The bold is the real prize this election. We can extinguish Trump style politics right here and now if we get a big enough win. If we can show that Trump style politics leads to an electoral college massacre of legendary proportions we could potentially stop people from using it in the future. It's about showing that we're above our darkest hearts and that we're not a nation that finds this level of hate acceptable. The Clinton campaign needs to be looking to run up the numbers as high as possible because if they do this could potentially be a turning point for us.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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The bold is the real prize this election. We can extinguish Trump style politics right here and now if we get a big enough win. If we can show that Trump style politics leads to an electoral college massacre of legendary proportions we could potentially stop people from using it in the future. It's about showing that we're above our darkest hearts and that we're not a nation that finds this level of hate acceptable. The Clinton campaign needs to be looking to run up the numbers as high as possible because if they do this could potentially be a turning point for us.
excelsiorlef
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Maybe now people will shut up about Wyoming. Clinton won Guan by 20% and only netted 1 extra delegate.
That's just the way the math works with small delegate states/territories
Spoiled Milk
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Absolutely not. I love Trump style politics. By playing to hate and xenophobia we can shift the Republican party away from fiscal conservatism and corporate chutzpah. Then the Democratic party can be seen as the pro-growth party while the Republicans languish in nativism.
Absolutely agree that we have to send a message.
I want her to actually try and win Georgia and Utah and any other red state that might be in play this election. Humiliate him.
Plus the Trump meltdown when he realizes the massive L he's going to get will be amazing to witness.
Retromelon
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Spoken like a true spendthrift democrat
NYCmetsfan
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Where was this given ? Link?
RastaMentality
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Howard university commencement. http://youtu.be/_K4MctEmkmI
eBay Huckster
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so clinton won west guam, eh?
excelsiorlef
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Hell why is it a good thing when Sanders openly says he wins more Republican votes than she does.
Aaron Strife
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Same way Clinton's wins in the red Deep South don't count but Sanders sweeping the plains states (Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho) is awesome.
No bad optics here, Bernie.
That why I'm not worried. Those aren't Democrats or Independents.
Same La Rouche douches on yh the subway in the morning screaming and being ignored.
excelsiorlef
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No bad optics here, Bernie.
Lol yelling at people and calling them traitors for supporting Clinton over Sanders.
Quite the support base he's riled up.
http://www.thecorsaironline.com/news/2016/05/06/hillary-clinton-east-los-angeles-college/
And these are probably the same people who won't lift a finger to stop Trump.
plagiarize
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Some muppet on Facebook posted something about the 'Latest' Reuters data saying it showed Clinton behind Trump in a head to head race.
Well the data was from mid march. I posted the latest Reuters data, and the guy said something about 'We were talking about data from a reliable source, but thanks for playing' and then when I went to ask him when and why Reuters stopped being a reliable source since March 21st, I couldn't because the post was no longer visible.
Someone else responded to my comments defending Obama's recent speech about needing to compromise even if you are 100% right, which pointed out that Sanders recognized this too when he voted for the ACA (and other votes) with some comment about the war of independence (I'm from the UK, the poster knew this).
Way too many people on my facebook wall have decided to just bury their heads in the sand.
Well the data was from mid march. I posted the latest Reuters data, and the guy said something about 'We were talking about data from a reliable source, but thanks for playing' and then when I went to ask him when and why Reuters stopped being a reliable source since March 21st, I couldn't because the post was no longer visible.
Someone else responded to my comments defending Obama's recent speech about needing to compromise even if you are 100% right, which pointed out that Sanders recognized this too when he voted for the ACA (and other votes) with some comment about the war of independence (I'm from the UK, the poster knew this).
Way too many people on my facebook wall have decided to just bury their heads in the sand.
DataStream
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Oh god La Rouche, haven't heard that name in a while.
My old roommate thought it would be funny to entertain them for a bit and strike up phone conversations. Listening to one side of the conversation was pretty hilarious, it was almost impossible to figure out what they were talking about.
Yellowtail
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Norm Ornstein interview:
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/6/11598838/donald-trump-predictions-norm-ornstein
McConnell (by fanning the flames of hate and fear among Republicans) managed to destroy his own party just to win two midterm elections. Sad!
McConnell is kind of like Cruz in being a guy that looks smart in the short-term, but is actually not smart at all.
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/6/11598838/donald-trump-predictions-norm-ornstein
McConnell (by fanning the flames of hate and fear among Republicans) managed to destroy his own party just to win two midterm elections. Sad!
McConnell is kind of like Cruz in being a guy that looks smart in the short-term, but is actually not smart at all.
Why is her sticker on upside down?
Is it a distress signal, like flying the flag upside down?
hammysaurusrex
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Those pictures are amusing when you see them in the context of Sanders' supporters asking "If Hillary is winning, where are all her supporters, why aren't they more visible to me, and why don't they want to engage with me?"
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That's a pretty comprehensive summary of what i've been thinking for the last year or so. And many of the bits and pieces even earlier than that. I did not however put the entire idea of what might happen into real terms like he did. Furthermore, I did not personally come around to the idea of Trump being likely to win the nomination until October. When the flavor of the month idea was disproven is when I decided, yep Trump will probably win this.
Like many Bernibros talking points it's straight out of Fox's rhetoric.
Just want to say this is a tremendous analogy, in terms of both accuracy and targetted relatability. Well played. <3
So there's something kinda weird about this election (and I mean aside from the obvious stuff). By every single measure, this race is far more insane and exciting than in 2012, yet back around that time I didn't miss a single one of the 22 (!!!!) Republican debates, as opposed to now where I missed almost half of them. And I don't mean I missed them cause I wasn't at home and forgot to Tivo or whatever, but rather just straight up had no interest in watching them. The stakes are higher, the comedy potential is off the charts, and the Republican party is in the worst shape it's been in decades. But despite all that, I still haven't found this as exciting to observe as 2012.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Anyone else feel the same way?
Aaron Strife
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The thing that a lot of people seem to miss is that Trump's most controversial policies (wall with Mexico, ban on Muslims) are not meaningfully different from other GOP proposals including those from the beloved moderate establishment. Guys like Ryan are just mad that Trump threw away the dog whistle and is shouting these things through a megaphone.
Here's your southern strategy, assholes. Have fun losing Georgia and North Carolina.
Yeah, Ann surprisingly came out pretty subdued and reasonable (well, about as well as someone like Ann Coulter can be). And yes, Gillespie is a tool AND he wears that same stupid leather jacket every single time he's on the show!
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, the guy did not delve into the Southern Strategy, but many of the other factors that also went into the shit-fest.
Summary of his points:
- Over many years, they've adopted strategies that have trivialized and delegitimized government. They were willing to play to a nativist element. And they tried to use, instead of stand up to, the apocalyptic visions and extremism of some cable television, talk radio, and other media outlets on the right.
- One is, theyve almost precluded their capacity to build a broader base for the party that could actually compete for majorities.
- Second, if you delegitimize government, and make every victory that occurs partisan and ugly, and then refuse to implement the policies to make things work as much as you can but instead try to undermine them, and you cut government funding, and you freeze the salaries of people in government well, then eventually youre gonna have a public out there that basically says, "Anything would be better than these idiots."
- Cantor, McConnell, and others went out and really tried to fan the flames of Tea Party and populist anger, working it to their advantage in midterm contests. But what ended up happening was that they undermined their own authority.
I don't know how much the Southern Strategy actually played into it, I think it's more Xenophobia (They took our jobs!) and Nationalism (Make America Great Again) than Racism.
plagiarize
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These comments are what will sink him. He's not going to apologize or stop making them or 'pivot'. He can't parse himself to see just how sexist they are, and he's not going to stop talking off the cuff, because he'd probably lose even more votes if he did.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, well the southern strategy goes a lot further back than Gingrich too, but it's still a large factor in the GOP's national success throughout the 70s and 80s and their more recent failures. 04 was probably the last time it could be counted on to deliver them a win, they've been playing from that same book ever since and now they're just scrambling.
Gingrich was more about delegitimizing the government, like you said. And Gingrich was far more shrewd at passing legislation than Boehner/Ryan because there was at least some willingness to compromise. Also, they impeached Clinton. And Bush rode patriotic sentiment after a wonky election and 9/11. Every GOP success since Clinton took office has simply been a matter of being in the right place in the right time, and the notion that guys like Karl Rove are geniuses just because they capitalized on issues like gay marriage the one year it could actually work is pretty laughable in hindsight.
I'm not sure a 2016 blowout will temper the GOP electorate, either. It'll be so easy to blame everything on Trump's unique qualities as a candidate and go for Cruz next time.
plagiarize
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Cruz is not going to be top of their list in 2020. That's not saying he won't run or potentially do well... but they aren't going to 'go for Cruz'. If it happens it'll be unwillingly, as it is with Trump.
Trump hitting Clinton for adultery ignores his own past.
Like you could easily turn around and level the same criticisms on him, this election is insane.
I see Trump subscribes to /r/redpill now too I guess.
Like you could easily turn around and level the same criticisms on him, this election is insane.
I see Trump subscribes to /r/redpill now too I guess.
plagiarize
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Well, no. Because Clinton has never to our knowledge committed adultery. So you could more easily level the criticism at Trump. Blaming a women for sticking with her husband after he cheated on her... that's not going to swing voters your way.
Weird. I'm sure he already has the men's rights activists votes, why bother pandering more?
Maybe he wants to see if he can get 0 female votes
Right out of the MRA playbook, eh?
He's not pandering, that's him.
User 463088
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Queen is 154 delegates short right now. We're so close to making my dreams...I mean her dreams....come true.
Are you counting superdelegates? Because you can't. Those don't count.
plagiarize
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I thought it might take until the debates for him to stick his foot firmly in his mouth. Hah. I love how Warren has taken the war to him on Twitter, and I just followed her earlier so that when she responds to these latest comments that I'll see those responses as soon as possible.
You can when you're at the point where you have a clear majority of the popular vote, a majority of the pledged delegates and the super delegate votes put you over the top.
You can absolutely count them at that point.
It's been like two days later and I'm still shook by "Tacogate". I still can't believe Trump clinched the nomination. I weep for our country.
I think it might have to do with there being a limit to how much fuckery someone can willingly expose themselves too before they've had enough. I just got tired of the debates like halfway through. It was as if they were on loop regurgitating the same nonsense.
I think it might have to do with there being a limit to how much fuckery someone can willingly expose themselves too before they've had enough. I just got tired of the debates like halfway through. It was as if they were on loop regurgitating the same nonsense.
Macho Madness
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Trump has the MRA vote locked up
User 463088
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I even counted the states where Hillary got more of the vote than Bernie... Those don't count either do they?
And fuck my gravy has lumps in it. Whatever. It'll taste fine.
Dominican Power
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Reasonable? She's a Trump supporter.
I tend to assuming pandering when I hear something crazy, but you are probably right
Yep. This is who Donald J. Trump is. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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