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Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
On another note: Hillary supporters! I asked this before, but it's time to ask this again. What is the single most important issue for you this election cycle? You may be somewhat broad.

I just want the Supreme Court safe and sound. We need to survive the death throws of the GOP and secure progressive ideals for a generation. I don't really have one issue that's driving me. I feel like there's a general progressive force that is gaining steam in our country and between Obama's steady hand and the Supreme Court, we're getting there. Right now I just want calm, rational, and progressive leadership to keep winning out over the dumpster fire that is American conservatism.
 
I'm not sure if I'd say "most important" but I think student loan debt is a crazy important issue that I'd like to see more focus on. I think we've got a giant generation of young Americans who are delaying on buying houses, buying cars, and starting families because they're in debt for tens of thousands of dollars on degrees that they haven't been able to leverage enough to pay off the debt. I think it's a time bomb and I don't really see a solution beyond some sort of loan forgiveness.
 

Iolo

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The Republican National Committee is pouring $750,000 into a post-convention bash in Cleveland featuring a performance by Journey, two sources confirmed for POLITICO.

Roger Stone In Love
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
The most important issue by far is down-ballot electoral gains in the house and senate. Global Warming, Income Inequality, the Student Loan crisis, military adventurism, SCOTUS ... it all starts there.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
On another note: Hillary supporters! I asked this before, but it's time to ask this again. What is the single most important issue for you this election cycle? You may be somewhat broad.
Not letting a republican appoint the next Supreme Court justice.

Not plunging the world into global recession on pointless trade wars just to show swagger.
 
I'll say a public mandate that rebukes the GOP and their current crazy philosophy. When Hillary wins, it'll hopefully shatter the argument that the majority of Americans support their shit.

With Obama, they could pass it off as people getting hoodwinked. Not gonna happen with a Clinton. We know who we're voting for, and the white nationalist will lose. As a country, we need to push back hard on the current right-wing philosophy.

Edit: This is to answer Kristoffer's question.
 

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
One big issue for me is overhauling our education system. I don't think school funding should be so reliant on property taxes. As a guy who grew up in the middle of nowhere and went to a school that was falling apart, it's crazy to me to see the increase in quality for the schools here in Boise. I feel like it rigs the system pretty early on if poor people don't get access to the same quality of schooling as people in affluent areas.
 
For me it's the public option and medical pricing reform of one sort or another. Pharmaceuticals need to cost less, procedures need to cost less, and patients need to be able to find out ahead of time what they're going to be paying. We shouldn't have a procedure cost $5,000 at one hospital and $40,000 at another.
 
One big issue for me is overhauling our education system. I don't think school funding should be so reliant on property taxes. As a guy who grew up in the middle of nowhere and went to a school that was falling apart, it's crazy to me to see the increase in quality for the schools here in Boise. I feel like it rigs the system pretty early on if poor people don't get access to the same quality of schooling as people in affluent areas.

Ugh, I totally get you there. This is one of the things that gets me. Ohio schools are funded through levies...that the Ohio Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional. But they still exist to this day. A few years ago, we had to fight tooth and nail to get a tiny levy passed (I think it was 2% might have been less...) Without it, we'd have been totally fucked. It barely passed. It's offensive that we don't have a better system.
 

Emarv

Member
I'm not sure I have a biggest issue. They're all so important. Immigration, rising healthcare costs, etc.

I guess income inequality is probably number one, but then again I don't really love either Democratic candidate on that issue.



Oh wait, I change my answer!
 
A reminder to everyone that didn't believe me when I said that there were many areas of overlap between Bernie and Trump supporters with respect to isolationism and anti-globalism. Called me nuts. And yet...

On another note: Hillary supporters! I asked this before, but it's time to ask this again. What is the single most important issue for you this election cycle? You may be somewhat broad.

SC, presidential competency
 

Hexa

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A reminder to everyone that didn't believe me when I said that there were many areas of overlap between Bernie and Trump supporters with respect to isolationism and anti-globalism. Called me nuts. And yet...

On another note: Hillary supporters! I asked this before, but it's time to ask this again. What is the single most important issue for you this election cycle? You may be somewhat broad.

Infrastructure. The National Infrastructure Bank is too little too late, but it's the best offer on the table so I'll take it.
 
Nate destroys some misconceptions:
Clinton is winning by 2.9 million popular votes, *counting* votes from caucus states.

If all states held primaries instead of caucuses, Clinton might already have clinched the nomination, we estimate.

Clinton would also win if all states had *open* primaries. Popular vote margin would shrink, but her delegate margin would hold steady/grow.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/735894414569115648
 

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Hey! I voted against bush. Twice! I did my part.

To my eternal shame, I voted for Bush in 2000. I don't know why older and smarter people than me believed it, but there was a story going around that Al Gore wanted to turn the majority of Idaho into a national park and effectively kick everyone out, and I being a dumb 18 year old, bought into it. Four years, a 9/11 and two wars later and my world view and understanding of politics was vastly different. Election night 2004 was such a sad night.
 
People love that patriarchal, alpha male bullshit. It's the foundation of the conservative movement, in my eyes, and their hate for "pussy liberals".

The last time we had this focus on toxic masculinity in the GOP, a serial child rapist was Speaker and we invaded Iraq for no reason whatsoever.
 
The Supreme Court, to ensure that social issues remain taken care of, and that innocent people's rights don't get trampled by stupid red states who seem to pass laws out of spite these days.
 
I'm actually pretty cool with Bernie debating Trump, left Sanders soften Trump up a bit and waste some of his bullets.

But I think Trump is just pandering.


Politics polls
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North Carolina General Election: Civitas Institute Poll 5/21-23 Trump 39% (+3) Clinton 36%
 
One big issue for me is overhauling our education system. I don't think school funding should be so reliant on property taxes. As a guy who grew up in the middle of nowhere and went to a school that was falling apart, it's crazy to me to see the increase in quality for the schools here in Boise. I feel like it rigs the system pretty early on if poor people don't get access to the same quality of schooling as people in affluent areas.

Anecdotally, almost none of my teachers were qualified to teach their classes. I'm lucky that I understood the textbooks, but the teachers were all old hires from the 70s (when their degree requirements were much lower) and they shouldn't still be teaching now.

I only figured it out when my math teachers couldn't do problems that weren't in the textbook. Those books were old (which is fine in math) and they had basically memorized the answers instead of how to do them. Real eye opener.

Mississippi needs better standards.
 

OmniOne

Member
Why is Trump in North Dakota? He's already the the uncontested nominee, there is no primary there for Gop and its a Red State in the GE.

I'm so confused.
 
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Constitutional/institutional reform.

It's almost always the most important issue for any democracy. You care about issue x? You can't fix issue x if the mechanisms necessary to fix issue x are broken, or it becomes much more difficult to do so.

Then global warming, simply given the scale of the harm, then foreign policy from an internationalist perspective because e.g. the War on Terror has had more impact on human well-being than anything else America has done in the last two decades and sadly not in a good way, and then income inequality, because once you're past the kind of critical harm that is global warming/foreign policy, it is the most immediate and pressing problem facing America. SCOTUS is a means to an end to both, so more important in that sense, but that's not really a major policy area, you just win and you have it. It's not an issue so much as a one and done, I think it is pretty incommensurate to different policy areas you have to expend different amounts of political capital on. pigeon is right re: nuclear armageddon being important, but it is probably a moot point in that I don't think any of the candidates pose genuine risk (although none of them genuinely have much chance of implementing constitutional/institutional reform, so meh...).
 

Hindl

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I'm not sure if I'd say "most important" but I think student loan debt is a crazy important issue that I'd like to see more focus on. I think we've got a giant generation of young Americans who are delaying on buying houses, buying cars, and starting families because they're in debt for tens of thousands of dollars on degrees that they haven't been able to leverage enough to pay off the debt. I think it's a time bomb and I don't really see a solution beyond some sort of loan forgiveness.

Well in addition to this, there really needs to be a destigmatization of trade schools. Every kid today is conditioned to think a college degree is necessary for a successful life, and that working as an electrician, plumber, or other trade is beneath them. Then they go to college and have no idea what they want to do with their lives. Meanwhile, I know electricians that would pay a fresh high school graduate $15 an hour to learn the trade. Putting an emphasis on trade schools should be a big part of the student debt problem.
 

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Anecdotally, almost none of my teachers were qualified to teach their classes. I'm lucky that I understood the textbooks, but the teachers were all old hires from the 70s (when their degree requirements were much lower) and they shouldn't still be teaching now.

I only figured it out when my math teachers couldn't do problems that weren't in the textbook. Those books were old (which is fine in math) and they had basically memorized the answers instead of how to do them. Real eye opener.

Mississippi needs better standards.

Wow... yeah. That's real bad. At my high school, we only had to take Algebra 1 and Geometry, and every math class beyond that was an elective, so of course, we all chose to do fun stuff instead. When I finally realized that I should know math, I was in college trying to pass Math 025 and failing miserably. Never let a kid choose between art classes and math classes. Chances are good he'll fuck himself over.
 

HylianTom

Banned
The Supreme Court, to ensure that social issues remain taken care of, and that innocent people's rights don't get trampled by stupid red states who seem to pass laws out of spite these days.
I would've named SCOTUS, but figured I'd go with something more existential.

But damn if you're not right.. It's going to be miiiighty interesting when social conservatives realize that most of the court cases regarding their state-level actions will end in similar fashion. Their reactions are going to be something else.
 

PBY

Banned
Bernie Sanders
‏@BernieSanders
I am delighted that @realDonaldTrump has agreed to debate. Let’s do it in the biggest stadium possible.

And here we go dot gif
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Bernie Sanders
‏@BernieSanders
I am delighted that @realDonaldTrump has agreed to debate. Let’s do it in the biggest stadium possible.

And here we go dot gif

God above >.<

Does his team really think this is going to happen?
 
I had a final today and I didn't sleep but I wasn't studying I was writing a paper that I've known about for months .I studied for the final for a whopping one hour, mostly on the bus.

I did that once!

It wasn't fun. Also I think I bombed one of the two.

Roger Stone In Love

This makes me even more immeasurably glad that I'm not going to be in Cleveland until a week after the convention!

They're building it up so they can tear into Trump when he backs out.

For the sake of OT's collective soul not getting snatched, I hope to God you're right.
 
Well in addition to this, there really needs to be a destigmatization of trade schools. Every kid today is conditioned to think a college degree is necessary for a successful life, and that working as an electrician, plumber, or other trade is beneath them. Then they go to college and have no idea what they want to do with their lives. Meanwhile, I know electricians that would pay a fresh high school graduate $15 an hour to learn the trade. Putting an emphasis on trade schools should be a big part of the student debt problem.

Agreed. Although, I want to learn more on the subject. This seems like something that's so obvious, and I hear it from both sides so often, yet I don't see it happening. That tells me there must be something going on that I just don't understand. Some unknown unknown is floating around in there.

But yeah, the whole "everyone needs to go to college" idea is a huge part of any future student debt crisis. Just like "everyone needs to own a home" led to the big housing crisis. I mean, I'm admittedly not terribly well versed in the field, but from my understanding, there's an alarming degree of similarity between housing pre-2008 and student debt stuff now. The only thing that will make this turn out better if the bubble ever bursts is that I don't think the average person is going to be hurt as bad, because I don't think the big banks are as invested in the student loan market as they were in the housing market.
 
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