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Someone suggested that Hillary "participate" in the debate.. by giving it the MST3k treatment. I'd be allllll about that, especially if she had one or two comedians with her in the theater.
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Hillary should have bit the bullet and done the last debate.

it sucks but its been pretty clear he's a lose canon and will do whatever. You just have to walk on eggshells around him and run out the clock.

Yup. She shoulda done the Cali debate. I have to admit I'm impressed, didn't think Sanders would actually do it, but there we go. Clinton got slightly too ahead of herself.
 

HUELEN10

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They blatantly went out of their way too find an unflattering picture of her.

Ah. I don't see how a bad pic translates as sexist, but that's just me. That being said, bad pics in general are used to grab attention. Regardless of age of the news in question, don't you know how often local outlets use this pic for Trump?


Very unflattering as well. Wouldn't call it sexist, just bad.
 

Crayons

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I've been reading Hillary's platform on her website.

I like what I'm reading except there's one thing I'm noticing isn't there. Legalize weed, Hillary.
 

User1608

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Think of it this way. One of three things would be likely to happen: 1) Bernie tears Trump a new asshole [I think this is most likely given his ideological revulsion towards Trump and the Trumps of the world] 2) Trump tears Bernie a new asshole (possible, given the amount of material available, and Trump's willingness to fight) and 3) Both of them sort of muddle through.

In case 1, Trump looks bad and Bernie looks good, but it doesn't really matter because Bernie winning requires a miracle at this point.

In case 2, Trump has just savaged Bernie, Saint of Birdies, ensuring the cult of Bernie either stays home or works against him.

In case 3, nothing much happens, and nothing much changes.

Will they tee off on Clinton? Some, I'm sure. But it'll be the same stuff that already hasn't worked well, and it will give an insanely bad impression -- two old men spending their debate slagging off a woman candidate. It'll drive more women voters toward Hillary, including possibly some of the young ones she's lost to Sanders. Nothing either of them says is going to have a profound effect on the base, and the idea that Trump will somehow soften his positions enough to be acceptable to people who want to burn down Wall Street is just silly.
Thank you for responding Besada.

1. That would definitely be the best outcome because it would hurt Trump's GE chances even more, with fresh material for Hillary to use on any fumbles he makes, I feel.

2.That would be incredibly unfortunate and one of the main reasons I hope the debate doesn't occur along with the potential of him sabotaging Hillary.

3.indeed, that wouldn't be too bad either.

I absolutely did not consider the optics of two old men going after her, and it does make sense. That would certainly be the best case scenario from such an unneeded event.
Yassssssssssss. :)

Season 1 is hard to watch. Literally. They used some shitty filter on the whole thing. Gets better after that.
Hah hah, gotcha Adam. So would you say the second season or so is a better starting point?
 
I've been reading Hillary's platform on her website.

I like what I'm reading except there's one thing I'm noticing isn't there. Legalize weed, Hillary.

She's not on that train yet. Personally? I don't care if people smoke it or not. Do what they want with it. Supposedly, cannabis oil could help the pain I have in my eyes. And Ohio is working to legalize it for medical purposes. I'd be first in line to try it, because the pain I deal with on a daily basis is just UGH.

If Bernie does this (and again I doubt it) I want them to slap him down so hard when he gets back to the Senate. He would be done if I was Senate Majority/Minority leader. He'd get NOTHING.
 
Hah hah, gotcha Adam. So would you say the second season or so is a better starting point?

I would still watch season 1. It's only 9 episodes, but the format and the actual quality of the visuals gets better after that. If you have Logo, you can access all of Season 7 and 8 online for free on their website.
 
Yup. She shoulda done the Cali debate. I have to admit I'm impressed, didn't think Sanders would actually do it, but there we go. Clinton got slightly too ahead of herself.

For any other politician it wouldn't have been getting ahead... But regardless she should realized who she is dealing with.

She has constantly underestimated just how much he is willing to burn shit to the ground if he can't get his way. She assumed time and time again, he wouldn't go there, do this, or say that. But he did. She's played how to handle Sanders this entire primary completely wrong.

It's on Sanders, for being irresponsible. But it doesn't really matter whose fault if the end result is where we are.
 

Crayons

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She's not on that train yet. Personally? I don't care if people smoke it or not. Do what they want with it. Supposedly, cannabis oil could help the pain I have in my eyes. And Ohio is working to legalize it for medical purposes. I'd be first in line to try it, because the pain I deal with on a daily basis is just UGH.

There are many reasons that I want marijuana to be legalized across this country, not only for medical purposes, but for recreational purposes as well

1) fuck you, it's my body
2) It was original made illegal because of the threat hemp had toward the paper industry. It was justified to the public using racist propaganda, changing the term from the more known "cannabis" to the foreign sounding "marijuana" to make it sound foreign and evil. It was painted as a black man's drug that they would use to seduce white women.
3) It is FAR less dangerous than alcohol and alcohol is legal. No one gets stoned and beats their wife to death. No one dies of a marijuana overdose. You don't get physical withdrawal symptoms like you do with alcohol addiction.
4) Marijuana and other drug laws are used to put black and latino men in jail. White kids get away with it. either they're let off by the cops because they're "good kids" or they get lighter sentences. We then put these people into private prisons and make a profit off of them, and then while in prison they become actual criminals. Bravo.
5) In some cases can be used in place of opiates, which are highly addictive, dangerous, and deadly.
6) it's not a fucking gateway drug. what a shitty argument

Drug laws are racist laws. Now that opiate use is a huge problem in white communities, NOW the sympathy is coming. No one gave a shit when it was black people using heroin. NOW it's "lets help our addicts" now that the face of an addict is a white suburban male and not a black urban one

Hillary wants marijuana rescheduled from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2. Whop-dee-fucking-do. You know what else is on schedule 2? Cocaine. Morphine. Meth. So, marijuana, cocaine, meth, and marijuana are on the same level according to Hillary.
 

royalan

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Bernie would get killed in a debate against Trump. Trump just spins his bullshit too fast, and Bernie's always been slow on the counter. Trump will counter every accusation of corruption with, "I'm a businessman! That's what we do! And now I'll do it for the country Crazy Bernie!" while throwing every Communist jab he can think of, true or not.

The only reason Bernie survives against Hillary is because she's not trying to tear him apart. Trump won't have any such reservations.
I kinda want to see it happen.
 

HylianTom

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Anyone else think the Trump v Sanders debate won't matter a lick if it ends up happening outside of maybe some neat GIFs?
I'm not stressed about it. We'll see one or two cycles of news out of it, some gifs, some false hopes and wistful/pained sighing over "what could've been" from Bernie fans, and then some other news story will displace it from the headlines.
 

Tubie

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Ah. I don't see how a bad pic translates as sexist, but that's just me. That being said, bad pics in general are used to grab attention. Regardless of age of the news in question, don't you know how often local outlets use this pic for Trump?



Very unflattering as well. Wouldn't call it sexist, just bad.

Of course you defend that shit by posting a picture of Trump.

I guess you are preparing to fully come out as a Trump supporter once Bernie is out.

I have some bad news if that bothers you. Trump supporters will have to find creative ways to defend their misogynist, racist, dumb, xenophobe, airplane bag full of puke of a candidate.
 

Maledict

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The problem is if Trump has any sense at all (which I think he does), every single question will be responded to by either:

A) attacking hillary, forcing Bernie to either defend her (never happening) or tacitly agree and make it harder to unify the party

B) making the 'we are both outsiders treated badly by the party', with the same result

Bernie is an idiot for doing this, and unlike Crab I think this has no good result either for him or for her. Trump is the only person that profits by this.
 
There are many reasons that I want marijuana to be legalized across this country, not only for medical purposes, but for recreational purposes as well

1) fuck you, it's my body
2) It was original made illegal because of the threat hemp had toward the paper industry. It was justified to the public using racist propaganda, changing the term from the more known "cannabis" to the foreign sounding "marijuana" to make it sound foreign and evil. It was painted as a black man's drug that they would use to seduce white women.
3) It is FAR less dangerous than alcohol and alcohol is legal. No one gets stoned and beats their wife to death. No one dies of a marijuana overdose. You don't get physical withdrawal symptoms like you do with alcohol addiction.
4) Marijuana and other drug laws are used to put black and latino men in jail. White kids get away with it. either they're let off by the cops because they're "good kids" or they get lighter sentences. We then put these people into private prisons and make a profit off of them, and then while in prison they become actual criminals. Bravo.
5) In some cases can be used in place of opiates, which are highly addictive, dangerous, and deadly.
6) it's not a fucking gateway drug. what a shitty argument

Drug laws are racist laws. Now that opiate use is a huge problem in white communities, NOW the sympathy is coming. No one gave a shit when it was black people using heroin. NOW it's "lets help our addicts" now that the face of an addict is a white suburban male and not a black urban one

This is probably an area I should have a better understanding and be more invested in, but every once in a while my middle class, white, cis-male gendered privilege raises it's ugly head. Like, I don't think anyone should go to jail for smoking pot. To say that I haven't taken part in it (recently) would be a lie. It's just not something that I'm educated enough on to be an effective advocate one way or the other. I know plenty of people who do it/have done it, but I actually don't know anyone who has gotten in trouble for it.
 

Crocodile

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There are many reasons that I want marijuana to be legalized across this country, not only for medical purposes, but for recreational purposes as well

1) fuck you, it's my body
2) It was original made illegal because of the threat hemp had toward the paper industry. It was justified to the public using racist propaganda, changing the term from the more known "cannabis" to the foreign sounding "marijuana" to make it sound foreign and evil. It was painted as a black man's drug that they would use to seduce white women.
3) It is FAR less dangerous than alcohol and alcohol is legal. No one gets stoned and beats their wife to death. No one dies of a marijuana overdose. You don't get physical withdrawal symptoms like you do with alcohol addiction.
4) Marijuana and other drug laws are used to put black and latino men in jail. White kids get away with it. either they're let off by the cops because they're "good kids" or they get lighter sentences. We then put these people into private prisons and make a profit off of them, and then while in prison they become actual criminals. Bravo.
5) In some cases can be used in place of opiates, which are highly addictive, dangerous, and deadly.
6) it's not a fucking gateway drug. what a shitty argument

Drug laws are racist laws. Now that opiate use is a huge problem in white communities, NOW the sympathy is coming. No one gave a shit when it was black people using heroin. NOW it's "lets help our addicts" now that the face of an addict is a white suburban male and not a black urban one

Hillary wants marijuana rescheduled from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2. Whop-dee-fucking-do. You know what else is on schedule 2? Cocaine. Morphine. Meth. So, marijuana, cocaine, meth, and marijuana are on the same level according to Hillary.

I'm not saying I disagree with anything you've said but even when recreational use of marijuana is legal, racism doesn't stop. Considering that would be like the primary reason I'd want it legalized (that and it might be some easy taxable income for the government) I can't say I'm super enthused.
 
Political non-starter at her level.

I think it will be one of those things that spreads quicker than you'd think.

Obama did not support gay marriage when he took office and was only legal in two states. It took some more time and bigger dominoes to fall for it to be the right time to effectively push for it.

I think California, Massachusetts, New York, and a few others to legalize if first before you get a president advocating for it on a national level.
 
But also you still have to suffer under the cruel yoke of Albany and its bizarre fixation with roads
Your telling me. I just was at the young dems convention. There is a lot of horrible stupid policy in the state. Still I wouldn't give it up for any thing.

There's this joy of walking around the city and hearing 2-3 languages on your way to the subway. there's so much life culture and new ideas from every where. And as small as it is, when you see ads for AIDS meds, condoms, ads in other languages, ads for for things that would be controversial in other places it reminds me of what government for the people can mean. It's like they actually care about helping people
 

User1608

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I really do hope the ball gets rolling on marijuana. I have never used any drugs for personal reasons but I absolutely support people's right to smoke some good stuff.
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The last time I was in NYC a homeless man told teen me I ruined his life. The pizza was amazing though!
 

Crayons

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This is probably an area I should have a better understanding and be more invested in, but every once in a while my middle class, white, cis-male gendered privilege raises it's ugly head. Like, I don't think anyone should go to jail for smoking pot. To say that I haven't taken part in it (recently) would be a lie. It's just not something that I'm educated enough on to be an effective advocate one way or the other. I know plenty of people who do it/have done it, but I actually don't know anyone who has gotten in trouble for it.

It's very interesting and I think you could benefit from reading into it. I actually know a TON about the drug war.

The CIA destroyed black communities with crack.
Not a crackpot conspiracy. Fact. The CIA needed to fund the contras in Nicaragua, so they made money smuggling cocaine. Reagan acknowledged this in 1986. That cocaine made its way all across America but especially into black communities.
 

Crayons

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While Nancy Reagan had her "Just Say No" to drugs campaign, the US government was funding contras to interfere in another country's (Nicaragua) politics by smuggling Nicaraguan cocaine into the United States, distributing it across the country, destroying black communities, enforcing stricter drug laws (Anti drug abuse act introduced minimum sentencing), and throwing minorities in jail at disproportionate rates for the same drugs that everyone was using (black people used crack, white people used cocaine, so crack was punished much more heavily though!) that their government brought into the country. Sometimes, private prisons for the added benefit of making money off the people who you've already victimized! Rest in peace Nancy Reagan, you were a lovely woman!
 
Adam you need to come to NYC, best city. And we have a ton of Ohio refugees
I would love to go to NYC. It would make me so happy... Which is why it won't happen. LOLOLOLOLOL self loathing and depression ftw

Y'all just know Huma had to be the one to tell Queen about this first thing n the morning.

I'm a nervous wreck about the June Thread. I'm not making any art so set your expectations low and I'll fail to meet them.
 
If Bernie went along, I think even Ted Cruz would be more popular in the Senate than Bernie lol. Not gonna happen.

Paul Manafort's interview is far more interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-election_us_574619eee4b0dacf7ad3e201?vqp8pvi

The vice presidential pick will also be part of the process of proving he’s ready for the White House, Manafort said.

“He needs an experienced person to do the part of the job he doesn’t want to do. He seems himself more as the chairman of the board, than even the CEO, let alone the COO.”

“There is a long list of who that person could be,” Manafort added, “and every one of them has major problems.”

The campaign probably won’t choose a woman or a member of a minority group, he said. “In fact, that would be viewed as pandering, I think.”
 
I was looking up Obama's comments on people criticizing the Democrats that voted for Roberts' appointment back in 2005 and this was an interesting and relevant bit:

…to the degree that we brook no dissent within the Democratic Party, and demand fealty to the one, “true” progressive vision for the country, we risk the very thoughtfulness and openness to new ideas that are required to move this country forward. When we lash out at those who share our fundamental values because they have not met the criteria of every single item on our progressive “checklist,” then we are essentially preventing them from thinking in new ways about problems. We are tying them up in a straightjacket and forcing them into a conversation only with the converted.

It truly does burn me up how phony this guy is. When one of his surprisingly good appointments, like Gary Gensler as an example, does good things on regulation and halfway redeemed himself for his shilling in the Clinton administration...Obama shows him the door and appoints yet another ideologue who simply refuses to follow what's in his job description as a public official. Nobody is demanding fealty to the one "true" vision. They're asking you to stop shilling and playing the people for suckers. This dude is a total hack LOL.
 

aTTckr

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So did Bill Clinton tell Trump in their latest phonecall discussing Trump's presidential run that the time has come for Trump to take out Bernie for good by participating in a debate with him?
 

thebloo

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LOL - Damn, Rachel Maddow doing a great job ripping apart how fucking stupid the system Hillary was supposed to have followed regarding her emails is.

She was really expected to print out and store EVERY email she sent and received. Damn ridiculous.

Pls print.

Did Bernie just become his subreddit?
 
Hillary wants marijuana rescheduled from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2. Whop-dee-fucking-do. You know what else is on schedule 2? Cocaine. Morphine. Meth. So, marijuana, cocaine, meth, and marijuana are on the same level according to Hillary.

Yup, totally ridiculous. If she's gonna pander do it right or not at all.
 
I've been reading Hillary's platform on her website.

I like what I'm reading except there's one thing I'm noticing isn't there. Legalize weed, Hillary.

If marijuana were legalized, it would be bad for business for the private prisons. Lobbying groups supporting the largest of the prison businesses donated quite a bit to Hillary Clinton's campaign.
 

Maledict

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If marijuana were legalized, it would be bad for business for the private prisons. Lobbying groups supporting the largest of the prison businesses donated quite a bit to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

I'm assuming this is sarcasm, but otherwise you appear to have actually missed the events of the last year. I.e. Clinton returning the money donated by private prisons and coming out against them?

(And it was never, ever a large part of her funding at all).
 
I'm assuming this is sarcasm, but otherwise you appear to have actually missed the events of the last year. I.e. Clinton returning the money donated by private prisons and coming out against them?

(And it was never, ever a large part of her funding at all).

She donated a small portion to a charity when the media called her out on it.
 
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