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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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User 463088
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You can order Dominos from your Echo.
Drunk me found out it's not as easy as you think the other night.
And_Gignac
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Meme magic is real.
Space programs were just dick measuring contests anyway. Better fix things down here first.
So, my extended (black) family just revealed something telling.
Aunt: Can't say I like that old white man running against Hillary.
Me: Really? Why?
Aunt: I be watching him on CNN and it sound like to me like he don't like Obama's policies and every time he speak I feel like he's saying he don't like em, especially with all he accomplished.
Me (Obviously playing dumb): Now that you think about it, does sound right.
Uncle: Well Hillary wants to continue Barack's plans and that's A-OK to me.
*Everyone around the table nods, and proceeds to talk about sports*
I imagine this ain't too far from a lot of people.
Aunt: Can't say I like that old white man running against Hillary.
Me: Really? Why?
Aunt: I be watching him on CNN and it sound like to me like he don't like Obama's policies and every time he speak I feel like he's saying he don't like em, especially with all he accomplished.
Me (Obviously playing dumb): Now that you think about it, does sound right.
Uncle: Well Hillary wants to continue Barack's plans and that's A-OK to me.
*Everyone around the table nods, and proceeds to talk about sports*
I imagine this ain't too far from a lot of people.
yeah, who needs science anyway.
I bet that clip is the KO punch for brainchild's support if he's still out there.
shinra-bansho
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Everyone's avatars look too similar.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on building expensive pointless warplanes.
This is bait. Drudge siren.
User 463088
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So if Bernie can't win by actually winning, it's okay to Ron Paul the house down? Awesome.
However, he still lost Nevada. He may gain a delegate or two more than he was supposed to, but it won't be enough to flip the state.
And_Gignac
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Hillary Romney Clinton strikes again.
An strategic vote that allows him to pander to bald eagles once he runs in the generals. He already had it all figured it out back then.
Aaron Strife
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Yup. A lot of Democrats are perfectly happy with how things have been going under Obama and want someone to continue his policies, not flip the table over. In fact I'd imagine a lot of people did see things like Obamacare as meaningful changes, and want to maintain the new normal for a while.
Bernie's messae would resonate more after a two-term GOP president who fucked everything up. Similar to how Obama (assuming he was a first term senator then) probably would have lost in 04 - Bush simply had too much public support.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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What does her ad have to do with Bernie?
Bernie Sanders once blamed cervical cancer on a lack of orgasms.
Reading all sorts of fun stuff about this man today. Article's from a year ago, though.
Reading all sorts of fun stuff about this man today. Article's from a year ago, though.
You know your campaign is losing when you start to use Clinton 08 attacks and talking points against your opponent.
User 463088
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I was talking about the NV county conventions, not whatever ad was linked to.
Delegate split based on the "will of the people" should have been 20-15. Hillary. Looks like it'll probably end up 18-17 to Hillary. That's not enjoyable.
Add to that the Hillary campaign was already trying to get the chair of the Clark County convention removed because she leaked private information to the Bernie campaign, and you can see why this really isn't something to celebrate.
Cock uses are ridiculous.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Which isn't a big deal, really. Not the claim obviously, but that Bernie said something dumb. I mean, he said this a long time ago. I'm sure he doesn't believe it now. The point to take away from this isn't that "Bernie Sanders once said a bad thing!", but that there's probably just a lot of shit that's been said years ago that hasn't been dredged up yet because he hasn't yet been under the full force of the electoral spotlight
<+)O Robido O(+>
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Isn't the ad attacking Obama for something that she's currently doing? How is this a negative for Bernie?
Bonen no Max'd
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If only the common man could benefit from such worthless scientific progress as the insulin pump.
Since the thread is talking about cutting Social Security because of funding gaps I am not sure I have much to say without getting really snippy.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that a country which can borrow an infinite amount of money at 1% needs to balance its budget.
Box of Kittens
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Yeah, there's a reason Hillary didn't run in 2004. This is also why I think the Kerry campaign gets a bit of a bad rap. It wasn't great, but it was fine. He basically did about as well as a generic Democrat should be expected to do in that election.
Gore, on the other hand, was a rather weak candidate. There was no excuse for losing 2000. I will give him credit for closing strong though. A lot of his wounds were self-inflicted that campaign, but he made a nice comeback in the final month or so. Perhaps if he'd had a little more time he could have still pulled it off.
I kind of wonder what else there is. He has such an... unexplored history.
I want to watch an alternate reality where Hillary didn't care about ticking anyone off and just threw Bernie's campaign into the fire. Dredged up every last thing and made attack ads out of it. Wouldn't exactly earn her any fans, but I'd like to see what would happen.
He's resorting to attacks against Clinton that she used against Obama when she was losing. He's also using another attack/talking point against her that she used against him during the primary - begging for more debates and attacking when they get rejected. It's a sign that things aren't going well.
shinra-bansho
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I think the cervical cancer thing just highlights that there hasn't been that much real oppo done on him, or rather the oppo is probably in a big file somewhere at the ready rather than released. And that what has been released really hasn't been given the limelight much.
Drudge and Breitbart aren't running a misleading "Bernie Sanders' rape fantasy essay" story when they can post pictures of Hillary coughing.
But I was wondering whether you're okay with a candidate being okay with taking pork from the Military Industrial Complex™.
Drudge and Breitbart aren't running a misleading "Bernie Sanders' rape fantasy essay" story when they can post pictures of Hillary coughing.
Well, then that leaves Ivy and tanks, because Kev is too busy farming.
I'm not sure if it was a vote in particular, I'm not sure if we're referring to the same thing.
But I was wondering whether you're okay with a candidate being okay with taking pork from the Military Industrial Complex™.
There's an opportunity cost for sending giant missiles into space. If the argument for NASA is that it produces technological innovations, I'm sure we can get much better bang for our buck. I bet university research is much more cost effective than NASA and DARPA since they don't have to build field-ready stuff.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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I see. Thanks!
Even the chairs are white!
I also have a bunch of money, for the record. Though probably not as much a guy whose job is literally to sit in a building full of money.*
* I know, I know, most of that money is out in other people's pockets so that Kev can live off the float.
There's an opportunity cost for giving people who want to do art history and film studies free college
shinra-bansho
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On the one hand, there's a need for Blue Skies basic research, because something could come of it that will lead to real-world impact.
On the other a lot of it leads to nothing, and many academics don't really give a toss about real-world impact and are more interested in their h-index.
What you want to do is appropriately value and promote the need for both.
On the other a lot of it leads to nothing, and many academics don't really give a toss about real-world impact and are more interested in their h-index.
What you want to do is appropriately value and promote the need for both.
Well, that program directly helps a normal person! Sending giant missiles into space can only help normal people indirectly. So that's where AfterBerner is coming from.
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I currently work for PP, absolute scorn for Bernie around these parts, lol.
I NEEED some stories/quotes here.
Poodlestrike
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Lines up with his GMO position tbh
shinra-bansho
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Huh? Which Big ______ was that in opposition to? Pharma I would assume?
Oh (edit) it's in the article. Big bad biotechs.
It's basically the same retro old-school anti-Big Whatever worldview that comes through all the time.
Oh (edit) it's in the article. Big bad biotechs.
It's basically the same retro old-school anti-Big Whatever worldview that comes through all the time.
I've made this suggestion before, but it really doesn't make any sense to suggest that STEM degrees are the only ones that need subsidizing. Pursuing a STEM degree is already subsidized by the free market, because you can easily get a high-paying job with one. If anything, STEM degrees are the only ones we should not be subsidizing.
Criticizing Bernie for opposing NASA is a little ironic since opposing NASA was the official Democratic position ten years ago when George W. put it in his State of the Union and made it temporarily a partisan issue.
That said, arguing that we should invest in NASA for the trickle-down effects is pretty silly as well. I am mostly bored with space, since it is mostly empty and pointless, but if we want to explore it for some reason we should make the case that exploring it is a good idea and then invest based on that case.
Aaron Strife
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I think Kerry's candidacy is somewhat understated in hindsight. He would have won if he managed to pull it off in Ohio.
Compare that to someone like Romney who lost pretty much every swing state. The one that he won (NC) shouldn't have been a swing state either.
shinra-bansho
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I haven't looked at US statistics, but in AU approximately half of those completing undergrad degrees in the life sciences, chemistry, and who seek FT employment are still doing so 4 months post graduation, which is near the bottom of the table. With only like Creative Arts degrees below from memory.
So this global thrust to churn out STEM grads in degree factories everywhere feels pretty flawed actually.
The Technomancer
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Yeah really its just the E that has such high job placement rates
Macho Madness
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I saw a friend posted a thing about voting for Hillary or Trump and I'm scared to click it
shinra-bansho
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I guess it's worth asking anyway; is the premise that in working for a bank instead of, for example, at a steel mill that you can't be a good and/or hardworking person?
excelsiorlef
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That should have been obvious look at the twitter handle
It's three capital Is. Hell 3 Ls would be a sign it's fake too
Macho Madness
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It was a fake account, I saw it before you deleted it
Cesare Borgia
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Bernie's entire approach towards the president is asinine. I'd understand it if Obama was Bush 07/08 status. But Obama is incredibly popular amongst democrats and his overall job approval has been solid for quite some time; it's actually been rising and should continue to do so. He is the future of the party in many ways, and it makes sense for democrats to become claiming and embellishing his legacy, as republicans have done with Reagan.
Yes Bernie has gotten better at giving the president some credit but you don't have to listen hard to get the general impression Sanders wants to run as if it's still 2008 and the last 7 years didn't happen.
Kerry's reputation didn't get thrashed like Romney did but he didn't have the personality to pull off a realigning coalition. The GOP hasn't made much headway in attracting people outside of the base since 2004. The "freedom fries" simps are firmly in the Trump camp, the dudes who would troll campaign events are Cruz supporters, and Kasich represents the rump of "moderate" suburban voters that would naturally vote conservative.
Bernie's cervical cancer comments make me more surprised that for all the attacks leveled at him here there hasn't been a more comprehensive analysis of the (frankly) more anti-intellectual viewpoints he's had, aspects of which surface in his campaign and reflect in his supporters from time to time.
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