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User 463088
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That's what I'm reading as well. 3x the number of people participate in nothing more than a beauty contest.... But caucuses are the real determinations of support...
WA used to split the allocation between caucus and primary results, but then a ballot initiative gave us a supremely shitty open primary system where the two highest voted candidates advance to the general. It's theoretically possible for the general to be between two members of the same party, not that it would happen. After that, our primaries were declared nonbinding.
Caucuses are shit, but I don't know if they're more shit than open primaries.
Caucuses are shit, but I don't know if they're more shit than open primaries.
User 463088
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I don't like open primaries, but I still believe caucuses are the worst of the worst. Given the choice between the two, I'd take an open ass primary every day of the week.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Well, yeah.
User 463088
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They completely switched to GE polling because people pointed out to them, if they forced supers to vote like pledged delegates, Hillary wins even more.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
But seriously, if I had to choose between caucuses and open primaries. The choice is pretty clear.
A party's ability to maintain control over their selection process is important to me. Caucuses are an archaic method that doesn't scale to modern population sizes, they're messy and confusing, but they're closed, so... Yeah.
Just have a "caucus" and rewrite the rules so that people show up and cast a single ballot, sidestep the whole mess.
I doubt that's legally possible in most if not all caucus states.
Officerrob
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I'm absolutely fine with cutting off DWS, but fuck doing it to hand over the DNC to Tulsi
neurosisxeno
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Open Primaries really aren't that bad. If anything a lot of the self-described Independents that they keep out are potential future party members. A majority of the people left by the wayside who supported Sanders were young unaffiliated voters, and those are absolutely a crowd the Democrats should be courting because it's a group they can count on for decades to come. Then again I'm not part of the apparent "Fuck non-Party Loyalists" crowd. I think all states should just do Open Primaries--force the parties to actually court voters rather than just sit back and play to a specific demographic.
excelsiorlef
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Seriously? Sanders ads?
I reaaaaaaally dislike DWS. But yeah, to boot her just to appeal to people you think will riot at the convention is like... I damn near hate the woman and even that would leave a bad taste in my mouth. She sucks and needs to go. But like this? To appease people threatening you?
I wouldn't do it personally.
excelsiorlef
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Looks more like a super pac ad tbh
TheLostBigBoss
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Meh, if it's something that has been in the making why not use it to your advantage and kill two birds with one stone?
Replace DWS and appease some people who would otherwise make a fit.
I would be all for it, besides the fact taht Bernie would demand he chooses the new Chair.
theprodigy
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Well the solution to that is obvious.
Agree to kick DWS, then don't let Bernie pick the new chair.
Aaron Strife
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Tulsi never
Keep that homophobic/Islamophobic trash out of the party
Keep that homophobic/Islamophobic trash out of the party
There is zero chance of either of these happening.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, that was my first thought.
shinra-bansho
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TRUE LIBERAL TULSI GABBARD.
It can't even be counted on now...
Cesare Borgia
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Hillary's June 7th concession speech
What's Sanders going to say? I know some will demand that he concede on the 7th, but I don't think he needs to. It's a tough process and like Hillary did he should take a couple days. But that's the question, isn't it. I can imagine him coming out defiant on the 7th, and on the 8th or 9th refusing to acknowledge Hillary as the presumptive nominee. Or maybe he'll do the right thing. Who knows.
Either way the farce will be over and Obama will be able to get off the sidelines. But I'm curious to see how Sanders handles it.
any hints to what role Obama will play at the convention? have they started on the speech yet? Is he going to put Hillary's name into nomination?
I doubt you can say anything even if you knew
Eh we'll get hints from you hopefully by July or leaks through press.
whyamihere
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Fuck.👏 Tulsi. 👏 Gabbard. 👏 You.👏 Islamaphobic.👏 Homophobe. 👏
User 463088
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Preach.
If she had endorsed Queen, she's have been (rightfully) thrown under the bus for her shitty stance on a bunch of issues. But, she endorsed Bernie so it's all good.
AntraxSuicide
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Purity was always bullshit. It's about not disrespecting the bird, man.
whyamihere
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She wouldn't have been a special snowflake if she did. A lot of shitty people endorsed Hillary. We just don't talk about them because almost everyone endorsed Hillary.
neurosisxeno
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So they should be further disenfranchised and pushed out of the political process?
Pretty much. If they are going to remove her from the DNC because of her bad publicity they aren't going to make her the VP nominee. Can you even begin to imagine the controversy that would stir?
They disenfranchise themselves, even with massive effort to get them to vote and participate.
They cry for instant results, pout when they dont get their way and then go home and dont vote. So excuse the grown adults if they dont try to coddle them even more then we already do.
neurosisxeno
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They had no problem showing up for Obama or for Sanders during this primary season. I find it hard to believe they are being coddled at all when most major candidates for Congress\President don't represent the beliefs of Millennials and are begrudgingly accepting those of Gen X'ers. Shit, even Sanders platform coddles old people by promising them so much Social Security money they will move up an entire income bracket. Things like LGBTQ Rights, Womens Rights, Drug Reform, Criminal Justice Reform, and Income Inequality are things that appeal to younger voters, and those are the issues that candidates try to avoid, instead focusing on Religious Bullshit, Why Abortion Makes You a Monster, and Who Cares More About Veterens.
Cesare Borgia
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any hints to what role Obama will play at the convention? have they started on the speech yet? Is he going to put Hillary's name into nomination?
I doubt you can say anything even if you knew
Eh we'll get hints from you hopefully by July or leaks through press.
Dunno. But it'll be fun and I'll be there.
I bet you got the hookup on inauguration tickets too lol. You must be a delegate to the convention. Pretty cool if so or if not in the audience.
The Youth vote didnt even last two years into the 2008 presidency before they gave up and 2010 happened. That with an almost unprecedented midterm campaign from obama. Still, nothing.
TheLaughingStock
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Republicans talk a good game but the Wall St. wing of the Democratic party takes action.
excelsiorlef
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User 463088
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Also, while Bernie outperformed Obama in the Washington caucus... Obama still managed to win the Washington primary.
shinra-bansho
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Young people become old people. They will increase in turn out.
A new batch of young people come along. Also don't vote.
C'est la vie.
I don't see a need to coddle this particular batch.
Trump has once again found himself unable to let it go..
@realDonaldTrump
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And ABC News is breaking that Paul Ryan is going to endore Trump. Surprise! (not)
excelsiorlef
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Not catering to the people least likely to vote isn't disenfranchisment it's called trying to win an election.
If young people want to be players at the table and get taken seriously start voting in reliable numbers. They are the largest group of eligible voters yet pretty much the smallest when the votes are counted.
The party should take control of the primary process. Party pays for primaries, caucuses if they occur do not impart delegates and are paid for by the state party. they happen in clusters of 5 states over say, 3 months. the clusters are randomized each election so no one state always goes early all the time and they are not constantly trying to out jockey each other for standing.
It can be like the NBA draft so the closer to first you are one time the less draws you get on the next cycle.
Edit:
Let me jazz this up for PoliGAF.
Sad! Caucuses where a mistake *airhorn*
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It can be like the NBA draft so the closer to first you are one time the less draws you get on the next cycle.
Edit:
Let me jazz this up for PoliGAF.
Sad! Caucuses where a mistake *airhorn*
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Paul Ryan finally going to endorse Trump apparently.
I guess Trump accusing Hillary of killing Vince Foster proved to Ryan that he's a true Republican.
I guess Trump accusing Hillary of killing Vince Foster proved to Ryan that he's a true Republican.
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