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But she's going to lose a non-zero portion of the white vote this time. I hope I'm wrong. I just think expecting her to get a 25 point win is unrealistic. I could be wrong, though.
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But she's going to lose a non-zero portion of the white vote this time. I hope I'm wrong. I just think expecting her to get a 25 point win is unrealistic. I could be wrong, though.
Macho Madness
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Ask Neo he has the scoop
I need the scoop bro. Bros love scoops.
Edit: I got the scoop.
User 463088
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The smart thing about forcing Bernie to continue to compete in Wisconsin is that he can't spend time in New York. The longer you keep him out of New York, the better the margins. The longer he has to focus on New York, the less time he has for the April 26th states.
Make him blow as much money as possible. Don't give him a single media cycle. Repeat until you win.
(And my bad for getting the 2008 NY margins wrong.
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Make him blow as much money as possible. Don't give him a single media cycle. Repeat until you win.
(And my bad for getting the 2008 NY margins wrong.
)Macho Madness
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Hillary said she was going back to Wisconsin this weekend.
Did I miss why we had our "hate Bernie for not already committing to party unity at the end of March" circlejerk?
I mean, maybe I'm a little more optimistic, but until Sanders decides to publicly state that he's staying in the race and trying to win because "look what happened to Robert Kennedy!" - I think everyone can sort of calm the fuck down.
Gods, I wish 2008 had happened with social media the way it is. People would have had full on meltdowns for like 5 months and then everything would have been normal and people would not have been able to handle it, lol.
I mean, maybe I'm a little more optimistic, but until Sanders decides to publicly state that he's staying in the race and trying to win because "look what happened to Robert Kennedy!" - I think everyone can sort of calm the fuck down.
Gods, I wish 2008 had happened with social media the way it is. People would have had full on meltdowns for like 5 months and then everything would have been normal and people would not have been able to handle it, lol.
Aaron Strife
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I remember when Hillary said that me and my friends started speculating that she took out a hit on Obama.Did I miss why we had our "hate Bernie for not already committing to party unity at the end of March" circlejerk?
I mean, maybe I'm a little more optimistic, but until Sanders decides to publicly state that he's staying in the race and trying to win because "look what happened to Robert Kennedy!" - I think everyone can sort of calm the fuck down.
Gods, I wish 2008 had happened with social media the way it is. People would have had full on meltdowns for like 5 months and then everything would have been normal and people would not have been able to handle it, lol.
Oh to be 16 and dumb. I probably would have been a hardcore BernieBro as opposed to merely a jaded supporter.
br0ken_shad0w
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Did I miss why we had our "hate Bernie for not already committing to party unity at the end of March" circlejerk?
I mean, maybe I'm a little more optimistic, but until Sanders decides to publicly state that he's staying in the race and trying to win because "look what happened to Robert Kennedy!" - I think everyone can sort of calm the fuck down.
Gods, I wish 2008 had happened with social media the way it is. People would have had full on meltdowns for like 5 months and then everything would have been normal and people would not have been able to handle it, lol.
I just wish we could get to GE mode already. 2008 was a lot more vicious, but at the end of the day Hillary still did her part for Obama.
gutter_trash
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The smart thing about forcing Bernie to continue to compete in Wisconsin is that he can't spend time in New York. The longer you keep him out of New York, the better the margins. The longer he has to focus on New York, the less time he has for the April 26th states.
Make him blow as much money as possible. Don't give him a single media cycle. Repeat until you win.
(And my bad for getting the 2008 NY margins wrong.
the long drawn out April schedule really kills his short term momentum.
Bernie thrives on generating bumps post victories while he suffers from having the next ''real'' contest dragged out 3 weeks away
who gives a shit about Chenney's Wyoming
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I mean, the DNC is no shining beacon of effectiveness, but the RNC is a whole other level of shitfuckery.
User 463088
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Did I miss why we had our "hate Bernie for not already committing to party unity at the end of March" circlejerk?
I mean, maybe I'm a little more optimistic, but until Sanders decides to publicly state that he's staying in the race and trying to win because "look what happened to Robert Kennedy!" - I think everyone can sort of calm the fuck down.
Gods, I wish 2008 had happened with social media the way it is. People would have had full on meltdowns for like 5 months and then everything would have been normal and people would not have been able to handle it, lol.
It's not about party unity, although I cannot recall a time in 2008 when either President Obama or Hillary didn't immediately say they would support the other in the General. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember hearing it.
The "hate" is coming from Bernie refusing to say he'll support down ballot Democrats. The question wasn't just if he loses, but was just in general would he turn his support down ballot as well. The answer should have been yes. for no reason other than optics.
And the Kennedy comment was gross in 2008.
To be fair, the non-Obama DNC is basically known for its ability to repeatedly fuck up elections on a regular basis. Leave it this way, even with the fiery shitshow that is the GOP, we're still not sure DWS is a better chairman than Preibus. I'm still not going to believe in a competent DNC until we win an election that we normally shouldn't.
Clinton didn't end up actually bringing up the "support the nominee" bit until May, when exit polling started confirming that a lot of Clinton voters were planning to vote for McCain. (The exit poll in WV was that 36% of Clinton supporters in WV would vote for Obama. Keep that in mind when you worry about Sanders supporters currently.)
The Kennedy comment came near the end of May during the primary (the part that makes me mad about the Kennedy comment is that the next day, Obama gave her the benefit of the doubt on the comment, but then the Clintons blamed Obama's team for "pulling the quote out of context").
Hell it's not even April yet.
I'm not too terribly worried about anything any of them say until like June. History has shown that people posture and talk and etc etc until it actually matters, and then they coalesce. Sir_Crocodile
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Actually I just saw an opportunity for a Team America joke.
But whatever floats your boat.
Poodlestrike
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I keep saying, Anti-Establishment == Both Parties Are The Same. It's bullshit and it should be called out as such.
Aaron Strife
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Can't wait for the endless bitching that the DNC stole the election for Hillary by using superdelegates, even if she ends up with a lead of 400-500 pledged delegates as Nate mentioned the other day.
Atomic Playboy
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Yes, let's break out old Tad's resume and take a gander... What Presidential campaigns has Tad worked for in some measurable capacity? Carter '80 (lost), Mondale '84 (lost), Dukakis '88 (lost), Kerrey '92 (lost nomination to Clinton), Gore '00 (lost), Kerry '04 (lost)...
Maybe Sanders should have hired someone a little less experienced.
Bernie will have exactly three weeks after WI to campaign in NY. March fundraising looking good already at 40 million more and looking like a late push to out raise his February total. So the Brooklynite campaign Bernie will be running in NY should be well funded.
Yep Hills is gross
Yep Hills is gross
Wait, is that a legitimate possibility? A 400 delegate lead? Will that primarily occur in April 26th?
Aaron Strife
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Huge delegate gains in NY, CA, MD, PA, and NJ. By far the five richest delegate states remaining, and Nate said if she won them by the margins polls are currently predicting she could double her current lead.
Hooooly shieeeeeeet!
maabus1999
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2 weeks. April 19th.
And he can spend a ton of money like he did in SC, and I doubt he'll move the numbers really as NY is completely stacked against him. No independents at all, and any independents who wanted to register as Dem to vote in the primary had to do so by October before Bernie was really on fire. Also Hillary is well liked in the state among registered Democrats, has a huge ground game in place, and one of Bernie's biggest platforms, anti-Wall Street, is a center piece of the NY economy, so it will be the toughest crowd to convince IMO.
gutter_trash
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Bill is loved in NY.
Hillary can just parachute Bill there while she goes campaign elsewhere.
Plus she has Governor Cuomo on her side, so he can be put in Albany doing his thing
Hillary can just parachute Bill there while she goes campaign elsewhere.
Plus she has Governor Cuomo on her side, so he can be put in Albany doing his thing
Box of Kittens
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Yes, Wisconsin is an open primary.
You don't even have to reveal which primary you intend to vote in. They hand you a ballot with both parties on it and instruct you to only fill it out for one party. Whenever I was there it was inevitable that someone wouldn't listen, the machine would reject the ballot for having both parties filled out, and the poll workers would have to give them a new ballot and explain again that they can only vote in one primary.
At least, that's the way it worked when I lived there, which wasn't that long ago.
Elaugaufein
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You are aware that with the singular exception of 92 that evaluation would have applied to every Democratic strategist who participated in any of those elections (and not Obama's campaign in 08) right?
Butts-a-plenty
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The revolution cannot be stopped.
were there complaints of caucuses in the past like in 2008?
-IA is probably the only state that will have a caucus next time.
Tomorrow Hillary is stumping nearbyish in Syracuse. I kinda want to snapchat it but I'll probably miss it entirely. I thought Bernie would be stumping here first since I figure he'd perform better in central/upstate but eh, guess his eyes are still on Wisconsin at this point.
User 463088
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Unless states step up to pay for a primary, cock uses won't go away.
can the party fund the states primaries?
Officerrob
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Two weeks
Macho Madness
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You are as good at telling Time as Bernie is with financial markets ^_^
superdeluxe
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It is already happening. Especially out here (In Washington)
Cesare Borgia
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Sanders hasn't done anything as egregious as Hillary's spring 08 actions/comments. My problem with him is the continued milking of supporter's money, and his supporter's ugly delusions/slandering of Hillary Clinton.
Box of Kittens
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I'm not going to get outraged at stupid comments Sanders makes because '08 taught me that the losing side in a drawn-out primary like this starts making a lot of stupid comments (as an Obama supporter back then, I was downright angry with Clinton).
What I think is significant about his comments signaling a lack of commitment to helping downballot is that it just confirms what BS the whole "political revolution" is. If it starts and ends with electing the president plus some lip service to the idea that young people should vote in midterms then it's not a revolution at all.
This isn't really specific to Sanders, but the left in this country is far too obsessed with the presidency over all else. If people want to move the Democratic Party to the left they need to start by getting candidates who are further to the left running for downballot races, all the way to the local level. They need to do likewise with positions internal to the party, again down to the local level. Finally, if people want to move the USA as a whole to the left, the way to do it is from within the Democratic Party, since third parties and independents aren't getting anything done with the way elections work in this country.
What I think is significant about his comments signaling a lack of commitment to helping downballot is that it just confirms what BS the whole "political revolution" is. If it starts and ends with electing the president plus some lip service to the idea that young people should vote in midterms then it's not a revolution at all.
This isn't really specific to Sanders, but the left in this country is far too obsessed with the presidency over all else. If people want to move the Democratic Party to the left they need to start by getting candidates who are further to the left running for downballot races, all the way to the local level. They need to do likewise with positions internal to the party, again down to the local level. Finally, if people want to move the USA as a whole to the left, the way to do it is from within the Democratic Party, since third parties and independents aren't getting anything done with the way elections work in this country.
Atomic Playboy
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Well yeah, but those aren't results that you should point to as a proven record of "experience." The only Democratic successes in 36 years have this guy's fingerprints nowhere near them, but he's involved in literally every single failure (soon to include Sanders)? It's time to stop giving this man work advising Democratic Presidential campaigns.
Macho Madness
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Tell them that supers are in exchange for open primaries and caucuses.
One of your problems with him is that people who are not him, online behave like people online tend to?
superdeluxe
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That is pretty much my thought, when a precinct in Rainier Valley is overwhelmingly white, when the demo is largely AA. That should tell you everything you need to know
superdeluxe
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Right? Even if you say..ok lets award supers on states which the candidates won, Clinton leads there as well.
Suikoguy
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Thanks for sharing that, always interested in some data on caucus turnout.
I knew it was bad, but holy shit.
Macho Madness
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I see that Maddow interview last night ruffled some feathers.
Let's ruffle them a little more: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor...dit_thank_you_so_much_for_your_support_today/
Let's ruffle them a little more: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor...dit_thank_you_so_much_for_your_support_today/
Atomic Playboy
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My mother's girlfriend invoked this line of reasoning the other day. She wasn't quite so delusional, but she was definitely playing up the "Super delegates will vote for Bernie and he'll win" line of reasoning. I had to gently remind her that the Super delegates have never risen as a monolithic group and overridden the pledged delegate totals, and Hillary leads pledged delegates by several hundred. She seemed somewhat resigned to failure after that, but she's older, so she doesn't get as emotionally invested as younger people going through their first big election. The delusion from younger Sanders supporters is starting to turn into vitriol against Clinton, and that's sad to see, since politically they are extremely close (certainly closer than any Republican competitor).
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