nature boy
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Some have been honest and straightforward (WaPo, NYT), others not much (CNN).
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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Some have been honest and straightforward (WaPo, NYT), others not much (CNN).
Macho Madness
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Got it. Will do from now on. Here's that one by the way: http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/Minnesota+Poll+presidential+race.pdf
Aaron Strife
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Clinton under 50? omg Trump's got this
Macho Madness
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Except basic Mika and Joe Paternborough
Basileus777
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If the media went out of their way to help anyone it was Rubio. But Nate just looks at the amount of coverage Trump gets. That mentality is also what led him to call Rubio's "attack Trump's dick size" strategy a brilliant one.
Macho Madness
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Remember the politico insiders after every debate?
Well even they pretended to be anti Trump after the KKK thing but they got bored.
The media isn't pro anyone. It's pro-horserace. A settled nomination fight is bad for business.
And that's genuinely something to fear this fall in terms of how the media covers Clinton V. Trump. She's gonna be running away with this race by all accounts, but how does the media effectively portray that without tanking their own interests in making this seem as competitive as possible? That's potentially gonna be a real problem. She's gonna be genuinely leading in the EV race into the 300+ range and that may not bear out in how the media covers things.
And that's genuinely something to fear this fall in terms of how the media covers Clinton V. Trump. She's gonna be running away with this race by all accounts, but how does the media effectively portray that without tanking their own interests in making this seem as competitive as possible? That's potentially gonna be a real problem. She's gonna be genuinely leading in the EV race into the 300+ range and that may not bear out in how the media covers things.
They have to get those ratings!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The worst. The absolute worst. "Jeb's got this! Trump will fade!" to "Rubio is the man!," etc., etc.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Silver is a libertarian and thus is dumb and subscribes to internet edgelord theory of "all attention is good attention!"
It's almost like getting attention just exposes your ideas to voters! It's almost like Ben Carson getting attention for being a fraud that thinks that the pyramids were used to store grain or the media showing Rubio's flushing his image into the toilet weren't helpful even though they got a lot of media attention!
Ordinarily yes, but Trump is good ratings regardless of the state of the race.
Still, I think they've been relatively fair in covering him. People say they gave him too much air time, but are they really supposed to not cover the crazy shit he says?
Im tweeting this to nate cohn and harry, probably sean too to see what they think.
I actually think this is a good thing for the GE. Keeping the stakes high will help bolster turnout. If the only message put out is "Clinton will win this in a landslide!" a lot of people could stay home.
Well we've been here before. 2012 was exactly the same - every single piece of independent evidence we had was telling us Obama was winning in a blow out, and yet the media continued to call it tight, continued to say either could win, and even ran with the usual stories about Pennsylvania being in play at the end.
It didn't change the result - indeed, it might actually help Clinton because it will motivate people to get out and vote if they think it might be close rather than staying at home because she has it locked up.
He's not wrong in this situation though. The media (well in this case it might mainly be cable media) has given him tons of free air time all becuase as a side show he gives them ratings. They've given expoentially more free advertising to him then anyone else running by huge margins. It's not even fucking close. This has been proven. Had they not done that he would have faded away the way everyone though he would. They gave him an open platform to spew his grabage even when he's clearly saying racist, bigoted, and sexist things with no push back or correction. There is a reason he didn't have to spend any of his own money or even fundraise. Everytime he opened his mouth there were the news crews to broadcast what he wanted to say anywhere he was. Remember that press conference where he was just advertising the new hotel that had his name or when he was claiming that Trump steaks still existed? Yes even after that bullshit, after it was completely clear he was just using them and they were the butt of the joke they still followed him around like love sick puppies.
I do not believe he will win. However how far Trump has gotten is 100% on them. Everytime they interrupt something to show his rallies when they don't for others they 100% are aiding him. Everytime they try to "give both sides of the story" after he's said something that was by the book racist and/or sexist they are 100% aiding him by even pretending there is another valid side. Everytime he says something 100% untrue or just completely and factually wrong with no correction they're aiding him.
Basileus777
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Is it the media's fault that there are a lot of people who nod their heads at the terrible shit Trump espouses?
nature boy
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Getting pundits to opine over Trump calling Kasich a "slob" is not coverage, it's a political reality show.
Serious new outlets wouldn't spend more than a minute over that.
Edit: Or Trump's hands at the debate. "Line of the debate!".
BlastProcessing
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I think this is super interesting/telling.
FAVORABLE/UNFAVORABLE
Bernie Sanders 76% 11%
Hillary Clinton 69% 17%
Q6. (Asked of self-identified Democratic respondents) Which of the following
candidates would you most like to see get the Democratic nomination for president?
Hillary Clinton 54%
Bernie Sanders 39%
Undecided 7%
User 85168
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Best Correspondent's Dinner host? I don't think anything I've seen beats Colbert with Dubya
brainchild
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Happy birthday Holmes
All that Trump coverage would have killed him had a large swath of the GOP base not been racist assholes. They had him on TV being a hateful demagogue for months and it only helped his numbers. The media deserves some blame yes, but most of the blame goes to the GOP electorate for being hateful racists.
All that Trump coverage would have killed him had a large swath of the GOP base not been racist assholes. They had him on TV being a hateful demagogue for months and it only helped his numbers. The media deserves some blame yes, but most of the blame goes to the GOP electorate for being hateful racists.
NYCmetsfan
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Ugh
Bernie said:
How much outrage is there going to be when the first ballot goes through and she instantly wins the nomination.
'Bernie told me there was going to be a contested convention!'
I imagine a lot of outrage. Bernie isn't exactly doing a great job of winding things down.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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New Mexico, Nevada, and Florida are definitely swing states. It's going to be really easy for the "They're rapists." candidate to win those areas. After all, non-white people don't exist.
NYCmetsfan
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I'm just pissed he's still giving speeches like this
https://berniesanders.com/remarks-national-press-club/
Florida is going to be determined by turnout vs how much voter suppression the GOP can hammer through. Expect more 8-10 hr voting lines. Same for Ohio.
Media has already started... look at this bullshit.
There is no way the media would show her safe over 270. Why would you care then
Exactly. People refuse to realize that, unless it's a sheer blowout which is almost impossible with the Democratic primary system, the system is working exactly as it was designed to. Superdelegates are SUPPOSED to be the tipping point. The public vote/pledged delegates get you to the hall, and the superdelegates crown you. But that doesn't make it a contested convention.
A Bernie should know better. He does know better.
The fact that an official Republican Party Presidential Debate turned into a proxy argument about the size of their wangs is actually news worthy.
NYCmetsfan
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Glenn greenwald is making sure to remind people the Osama bin Laden raid was horrible illegitimate US imperialism and something something intial reports were wrong so the whole thing is US gov lies
It's still a pretty safe map, Ohio or Florida put her over.
Jack The Nipper
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why do people keep hating on political cartoons in this thread, did you guys hate on them before you talked about them online
besides, political cartoons are for the masses not exactly always work of arts
Fell like adding some words to my avatar "don't fall, head slice, wall jump!, run, run run"
besides, political cartoons are for the masses not exactly always work of arts
Fell like adding some words to my avatar "don't fall, head slice, wall jump!, run, run run"
I don't really understand why it's that surprising that initial reports in a firefight that are then updated as a more coherent picture comes in? That's noteworthy?
Macho Madness
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To be fair, most of those tossup states haven't seen much polling.
But all the OH polls make it at least Lean D.
But all the OH polls make it at least Lean D.
Yeah, this is ridiculous at this point. Still pushing the "superdelegates should vote for me in states I won, and in states I didn't win they should vote for me anyways!".
I understand it's a campaign that's losing and winding down, but they do really need to shift in tone like Clinton did and start focussing on message and not illegitimating Clinton's victory by comparing apples to oranges and weird contradictory hypocritical arguments. The more he does this, the less he's going to get at the convention...
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Aaron Strife
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Interesting that they have Indiana and North Carolina both leaning towards Trump when Sabato has NC Lean D and IN Likely R.
Seems to me like they just went "Derr, went for Obama in 08/Romney in 2012, Lean R, everything else Safe R"
Like it's based more on historical records rather than any actual modern political observation. Like who has NM as a swing state anymore? But it went for Bush in 04 so it must be one right?
Seems to me like they just went "Derr, went for Obama in 08/Romney in 2012, Lean R, everything else Safe R"
Like it's based more on historical records rather than any actual modern political observation. Like who has NM as a swing state anymore? But it went for Bush in 04 so it must be one right?
Macho Madness
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There is no reason Indiana shouldn't be Likely R. All of the polls showing Trump and Cruz beating Hillary are outside of the margin of error in the state. It's not going blue this year.
AZ and GA though
AZ and GA though
excelsiorlef
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Bernie Sanders said:
Ugh I'm so done with this.
"Hillary is a neocon and I don't agree with her on anything except that we both agree that I'm the better chance at beating Trump so subvert the will of the people!"
Aaron Strife
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No I agree, it's just dumb then that they have NC and IN rated the same.
Macho Madness
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Perhaps the most baffling one there is New Mexico. Is there any reason to believe Trump won't be trounced there?
And I mean besides Bush winning it 12 years ago because that's irrelevant
And I mean besides Bush winning it 12 years ago because that's irrelevant
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