

Yep.

And since it's impotent, there's really no need to get really worked up over it.

Let 'em blow off some steam, and wait until it's time to unify. We're all on the same side here.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 3m3 minutes ago
Folks have a habit of treating parties and organizations as monolithic when they really aren't.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 4m4 minutes ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
I don't think Sanders' should "acquiesce" to the DNC. I do think he should build allies and influence within it.

7/11 truther
‏@austinjmichaels
@jbouie I think here's our fundamental disagreement. Best thing Sanders could do is blow up the Dem Party as it currently exists

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 4m4 minutes ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
I want you to explain how leftists—a distinct ideological minority—attain anything without coalition politics?

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[Sir_Crocodile]

I'm assuming that by "taking corporate money" we're referring to taking donations from people who work at... corporations...?

Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team Hillary, and then Team Hillary goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

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Magic.. That's the answer.

Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team Hillary, and then Team Hillary goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.

Matt Damon.. Matt Damon

 

[NeoXChaos]

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2m2 minutes ago
It has entry points at every level of government—county, city, state—and critically, few people participate at those levels.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 3m3 minutes ago
And while the Democratic Party is a deeply flawed, compromised institution, it also—in the fashion of American parties—is highly porous.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 3m3 minutes ago
Electoral politics are not the sine qua non of making change but they are a large and important part of it.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 7m7 minutes ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted 7/11 truther
The Democratic establishment is a collection of groups and people with varied and cross-cutting interests.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 1m1 minute ago
You're much more likely to change a party's direction by becoming an indispensable part of it than by withdrawing from it entirely.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 1m1 minute ago
When you win elections for the party and expand participation, you also win influence.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 3m3 minutes ago
20 of their friends & 20 of theirs can win local elections in most places.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 4m4 minutes ago
In most places in this country, you and twenty of your friends can take over a local party organization.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 5m5 minutes ago
Christ people, politics is *hard*. To even come close to power, you have to organize, compromise, and even acquiesce.

https://twitter.com/jbouie

 

[Outdoor Miner]

7/11 truther
‏@austinjmichaels
@jbouie I think here's our fundamental disagreement. Best thing Sanders could do is blow up the Dem Party as it currently exists

*sigh*

 

[Giant Panda]

Found a fun game that the number-crazy people might want to give a whack at.

Guess the Correlation

All you [pseudo] statisticians better be high performers

I got to 178. It seemed to me the higher the correlation the easier it was to have guessed the correlation. On the other hand telling the difference between a .1, .2, and .3 was hard.

 

[Macho Madness]

@grizzmiss Q-Pac has tended to understate Clinton margins. Undershot her by 8 in OH, 5 in FL, 3 in IA (tho really 6 in IA w/o reallocation)

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/715520209763897344

 

[Y2Kev]

That's what I said. Quinn is obviously funded by tad devines slush fund.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

@ppppolls
Our new Wisconsin poll for VoteVets finds Bernie Sanders leading Hillary Clinton 49-43 in the state:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...ose-va-privatization-issue-hurts-johnson.html

 

[CCS]

I got to 178. It seemed to me the higher the correlation the easier it was to have guessed the correlation. On the other hand telling the difference between a .1, .2, and .3 was hard.

I found the same thing. Got to 82, as you say it was when I got a run of low correlations that I ran into trouble.

 

[User 463088]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...ose-va-privatization-issue-hurts-johnson.html

That's not bad at all. Remember Bernie doesn't get brownie points for barely winning. Any state in which he wins but doesn't meet his targets is a win for Hillary. Say he nets 5 delegates from the state. Great. But now there are 86 fewer delegates on the table.

 

[Holmes]

Oh boy. New York looks to be going down the same road as South Carolina where everyone thought "maybe Sanders will only lose by less than 20%!"

 

[NeoXChaos]

Oh boy. New York looks to be going down the same road as South Carolina where everyone thought "maybe Sanders will only lose by less than 20%!"

it will be another SC.

 

[User 463088]

Oh boy. New York looks to be going down the same road as South Carolina where everyone thought "maybe Sanders will only lose by less than 20%!"

Actually, I think she'll win by less than 20%. I think 12-15% is the best we can hope for. While she was a sitting Senator, she only beat Obama by 15. I don't see her doing that much better this time.

 

[superdeluxe]

Oh boy. New York looks to be going down the same road as South Carolina where everyone thought "maybe Sanders will only lose by less than 20%!"

New data coming out?

 

[User 463088]

New data coming out?

Just the Qunnipiac poll.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Actually, I think she'll win by less than 20%. I think 12-15% is the best we can hope for. While she was a sitting Senator, she only beat Obama by 15. I don't see her doing that much better this time.

She has the AA vote this time...... she actually won by 18.

 

[superdeluxe]

Actually, I think she'll win by less than 20%. I think 12-15% is the best we can hope for. While she was a sitting Senator, she only beat Obama by 15. I don't see her doing that much better this time.

True, but I'm sure Obama got a big share of the minority vote..while now Clinton will get that majority.

 

[Holmes]

Actually, I think she'll win by less than 20%. I think 12-15% is the best we can hope for. While she was a sitting Senator, she only beat Obama by 15. I don't see her doing that much better this time.

It was 58-40 in 2008.

 

[superdeluxe]

It was 58-40 in 2008.

Any voters that Clinton or Obama got in 08 that Sanders will get now?

 

[Y2Kev]

Well sanders will win more of the white vote obviously.

 

[Holmes]

Any voters that Clinton or Obama got in 08 that Sanders will get now?

Probably in some upstate areas, and maybe in some burbs. She'll get a lot more non-white support in the city to compensate.

 

[superdeluxe]

Well sanders will win more of the white vote obviously.

I wonder if this will follow Ohio, where Clinton actually won whites overall compared to Sanders, even if it is a small margin.

 

[Macho Madness]

Wisconsin

 

[sc0la]

Yeah I mean if you buy drugs you're okay and only the drug dealer goes to jail

????

In this world view the women (and fetus) are helpless victims of the perpetrators of the crime.

Bonus! This has the mysoginist side perk of implying a woman can't possibly give informed consent or have agency to decide to have an abortion in the first place. Women thinking for themselves? What's next in Obama's America?!

 

[superdeluxe]

Wisconsin

Open Primary? glad we have closed primaries coming up.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team Hillary, and then Team Hillary goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.

Just popping in to use this to exemplify a criticism of this community: instead of simply saying problems are overstated or poorly understood (money in politics), people feel the need to balance the argument with those on one far end (purity test) by going to the other (dismissing the problem) instead of meeting in the middle where you know the truth usually lies. This is especially bad when it involves Democrats, where criticism is discounted because the other side is so much worse.

Some people here very much recognize the nuance, much more than I do, but the hivemind (one I agree with the majority of the time) overwhelms it. It's more like-minded people agreeing than discussion.

 

[Holmes]

I wonder if this will follow Ohio, where Clinton actually won whites overall compared to Sanders, even if it is a small margin.

She won whites in Ohio because independents opted for the Republican primary instead so they could vote for Kasich/against Trump. Independents are not even voting in the NY primary.