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Meh, I think if you checked, you could still find this poll to be more suspect. I prefer aggregates, but using them comes with the tacit assumption that each poll is at least going to be worth adding to the aggregate in the first place. If I ran around and did my own poll that showed Trump winning 90-10 (and then repeatedly did this, getting the same results) I think you would rightly be suspicious instead of just trusting an aggregate with my polls in there.

You're probably right. My point is that people aren't going to check. Or at least, they're less likely to. If Rasmussen polls that show Trump up are worth disecting, so should be Rasmussen polls showing Trump down.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
12 days.

12 days and I never have to see another BernieBro in OT ever again. Praise Yeezus.

What reality are you living in?
12 days and they will become endangered, pissed off, species.
It will probably be weeks before most of them either see the reality of the situation, or give up posting.

There will still be that very few who just don't give it up.

That being said, I won't gloat to most of his supporters. But there are a few here that it will be tempting, lol.
Sanders himself, i'll throw a party for him going back to Vermont. He was always the best candidate for president of Vermont.
 
What reality are you living in?
12 days and they will become endangered, pissed off, species.
It will probably be weeks before most of them either see the reality of the situation, or give up posting.

There will still be that very few who just don't give it up.

That being said, I won't gloat to most of his supporters. But there are a few here that it will be tempting, lol.
Sanders himself, i'll throw a party for him going back to Vermont. He was always the best candidate for president of Vermont.

I'm going to save my gloating for election night.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Every cycle there's bumps and every cycle people lose their shit over them. Is there a PredictIt market for if this thread and the OT lose their shit when Trump gets a bump out of the convention?

Yeah, I don't quite understand why some of those events have such an influence in polls.
But it's a pretty well established phenomenon.


Oh, I finally watched the first Hunger Games and now get all the references in the Colbert skit.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
What's an unrealistically-optimistic prediction of House/Senate seats that would make my liberal D dry like concrete?

Trump will have to self destruct for the Dems to take back the house. Although, amusingly, that is a feasible scenario.

I think the Senate is inevitable at this point.
 
You're probably right. My point is that people aren't going to check. Or at least, they're less likely to. If Rasmussen polls that show Trump up are worth disecting, so should be Rasmussen polls showing Trump down.

You're right.

Rasmussen is wrong again, Trump is actually in the lead!
 

NeoXChaos

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What reality are you living in?
12 days and they will become endangered, pissed off, species.
It will probably be weeks before most of them either see the reality of the situation, or give up posting.

There will still be that very few who just don't give it up.

That being said, I won't gloat to most of his supporters. But there are a few here that it will be tempting, lol.
Sanders himself, i'll throw a party for him going back to Vermont. He was always the best candidate for president of Vermont.

its going to be hard to not gloat to a certain few supporters.
 

teiresias

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What's Ryan saying right now? I can't hear the cafeteria TV from where I'm sitting and the captions are off (not that they're worth a damn for live content anyway).
 
A Utah man says he was attacked Sunday at his local Walmart by another man outraged that he’d taken his five-year-old daughter with him into the restroom, local TV station KSL reported.

As Christopher Adams told the news station, soon after he arrived at the store in Clinton, Utah to buy blinds and storage bins, both 7-year-old Kyler and 5-year-old Emery told him they needed to use the bathroom. Not wanting to leave either of them alone, he brought both children into the men’s restroom.

Adams said a man then entered the restroom and started verbally harassing him for bringing a girl into the men’s room, calling it “inappropriate” and “dropping the ‘F-bomb."

He said the man assaulted him as he tried to escort his children away from the scene.

“When I turned back around, I got sucker-punched,” Adams told KSL.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/utah-man-alleges-assault-daughter-walmart-bathroom

What a year we're having.
 

Crayons

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I had a final today and I didn't sleep but I wasn't studying I was writing a paper that I've known about for months .I studied for the final for a whopping one hour, mostly on the bus.

Oh, Crayons. Why do you do this to yourself? And I have another big paper due tomorrow too and I still haven't slept
 

Hindl

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It is very hard to draw a line and the current drug schedules we have are completely arbitrary and unfounded. For example,heroin is schedule 1 (totally illegal) but morphine is schedule 2 and is used for medicinal purposes. They're literally the exact same thing, just in 2:1 ratios. Heroin is also known as diamorphine. So 1mg heroin = 2mg morphine. You think it's because it's more potent? Nope, fentanyl is a legal prescription drug and it is magnitudes higher in potency than either of those. So I guess heroin is illegal just because of the name? In other countries they can just prescribe you heroin

I would want all possession of drugs decriminalized because I dont believe in punishing victims. When drugs are illegal, then criminals are making huge profits. Make them less illegal and you can cut out a huge chunk of the Mexican and colombian drug cartels source of money. They cause so much violence not only in their own countries but all across the US. Cut off their source of money.

Ok, I understand that. I agree with a lot of what you said, just not sure I'm ready to go full decriminalization for everything. But thanks for responding that's definitely a different perspective that I'll have to look into
 
Rasmussen? Anyone wanna read the cross tabs and tell me why I shouldn't believe this poll?

#TeamFollowTheAggregatesInsteadOfRelyingOnCrossTabsToDiscreditScaryPolls #TeamTooLongHashtags

Agreed. I mean, it's Rasmussen and we know it sucks, but I don't like watching people see a poll that gives an unfavorable result and respond by looking for ways to discredit it. That's how you end up with Unskewed Polls. The aggregates are what matters.
 

NeoXChaos

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Kyle Kondik ‏@kkondik 1h1 hour ago
3. We saw how terrible the 2010-2014 midterms were for Dems, and there's little reason to think 2018 would be any different

Kyle Kondik ‏@kkondik 1h1 hour ago
2. Let's say Clinton wins the White House. He(Cordray) would have to run for OH-GOV in what would probably be a challenging midterm (2018)
Kyle Kondik ‏@kkondik 1h1 hour ago
Kyle Kondik Retweeted T.J. Basalla
Sure could be. If Rs win the governorship in 2018, by 2022 they will have controlled OH-GOV for 28 of 32 years

wow OhioGAF. Strickland has been your only Democratic Governor in a generation.
 
Trump trails 46-39 among middle class rust-belt voters:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-26/bloomberg-politics-rust-belt-poll

It's not looking good.
Niiiice. So much for that meme (for now)

Guess who's viewed more favorably than unfavorably among this group? Obama, Bill Clinton, Sanders. Two of those will come out swinging for Hillary. Possibly three. Even if Hillary herself isn't a great candidate, she'll have amazing surrogates.

E: Bernie fundraisers for Feingold

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...rs-fundraises-for-feingold-in-wis-senate-race

Could be a snarky asshole and throw $1 bills at him, but whatever, I appreciate it.
 

And this is an insane powder keg that's a bit dangerous. Remember, that wacko that attacked this dad and his kids is also likely a huge 2nd Amendment nut, and if he'd had a gun, who knows what happens. This shit is abhorrent.

Agreed. I mean, it's Rasmussen and we know it sucks, but I don't like watching people see a poll that gives an unfavorable result and respond by looking for ways to discredit it. That's how you end up with Unskewed Polls. The aggregates are what matters.

Again, though, while I prefer aggregates, it's perfectly fair to think about outliers. I get it, the numbers from Ras aren't as extreme sounding as 90-10 Trump, but that's what stats are for! It's possible (and after 2012, probable) that Ras is just a plain old shitty pollster. I haven't looked to see if that's true, but there's nothing wrong with looking.

I can throw off an aggregate pretty easily. But unskewing can be bad. The better words of wisdom is to check both since it's not that hard :p
 

Holmes

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I had a final today and I didn't sleep but I wasn't studying I was writing a paper that I've known about for months .I studied for the final for a whopping one hour, mostly on the bus.

Oh, Crayons. Why do you do this to yourself? And I have another big paper due tomorrow too and I still haven't slept
You fucked up.
 
What's an unrealistically-optimistic prediction of House/Senate seats that would make my liberal D dry like concrete?

The best case scenario is about ten seats, if Trump is completely blown out by Hillary. Realistically, probably six or so.

For the House? Still gerrymandered to hell and back, but a couple of states have changed their maps because of litigation, not to mention demographics have changed in the past six years, so some Republican strongholds might be more competitive this year. In 2012, after redistricting and a presidential election, Democrats had 201 seats. Optimistically, I hope we're able to match that number, or at least gain a couple more seats.
 

Bowdz

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Niiiice. So much for that meme (for now)

Guess who's viewed more favorably than unfavorably among this group? Obama, Bill Clinton, Sanders. Two of those will come out swinging for Hillary. Possibly three. Even if Hillary herself isn't a great candidate, she'll have amazing surrogates.

E: Bernie fundraisers for Feingold

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...rs-fundraises-for-feingold-in-wis-senate-race

Could be a snarky asshole and throw $1 bills at him, but whatever, I appreciate it.

I really think Bernie deserves credit for helping fundraise for Feingold. It is certainly late in the game, but better late than never. Even if Sanders is a lackluster surrogate for Clinton, he'd do a lot of good using his donor list to fundraise for down ballot races in the general.
 
The issue with Ras--and the reason I do discount them in polls and poll aggregates--is not only have they been provably shitty but they were so prolific that they really threw off the aggregate. So until they actually poll an election well I'm taking them out. All the other sucky pollsters (Zogby etc.) work like outliers should--they wash out of the poll average over time.
 
I really think Bernie deserves credit for helping fundraise for Feingold. It is certainly late in the game, but better late than never. Even if Sanders is a lackluster surrogate for Clinton, he'd do a lot of good using his donor list to fundraise for down ballot races in the general.
I think if Clinton did pick Warren that would do great things for getting Sanders totally on board.
 
Again, though, while I prefer aggregates, it's perfectly fair to think about outliers. I get it, the numbers from Ras aren't as extreme sounding as 90-10 Trump, but that's what stats are for! It's possible (and after 2012, probable) that Ras is just a plain old shitty pollster. I haven't looked to see if that's true, but there's nothing wrong with looking.

I can throw off an aggregate pretty easily. But unskewing can be bad. The better words of wisdom is to check both since it's not that hard :p

I like the approach of weighting polls based on track record. If you want to exclude some polls from the aggregates I'd just say to make sure you develop objective criteria for doing so in advance.
 

PBY

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Sanders chief Jeff Weaver tells MSNBC that they are talking to Trump campaign about debate

WEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 

teiresias

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Sanders chief Jeff Weaver tells MSNBC that they are talking to Trump campaign about debate

WEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It's a moot point whether Trump will actually debate or not, if the Sanders campaign is actively engaging with and planning with the Trump campaign, then the DNC needs to come down hard as hell on this BS. Lock Sanders out of the convention completely, give nothing on the platform, and strip him of any power when he returns to the Senate.
 

PBY

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It's a moot point whether Trump will actually debate or not, if the Sanders campaign is actively engaging with and planning with the Trump campaign, then the DNC needs to come down hard as hell on this BS. Lock Sanders out of the convention completely, give nothing on the platform, and strip him of any power when he returns to the Senate.

I mean... I kind of agree but they can't do that. Philly would get berned to the ground.
 
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