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[East Lake]

I asked for evidence that makes her this corrupt person, not evidence that the system has issues. The issue at hand is that she is demonized as uniquely vilely corrupt and that is not backed up by evidence.

Of course the system has issues, that's besides the point though when talking specifically about Clinton, given that the accusations of her corruptness aren't she's part of a corrupt system but are that she's personally corrupt and abnormally so.

She is part of the same system Obama is and yet he's not getting the same accusations.

You mean Obama's not being criticized for the same thing now, or back then, or by the same people? Is that a big deal or something. There are people who are critical of Obama for being corrupt. If you want Clinton specific things, you might find these articles interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/w...e-haiti-wasnt-broken.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-haiti-let-them-live-3-day/
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/01/11/subsidizing-starvation/

Both WaPo and Huffpost deleted their Bill Clinton apologizing for Haiti articles. It's a conspiracy!

 

[VendettaRed07]

Mario 64 at times is one of the goddamn loneliest games in existence. That level where you raise and lower the water levels makes me feel like the last human being on Earth.

This post speaks to me

 

[A Black Falcon]

I see this too. A lot of my Facebook friends that share the most vile hit pieces against Hillary also share every positive thing about Obama. I don't see how it's possible to have such a negative opinion of hillary (for lefty reasons) and simultaneously love everything Obama does.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/29/11325962/hillary-male-voters-trump-gender

Gender has to be part of the explanation, I think.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

That trend was before multiple poor days for the Trump campaign, and the Trump campaign not offering a distraction for the first time this cycle

His 9 month campaign has been poor days other than when he wins states. Hasn't stopped him yet. This is just the stuff I can remember.

Mexican rapists
Megyn Kelly's blood
Carly Fiorina's face
Planned parenthood does some wonderful things
9/11 was Bush's fault (two different times)
Carson is sick like a child molester
Muslim ban
Trump University
Romney's speech
KKK
Violence at rallies

I know for a fact there's plenty more but I can't remember them all anymore because they occur at least once a week.

 

[Oltsu]

How did Hillary do that well internationally. I'm going to go with name rec, but I said damn.

Anecdotal but I'd say 85% of the people here have absolutely no idea who bernie sanders is.

And out of the people who do know only a minority has ever tried looking into differences between clinton and sanders.

Most people see short headlines about how americans have gone crazy due to Trump and that's about it. On a good day you might get pics of Trump and Clinton side by side coupled with some random headline.

But the average person wont know anything about the primary process and wont think beyond "I like the candidate from the blue team more". On the day of the GE you might have some people looking into things more in depth. Or more realistically, the day after the GE when the big headlines are about the results.

Of course the poll also included Britain so the situation is probably a bit different there. But I'm coming from a finnish perspective.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

His 9 month campaign has been poor days other than when he wins states. Hasn't stopped him yet. This is just the stuff I can remember.

Mexican rapists
Megyn Kelly's blood
Carly Fiorina's face
Planned parenthood does some wonderful things
9/11 was Bush's fault (two different times)
Carson is sick like a child molester
Muslim ban
Trump University
Romney's speech
KKK
Violence at rallies

I know for a fact there's plenty more but I can't remember them all anymore because they occur at least once a week.

A huge one was the whole McCain and torture thing really early on. Once I saw him survive that within the party I knew Trump was golden.

 

[CCS]

Lost isn't as bad as Game of Thrones.

Ugh.

Are they worse than Lord of the Rings? Cause, that stuff is just awful too.

Ya, I said it. COME AT ME BROS.

You're dead to me.

 

[BanGy.nz]

A huge one was the whole McCain and torture thing really early on. Once I saw him survive that within the party I knew Trump was golden.

Thousands of muslims in New Jersey cheered as the twin towers fell is my favourite Trump lie.

 

[Clefargle]

What's really important is that you hate Lord of The Rings.
Brofist.

What is this new devilry?

 

[disastermouse]

I asked for evidence that makes her this corrupt person, not evidence that the system has issues. The issue at hand is that she is demonized as uniquely vilely corrupt and that is not backed up by evidence.

Of course the system has issues, that's besides the point though when talking specifically about Clinton, given that the accusations of her corruptness aren't she's part of a corrupt system but are that she's personally corrupt and abnormally so.

She is part of the same system Obama is and yet he's not getting the same accusations.

The Kazhakstan urianium deal doesn't seem like a problem for you?

It's not that she's not corrupt, it's that mere investigative reporting isn't enough to get to the bottom of what she's been involved in. You'd need government investigative power to get at specifics.

Also, corruption in and of itself doesn't bother me too much if it's used for my benefit or for the benefit of working class people. But in Hillary's case, it isn't wielded for greater benefit for the working class or wage workers in general.

 

[thepotatoman]

Undertale is great, play it. Funny too

Spoiler

still haven't beaten it ;_;

But Undertale's ending is one of the best parts of Undertale.

 

[Abinash117]

Well I'll set aside whatever Berniebro arguments are out there about how she's uniquely corrupt, but you did ask for evidence. The second paper is specifically about money in politics. The point is that Clinton will operate within a corrupt system, and she has to play the game to get anything done. That's pragmatism, but it shouldn't seen for anything other than what it is and she has to balance between her voters and corporate interests.

You are arguing like an conspiracy theorist by implying things and without stating anything. You can't give link to a paper that confirmations what many already think in terms of money in politics and have that imply that Hilary is corrupt without really providing actual, and have people read all that. I'm sorry but not only is that lazy, but completely retarded. If you are going provide evidence that she is corrupt than by all means actually do that.

 

[Chichikov]

What is this new devilry?

Hello there euphemism, can I interest you in a discussion about the uncomfortable racial themes and colonial apologetics in Lord of The Rings or should I just paste some of the terrible poetry that Tolkien felt obliged to put in his books?

Spoiler

in truth, it's mostly about how dry and boring I find his prose.

 

[CCS]

The good thing about spells with no real news it allows us to find out who has no taste in classic literature

 

[User 463088]

You're dead to me.

You love me. If I'm dead to you, that makes you a necrophiliac. So get yourself right with Jesus. .


So, my June thread is coming up. It's going to be Drag Race themed. I'm giving everyone drag personas.

Hillary=Ben Ghazi (Drag king for ultimate fuckary)
Bernie= Socialisa Sanders
Trump=Anita Wall
Cruz=Cinca de Chica
Kasich= Bey'Sich

 

[Chichikov]

The good thing about spells with no real news it allows us to find out who has no taste in classic literature

LOL at calling Lord of The Rings classic literature.

Spoiler

I feel like we need a primary or another Cruz sex scandal or poligaf will tear itself apart!

 

[CCS]

You love me. If I'm dead to you, that makes you a necrophiliac. So get yourself right with Jesus. .


So, my June thread is coming up. It's going to be Drag Race themed. I'm giving everyone drag personas.

Hillary=Ben Ghazi (Drag king for ultimate fuckary)
Bernie= Socialisa Sanders
Donald "All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me" Trump=Anita Wall
Cruz=Cinca de Chica
Kasich= Bey'Sich

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSS

Also, me and Jesus have an understanding

LOL at calling Lord of The Ring classic literature.

Please leave your wrong beliefs at the door.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The Kazhakstan urianium deal doesn't seem like a problem for you?

It's not that she's not corrupt, it's that mere investigative reporting isn't enough to get to the bottom of what she's been involved in. You'd need government investigative power to get at specifics.

Also, corruption in and of itself doesn't bother me too much if it's used for my benefit or for the benefit of working class people. But in Hillary's case, it isn't wielded for greater benefit for the working class or wage workers in general.

You realize this comes off as "she's so corrupt that we can't find evidence that she's truly corrupt so we need a government inquisition, that's how corrupt she is", conspiracy stuff right?

I'm not saying she has clean hands, no politician does, Obama fucks up, Sanders fucks up, Trudeau fucks up, Jack Layton fucks up, everyone fucks up. But the level of attack against Clinton, who has a strong legislation record and is similar to Sanders on many things and is to the left of him on guns, in terms of "corruption" accusations are astronomically out of sync with her record.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Adam doesn't like Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, pizza or beer... This is honestly making me question my support for Hillary. Come on man! It's like you hate joy.

 

[CCS]

Adam doesn't like Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, pizza or beer... This is honestly making me question my support for Hillary. Come on man! It's like you hate joy.

Adam is living proof that just because you're gay doesn't mean you have good taste

 

[User 463088]

Adam doesn't like Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, pizza or beer... This is honestly making me question my support for Hillary. Come on man! It's like you hate joy.

Game of Thrones is just a bunch of people screwing and killing. I'm down with half of that. Plus, thew show bewbs. Ew. (Kidding). I don't know. My Berniebro was acting like it was going to change my life, but, honestly, I was happier when I found gluten free muffins at Kroger.

Lord of the Rings is trash. I can handle the movies, but the books are pure trash. Like, queen just needed to write and not wax idiotic for sixteen pages on random shit for a pretend world. Come on now. Why use a bunch of big words when a diminutive one will suffice.

Pizza and beer are legit things you can come at me for. I get that it's not normal to not like pizza. But, it's just dough with some canned sauce on it. I ain't a Ninja Turtle. I'm working on the beer thing. But I still love delicious alcohol!

And don't you dare question Queen. After NH, I had a 30 second window where I did, and the next morning a map of Libya was mailed to me. Shit scared me man. She knows. She always knows.

Edit: I also mentioned that Channel 4 documentary for anyone in the UK (or who has a VPN like me) about Trump. It's trash. Not worth watching, although it does show the rest of the world how fucked we are with his candidacy.

 

[Chichikov]

Lord of the Rings is trash. I can handle the movies, but the books are pure trash. Like, queen just needed to write and not wax idiotic for sixteen pages on random shit for a pretend world. Come on now. Why use a bunch of big words when a diminutive one will suffice.

 

[East Lake]

You are arguing like an conspiracy theorist by implying things and without stating anything. You can't give link to a paper that confirmations what many already think in terms of money in politics and have that imply that Hilary is corrupt without really providing actual, and have people read all that. I'm sorry but not only is that lazy, but completely retarded. If you are going provide evidence that she is corrupt than by all means actually do that.

If you're going to call what I'm doing retarded at least fix your typos. If you placed Ted Cruz into my post instead of Hillary everyone would be nodding their heads in agreement.

I even gave links where the Clintons basically starved Haiti's economy!

 

[CCS]

Lord of the Rings is trash. I can handle the movies, but the books are pure trash. Like, queen just needed to write and not wax idiotic for sixteen pages on random shit for a pretend world. Come on now. Why use a bunch of big words when a diminutive one will suffice.

Read the Silmarillion pls.

 

[HK-47]

I used to like adam.

 

[Chichikov]

Read the Silmarillion pls.

Okay so I don't like Lord of The Rings, but I get why people like that, but seriously, why would anyone recommend the Silmarillion to anyone who is not a hardcore Tolkien fan?
That shit is so boring and dry it makes Lord of The Rings looks like...ummm... something that is not super boring and dry?

 

[CCS]

Okay so I don't like Lord of The Rings, but I get why people like that, but seriously, why would anyone recommend the Silmarillion to anyone who is not a hardcore Tolkien fan?
That shit is so boring and dry it makes Lord of The Rings looks like...ummm... something that is not super boring and dry?

I don't actually think anyone who doesn't like Lord of the Rings should read the Silmarillion, Adam just deserves to suffer for his sins

 

[User 463088]

Read the Silmarillion pls.

I'm currently reading Katie Price's autobiography, and I can only handle one piece of hard literature at a time.

I used to like adam.

And now you love him?

 

[Black Mamba]

I'm fairly certain Chichikov hates everything. Like, I've never seen him compliment any movie, show, game, book, etc. It's his shtick!

But while we're mentioning popular things we hate, I hate coffee. Everyone thinks it's weird. And stranger still, I do enjoy most coffee flavored things like ice cream or tiramisu. I can even drink an ice blended coffee. But hot coffee? How do people like this? Black, cream, milk, Sugar. It don't matter. It always gross.

And If I hear one more person say "what? You don't like coffee???" I swear there will be hell to pay.

Of course someone here will now so it.

 

[CCS]

You know what I hate? Chocolate. It is more disgusting than Ted Cruz and I have even less desire to put it in my mouth.

 

[User 463088]

I'm fairly certain Chichikov hates everything. Like, I've never seen him compliment any movie, show, game, book, etc. It's his shtick!

But while we're mentioning popular things we hate, I hate coffee. Everyone thinks it's weird. And stranger still, I do enjoy most coffee flavored things like ice cream or tiramisu. I can even drink an ice blended coffee. But hot coffee? How do people like this? Black, cream, milk, Sugar. It don't matter. It always gross.

And If I hear one more person say "what? You don't like coffee???" I swear there will be hell to pay.

Of course someone here will now so it.

I don't like coffee either. I don't like any hot beverage. Drinks should be cold. Food should be hot. Hot drinks are not okay.

My favorite flavor is raspberry. Raspberry jam. Raspberry ice cream. Raspberry sherbet....but I can't stand raspberries.

You know what I hate? Chocolate. It is more disgusting than Ted Cruz and I have even less desire to put it in my mouth.

Canbury's Dairy Milk and a Honeycomb Yorkie bar brah.

 

[HK-47]

I'm currently reading Katie Price's autobiography, and I can only handle one piece of hard literature at a time.



And now you love him?

Maybe tomorrow. Not today though.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Adam is living proof that just because you're gay doesn't mean you have good taste

If that's what you were after, I could have just pointed you in the direction of my mother. Elderly lesbians have the worst taste in fashion, movies, music, food... basically everything. There's a difference between being old and out of touch and young and joyless. It makes me sad to see someone who can't understand the glory of eating pizza, drinking beer and binging on Game of Thrones.

But if you're talking about the Lord of the Rings books, I completely agree. Holy shit are those dense tomes of nothing. The first book was like "hey, maybe something will happen," and the second book was like "did something happen yet?", and the third book was like "hey, didn't I have some trigonometry homework? No? Well maybe I should try inventing a new proof because spending my free time doing mathematics is better than trying to trudge through this shit." But the movies are so awesome they justify the existence of terrible literature. Shots fired Tolkien-GAF.

 

[CCS]

Y'all a bunch of godless heathens.

 

[Abinash117]

If you're going to call what I'm doing retarded at least fix your typos. If you placed Ted Cruz into my post instead of Hillary everyone would be nodding their heads in agreement.

I even gave links where the Clintons basically starved Haiti's economy!

Oh please don't play that woes me game and the "you're grammer sucks" argument. If you had evidence of Hillary's corruption you would have posted a link about it; you didn't and instead linked two articles about why money in politics is bad and what role they play. I don't doubt that Hillary must have done something that seems like corruption to many, but if you going provided evidence don't do it in an around about way. It is ridiculous that many people try to say someone is doing something bad or whatever, but don't provide anything to support their claims.

 

[Black Mamba]

I don't like coffee either. I don't like any hot beverage. Drinks should be cold. Food should be hot. Hot drinks are not okay.

My favorite flavor is raspberry. Raspberry jam. Raspberry ice cream. Raspberry sherbet....but I can't stand raspberries.



Canbury's Dairy Milk and a Honeycomb Yorkie bar brah.

I'm similar with blueberries. Love the muffins, make pancakes. I can eat them plain if need be, unlike coffee, but I don't like to do so.


I love chocolate. As I get older I like it darker. Can barely stand milk chocolate by itself anymore.

Oh and hot chocolate is amazing.

 

[royalan]

Oh please don't play that woes me game and the "you're grammer sucks" argument. If you had evidence of Hillary's corruption you would have posted a link about it; you didn't and instead linked two articles about why money in politics is bad and what role they play. I don't doubt that Hillary must have done something that seems like corruption to many, but if you going provided evidence don't do it in an around about way. It is ridiculous that many people try to say someone is doing something bad or whatever, but don't provide anything to support their claims.

Yep.

Ask for concrete evidence or supported legislation that demonstrates Hillary is the Queen of Corruption, and the arguments usually break down into a game of six degrees of separation or, "Well, don't you just feel that she is?"

 

[User 463088]

I'm similar with blueberries. Love the muffins, make pancakes. I can eat them plain if need be, unlike coffee, but I don't like to do so.


I love chocolate. As I get older I like it darker. Can barely stand milk chocolate by itself anymore.

You probably don't have an Aldi near you, but they import German chocolate. I think it's some of the same stuff they have at Trader Joe's. I get the 80% cacao and its on point. I also love dark chocolate and sea salt squares from Godiva. That bit of salt with the dark chocolate? Yaaaaassss

 

[disastermouse]

Oh please don't play that woes me game and the "you're grammer sucks" argument. If you had evidence of Hillary's corruption you would have posted a link about it; you didn't and instead linked two articles about why money in politics is bad and what role they play. I don't doubt that Hillary must have done something that seems like corruption to many, but if you going provided evidence don't do it in an around about way. It is ridiculous that many people try to say someone is doing something bad or whatever, but don't provide anything to support their claims.

Again, the evidence required probably also requires an investigative body with subpoena power. Journalists cannot subpoena.

It's disingenuous to say 'you can't find proof' without adding 'because we've buried the proof so deeply that you need a federal investigation to find it.' Any reasonably unbiased person looking at the facts that we do know would likely conclude that Bill and Hillary are dirty as hell.

And again, I say this as someone who doesn't personally even dislike Hillary as a person. I don't think she's evil incarnate. I just won't vote for her.

 

[disastermouse]

You probably don't have an Aldi near you, but they import German chocolate. I think it's some of the same stuff they have at Trader Joe's. I get the 80% cacao and its on point. I also love dark chocolate and sea salt squares from Godiva. That bit of salt with the dark chocolate? Yaaaaassss

Aldi is amazeballs. There's one on the way to my therapist's office (and back, obviously) and every time I go there, I'm like, 'Holy shit, this is what groceries used to cost."

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I don't like coffee either. I don't like any hot beverage. Drinks should be cold. Food should be hot. Hot drinks are not okay.

My favorite flavor is raspberry. Raspberry jam. Raspberry ice cream. Raspberry sherbet....but I can't stand raspberries.

You don't like coffee either? What the hell man? But raspberry flavor... I have a cocktail you would love; the Clover Club. It's advanced and you can't find it anywhere that doesn't already make it, but if you ever find yourself in Portland (Oregon) I will make you the best goddamn cocktail you ever had. I make my own raspberry syrup and everything. Hell, I made it for my wife for Valentine's Day, and I went so far as to make a stencil so I could spray an atomized raspberry syrup heart across the foam of the drink. I will use this exact process to make you love pizza and coffee!

"Dude this is the worst drink I've ever had."
"Yeah, but it's got a heart made out of dough floating awkwardly near the side!"
"Get out of my room."

 

[User 463088]

Again, the evidence required probably also requires an investigative body with subpoena power. Journalists cannot subpoena.

It's disingenuous to say 'you can't find proof' without adding 'because we've buried the proof so deeply that you need a federal investigation to find it.' Any reasonably unbiased person looking at the facts that we do know would likely conclude that Bill and Hillary are dirty as hell.

And again, I say this as someone who doesn't personally even dislike Hillary as a person. I don't think she's evil incarnate. I just won't vote for her.

But all those times when, supposedly, the subpoenas will prove they're dirty as all hell? Nothing ever comes from it. Whitewater? Nothing. Vince Foster? Nothing. Benghazi? Nothing. Freaking Hairgate? Nothing.

 

[East Lake]

Oh please don't play that woes me game and the "you're grammer sucks" argument. If you had evidence of Hillary's corruption you would have posted a link about it; you didn't and instead linked two articles about why money in politics is bad and what role they play. I don't doubt that Hillary must have done something that seems like corruption to many, but if you going provided evidence don't do it in an around about way. It is ridiculous that many people try to say someone is doing something bad or whatever, but don't provide anything to support their claims.

You weren't even finishing your sentences. Conspiracy theory is an upgrade to your posting. And to be clear, I posted two academic studies, and three extra links and you haven't demonstrated that you read any of them. Now's the time to start!

 

[royalan]

Again, the evidence required probably also requires an investigative body with subpoena power. Journalists cannot subpoena.

Like...a House Select Committee, perhaps?

A House Select Committee performing 8 fruitless investigations...maybe?

 

[User 463088]

Aldi is amazeballs. There's one on the way to my therapist's office (and back, obviously) and every time I go there, I'm like, 'Holy shit, this is what groceries used to cost."

I have yet to find something in there that I didn't like. They have great stuff. The fresh mozzarella wrapped in prosciutto is great. They also have macaroni and cheese bites that are freaking amazing.

You don't like coffee either? What the hell man? But raspberry flavor... I have a cocktail you would love; the Clover Club. It's advanced and you can't find it anywhere that doesn't already make it, but if you ever find yourself in Portland (Oregon) I will make you the best goddamn cocktail you ever had. I make my own raspberry syrup and everything. Hell, I made it for my wife for Valentine's Day, and I went so far as to make a stencil so I could spray an atomized raspberry syrup heart across the foam of the drink. I will use this exact process to make you love pizza and coffee!

"Dude this is the worst drink I've ever had."
"Yeah, but it's got a heart made out of dough floating awkwardly near the side!"
"Get out of my room."

I would drink the hell out of that. That sounds amazing. I'm not good at mixing drinks. I throw shit in a glass and drink until I taste colors.

I don't mind iced coffee, but I don't go out of my way to get it. We have a Kureg so once in a while I'll make one, but not often. I don't like hot beverages.

 

[disastermouse]

Like...a House Select Committee, perhaps?

A House Select Committee performing 8 fruitless investigations...maybe?

You're talking about Benghazi, right?

I'm talking about Kazakhstan. (Haiti was awful, but that's a matter neoliberal economics.)

 

[disastermouse]

I have yet to find something in there that I didn't like. They have great stuff. The fresh mozzarella wrapped in prosciutto is great. They also have macaroni and cheese bites that are freaking amazing.



I would drink the hell out of that. That sounds amazing. I'm not good at mixing drinks. I throw shit in a glass and drink until I taste colors.

I almost got the Mac and Cheese bites! I'm dieting at 1650 calories per day, so I doubt I could fit them in and get my protein macros, but once I start on a gain phase, I'll check them out.

The one dud I did try was their version/copy of Totinos Party Pizzas. It tasted very much like a German interpretation of pizza and it was terrible. Not out much money at $.99/each though.

 

[Abinash117]

Again, the evidence required probably also requires an investigative body with subpoena power. Journalists cannot subpoena.

It's disingenuous to say 'you can't find proof' without adding 'because we've buried the proof so deeply that you need a federal investigation to find it.' Any reasonably unbiased person looking at the facts that we do know would likely conclude that Bill and Hillary are dirty as hell.

And again, I say this as someone who doesn't personally even dislike Hillary as a person. I don't think she's evil incarnate. I just won't vote for her.

I didn't say " you can't provide evidence" I'm saying that if you are going to say someone is corrupt than provide some level of evidence(not studies that can apply to nearly everyone, can be intercepted in anyway, or really isn't about her whatsoever) that say she is. You can even make can argument that emailgate makes her look corrupt. I'm positive that many people can show something. You can do it to nearly every politician. You can do it with Trump or Ted and I think people did. So I'm not really looking for an article that basically says she took bribes.

 

[CCS]

There's a place near where I live that does the best pizzas and also alcoholic milkshakes. That shit is so good, if I could I'd eat there all the time.

 

[User 463088]

There's a place near where I live that does the best pizzas and also alcoholic milkshakes. That shit is so good, if I could I'd eat there all the time.

We're so off topic but I make a great alchy milkshake. Chocolate ice cream, dark chocolate liqueur, peanut butter vodka ,a spoonful of natural peanut butter and some chocolate milk.