benicillin
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Yup, pretty spot-on with this assessment. If any paper or site I ever wrote for pulled the same stuff Gawker has I'd 100% expect to get sued for it - deservedly so.
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Yup, pretty spot-on with this assessment. If any paper or site I ever wrote for pulled the same stuff Gawker has I'd 100% expect to get sued for it - deservedly so.
No, but the editorial board of an organization is supposed to act in the public good. What good does the public get from outing a random person? They routinely ignored every ethical rule journalists set out for themselves and only got away with it because no one they targeted had the money to mess with them until now.
There's a pretty big difference between you and I talking about someone being secretly gay and an actual news organization doing it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, leaking sex tapes should be a huge crime.
NYCmetsfan
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Shit is deplorable. I don't want the state shutting down news outlets though
NYCmetsfan
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Who determines the public good? Its a meaningless term most of the time. We've never shut down tabloid rags for rumormongering about celebrities, their sexuality, who they're sleeping with, etc.
And I think "actual news organization" doesn't matter to the 1st amendment.
Neither do I, but they got rightly sued for what they did. I had no problem with this outcome before discovering Theil was behind it, did you? Him being behind it definitely makes me less happy about the outcome, but the system still worked.
Public figure vs private figure distinction defends them. They'd get sued into oblivion if they did that shit about a random person.
They got sued by a citizen in civil court.
benicillin
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That's the reason journalists go to school, have a code of ethics and an editorial board is formed - to help determine what 'the public good' means. And sometimes, like in Gawkers case, they flagrantly ignore it for their own benefit. And then they get sued, as they should. Just because Gawker is a "news organization" doesn't mean anything they do is free from criticism or consequence.
NYCmetsfan
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My point is that journalism's internal rules shouldn't determine legal speech.
And I mean even if we take the sex tape to be a invasion of privacy the other stuff clearly doesn't violate laws and was legal.
The NYT published false stuff that got us in the iraq war, the enquirer publishes trash every week, Rolling stones published the rape story. Neither of these are sued. One story shouldn't be means for a rich dude to game the system and shut down and outlet by and large following the law
Macho Madness
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http://fusion.net/story/306927/pete...IsFusion&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social
I think this is a pretty good explainer why I think the Thiel thing sets a dangerous precedent.
It's not about Gawker specifically.
I think this is a pretty good explainer why I think the Thiel thing sets a dangerous precedent.
It's not about Gawker specifically.
NYCmetsfan
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Okay yeah right.
That is some stretched logic.
Gawker didnt realize going against a direct court order would get them in legal trouble? And that is the one single legal mistake Gawker did so Thiel could pounce on them?
Yeah right. SO OTHER SCARED NEW ORGANIZATIONS, DON'T DISOBEY A DIRECT COURT ORDER TO TAKE DOWN A SEX TAPE. AND BRAG ABOUT IT.
And they don't, but there is also a series of laws meant to protect the general public from journalists. We're not meant to be all powerful. There are legal limits to what we are able to write, a more famous example is from the Georgia Olympics in 1992. The newsmedia implicated Richard Jewel, who had been hailed as a hero due to his actions in discovering the bomb, as a major suspect in the bombing. When he was cleared he sued pretty much everyone and they all had to settle, luckily he just wanted his name cleared. Had he been out to do damage he could have taken out half of the media establishment, including NBC, CNN and the NYPost.
They were, for $25 million.
benicillin
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I'm pretty sure Rolling Stone was sued for the rape case, actually.
NYCmetsfan
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I'd love to here meta's thoughts on this. I think me and him have similar absolutist views on speech (as does the current court). Though we obviously disagree on money and its role as speech
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Gawker moves too fast, it can't think about the legal implications of committing a sex crime.
Sure.
Outdoor Miner
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There is clearly some fraud taking place. I demand that 10 officials of Bernie's choosing perform a recount of this recount. Cornel West you're up!
Spoiled Milk
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I remember 3 years ago when Texas state representative Wendy Davis brought 100s of protestors into the Texas legislature and had them shout so loudly that they could not hold a vote to practically outlaw abortion statewide.
The revolution!
And yet now we're throwing chairs at democratic conventions. What a waste of energy. I want to see some real, serious civil disobedience broadcasted day and night on the tv fighting against the real villains, not phantom fraudsters.
The revolution!
And yet now we're throwing chairs at democratic conventions. What a waste of energy. I want to see some real, serious civil disobedience broadcasted day and night on the tv fighting against the real villains, not phantom fraudsters.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's been a running joke for months now.
Sanders is doing a great job making me want DWS to stay as chair.
That's party unity? You might have an argument assuming DWS did something wrong with Nevada or the Response on it.
Sanders can never just call for unity, everything has to be prefaced or suffixed with a "but".
Even without that part, if it means the fringe "news" is gone, and real news organizations start again vetting their work and not publish whatever they can find on reddit, facebook, twitter it would be a step in the right direction.
I don't think anyone will disagree with this. I just don't think it would have changed the outcome at all. Gawker still did what they did, their editors are still major shitlords and they still have no respect for a person's right to privacy.
NYCmetsfan
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I mean I hate to say it but I refuse to believe people really care about hulk hogans sex tape and the morals about posting it. it seems like people just not wanting to be on the side of who the internet hates
people just don't like gawker for most of their legally proper posts that they disagree with morally. its a means to an end which is the problem!
people just don't like gawker for most of their legally proper posts that they disagree with morally. its a means to an end which is the problem!
User 463088
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Weaver reminds me of me...after I've had way too many alcohols and I've lost an argument but, gosh darn it, in my mind I'm rocking it.
Also, there was a poll out of Virginia. Not sure anyone posted it. It's Gravis, so LOLOLOLOLOL
Queen 45 / Small Hands 41
I only cared when they refused to comply with a court order and then the racist tirade got 'leaked' somehow.
Also I was interested due to how they outed their competitors CEO EVEN after they were in legal trouble.
They did all of this while bragging about being protected by unionizing and free speech, not even answering the ethical questionabilites of their actions.
Spoiled Milk
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I care. Gawker got hold of a personal sex tape and then ridiculed Hulk Hogan online, even after he implored them to stop. They doubled down. So fuck them, they deserve to die.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Do you really think I care about which side the internet hates? People in this thread are Hillary supporters for christ's sake. Hillary is hated by the entire internet.
Honestly, I'm a little offended at that. (We're still good for the game tho right?) If I had worked there I would have quit, sex tapes aren't news. You can justify writing about one, but not posting the actual sex tape. That's not even counting the fact that they felt outing people was news.
Them outing the Conde Nast CFO was a big red line they stepped over and I wish he had been the one to plunge the sword in their heart.
whyamihere
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Motion to report all GE polls as "Queen / Small Hands". Do I have a second?
Second.
NYCmetsfan
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I don't mean every person. Just the vibe I get from threads where the postings far outnumber I think people who actually care. The condi nast thing is a horrible thing. But that's not the hogan case and I think, again, bringing in unrelated things is bad. The times has done some horrible stuff too!
And yeah we're good for the game haha I'll message you tonight or tomorrow. Gotta figure out my housing
I will say, I don't care about Gawker OR the sex tape. I just also don't care about somebody who does care about Gawker taking advantage of their legal fuckups to attack Gawker, really.
Ultimately they're not shutting down a news outlet. All of the Gawker websites can stay up and the staff can keep printing stuff. They're attributing liability to the corporation that pays them. I know that sounds like a fake distinction but I think it's actually pretty meaningful in this case. If the court had actually said "can't publish stuff any more because you're a bad website" I would definitely be worried about that.
RastaMentality
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That protest in the Texas legislature was so powerful. I had almost forgotten it. Sad she had to kill her legacy by running for governor after.
NYCmetsfan
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anyways this is an actual politico article
stop bernie
stop bernie
whyamihere
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Now we'll take a voice vote.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Profiles in courage on both sides of this interview.
NYCmetsfan
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So if a lawsuit intentionally seeks damages large enough to kill a publication we're pretending that's not the intent?
Black Mamba
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Anecdotal for me says you're wrong. I've talked with people who are not internet savvy and don't know what the fuck gawker is and cheered the verdict.
I bet most people think hawker crossed the legal line and a lot of them know shit about the website.
If Bernie vs trump debate happens, then I hope Bernie is put in the senate closet next term.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I8soRz1cAA
He's not on yet, but here's the Small Hands stream for those who care
He's not on yet, but here's the Small Hands stream for those who care
Yea I saw in the NYC community thread, I can grab the tickets if you wanted. Should be a good game given Orlando's coming off a nail biter and NYCFC is looking for redemption after that clubbing.
I don't necessarily disagree. Gawker's done a lot of fucked up shit over the years so a lot of people likely look at it like they just got Capone on tax fraud.
There's a pretty interesting balance I've become aware of since I started working in the field between free speech and a person's right to privacy. It doesn't come up often, most stuff just gets fact checked to make sure we spelled people's names right, but when it does it's an interesting conversation. It generally centers around justifying the story in some way, I imagine those conversations would be even more heated if it were a negative story.
I'd recommend taking a look at the 92 Olympic bombing, Richard Jewel and the coverage surrounding that. It's a pretty good primer on how these lawsuits usually go. It's a clear cut libel case, but there are vague similarities. It's very hard to sue a news organization and win, you pretty much need to prove they massively fucked up, even he had to take settlements.
Spoiled Milk
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It's not the court's fault that the publication in question does not earn enough revenue to cover the cost of damages it incurred.
I watched it live! I was really proud of my country, for a second.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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He's also taking media questions.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Why do people watch car chases in America?
There's like a 10% chance you're watching basically a snuff film.
There's like a 10% chance you're watching basically a snuff film.
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