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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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Iolo

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Some info on counting time

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...t-make-take-days-to-1465332019-htmlstory.html

For those unfamiliar with California elections, polls close at 8 p.m. Tuesday and Los Angeles County then trucks (and sometimes choppers) all ballots to a central location before counting. Election day ballots typically don't even arrive until approximately 11 p.m. Pacific time. Until then, returns are early and preliminary. (But you can follow them here .)

This year, ballots postmarked by Tuesday will be counted beginning on Wednesday. So even when 100% of precincts are reported, 20% or so of the ballots will be left to count. It may take several days before we have an accurate assesment of voter turnout.
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Spoiled Milk

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pigeon said:
stuff proving Trump is racist
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No, I get all that, but "Trump Ughazi" made me think you were talking about the fraud charges, not the optics. Sorry for misunderstanding.

And even if we are talking about racism, I don't really see how different this is from everything else he's said. This is about as racist to me as his entire campaign announcement. My opinion of Donald Trump being a racist is exactly the same as it was a year ago because I'm just all out of shock at this point. How many people do you really think were on the fence about Trump this late and thought "ooph, yeah, I was ok with banning ragheads and creating the first religious tests in history, but the way he treated that judge is just crossing the line"?

NYCmetsfan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
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I chortled.
 
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itschris

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Biden now has a better chance of getting the nomination than Sanders:

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https://electionbettingodds.com/
 
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TheFatOne

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Man TYT is dangerous. Nearly died on my HC character because I was laughing while Cenk is having an aneurysm.
Zornack said:
Hot damn, I can't watch this. Is he always like this? He's totally unhinged.
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He's gotten progressively worse as the campaign has worn on, but he's more or less always like this.
 
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johnsmith

remember me
Kristoffer said:
No, I get all that, but "Trump Ughazi" made me think you were talking about the fraud charges, not the optics. Sorry for misunderstanding.

And even if we are talking about racism, I don't really see how different this is from everything else he's said. This is about as racist to me as his entire campaign announcement. My opinion of Donald Trump being a racist is exactly the same as it was a year ago because I'm just all out of shock at this point. How many people do you really think were on the fence about Trump this late and thought "ooph, yeah, I was ok with banning ragheads and creating the first religious tests in history, but the way he treated that judge is just crossing the line"?


I chortled.
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Slate had a good breakdown of why this different.

1. Trump is the nominee now. This is the first major controversy Trump has gotten himself into since he effectively clinched the Republican nomination. He's now associated with the party in a way that he wasn't when he made the other offensive comments. Republicans with their own reputations to protect no longer have any excuse not to respond to what he says.

2. This is exactly what Trump's allies have been saying he won't do anymore. Figures ranging from Ryan to Trump's own campaign chairman have been claiming for weeks that Trump is going to grow up, as it were, now that we're in general-election season. Top Republicans likely believe, and are justified in believing, that the kind of rhetoric Trump is directing toward Curiel is not going to help him get elected, and their public condemnations could be taken as signals to the candidate that he really needs to get his act together while there's still time.

3. Trump's comments were very clearly insulting to a very large electoral group. Muslims aren't a major voting bloc; while Trump's misogyny is readily apparent to anyone who has followed his career and campaign, he has generally avoided saying anything broadly offensive about women as a group; you can always try to get away with obnoxious comments about undocumented immigrants by claiming that you think legal immigrants are great. But calling a U.S. citizen like Curiel a "Mexican" sends a very clear message to every American of Latino descent: No matter what you do or how long your family has been here, people like Donald Trump will never consider you fully American. Meanwhile, there are roughly 27 million Latino voters in the U.S.

4. Curiel is a relatable and formidable foil. There's a famous quote apocryphally attributed to Stalin: "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." It's human nature to be more compelled by the story of one person than by generalizations about a group. Undecided voters suspecting that Trump is a little racist is one thing; undecided voters seeing Trump refer to an Indiana-born ex-prosecutor (who once had to live under protection on a naval base because he'd apparently been targeted for death by drug traffickers) as a "Mexican," then insinuating that he sympathizes with border-crossing criminals, is another.

5. Trump is human-whistling rather than dog-whistling. The Republican Party's electoral success relies on a coalition of white people that includes some who hold racist beliefs and some (many, even! Not all is lost) who do not. To avoid turning off nonracists while also keeping the racists aroused, Republican politicians use what are commonly referred to as dog whistles: statements that racist people would agree with that aren't plainly racist because they're about "culture" or, in the old days, "states' rights," rather than innate racial characteristics per se. (Here's a good example of such a statement. Here's another. And here is the best/worst one ever.) The GOP's official position is ostensibly welcoming to people like Gonzalo Curiel, a child of immigrants who got an education, worked hard, and made good. The fact that Republican policies generally make it harder rather than easier for nonwhite immigrants and their children to get good educations and good jobs is, according to the party line, simply a matter of the market determining outcomes rather than a product of racial animus. But in Curiel's case, Trump is breaking the party line and making that animus explicit.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...lves_from_trump_s_gonazalo_curiel_attack.html
 
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mo60

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Seth Abrams already has his headline prepared for tommorrow. I wonder if he will change it if the results don't go his way.

And lol at Cenk's reaction.
 
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Brinbe

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Holy fucking shit, what a joke. Cenk has no room to talk about the AP, he's an absolute embarrassment to the field of journalism.
 
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Tubie

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adam387 said:
Barney Frank ain't classy, but I do love him.

I gotta ask, it's come clean time: which of you is secretly my mother?

My mom: Damn, this wine's not strong enough if I have to listen about Bernie all night. I need cocktails.
Me: What do you want me to make?
My mom: You? I don't want you to make a damn thing. I'll make something drinkable.

: five minutes later :

My mom: Oh, fuck it, I've lived long enough. Make whatever you want. Knock yourself out.
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You need to make your mom a GAF account.
 
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pigeon

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Kristoffer said:
No, I get all that, but "Trump Ughazi" made me think you were talking about the fraud charges, not the optics. Sorry for misunderstanding.
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Oh, sorry. No, I doubt the fraud charges themselves are really going to matter a huge amount, which is part of why it's so amazing that Trump blew up the entire universe over it.

Kristoffer said:
And even if we are talking about racism, I don't really see how different this is from everything else he's said. This is about as racist to me as his entire campaign announcement. My opinion of Donald Trump being a racist is exactly the same as it was a year ago because I'm just all out of shock at this point. How many people do you really think were on the fence about Trump this late and thought "ooph, yeah, I was ok with banning ragheads and creating the first religious tests in history, but the way he treated that judge is just crossing the line"?
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So I think this is reasonable as well, but I think you and I were always very likely Democratic voters.

I think that there's a meaningful segment of consistent GOP voters who are really on the line on Trump. They hate Hillary because they've been trained to hate Hillary, but they don't think of THEMSELVES as racist, so it's hard for them to justify voting for an aggressive racist.

If they're quietly racist, it's probably justifiable. Even with Trump saying he wants to build a wall and keep out Mexicans, well, if that's the worst thing he says, maybe he's just really strong on immigration, I dunno. But every time he says another racist thing he's threatening their ability to turn out for Donald Trump and still feel like they're good people. So Trump is actively losing these people with every statement he makes. (And the fact that the GOP politicians are condemning their own nominee's rhetoric is going to hurt even more.)

I think there's another similar group on the other side -- unlikely Democratic voters. America's filled with unlikely or unregistered voters who would vote Democratic but can't afford the time and energy to get registered and then actually go get vote, or don't see much reason to bother to do so. A lot of those people are people of color, who naturally have less faith in our government in general.

Trump gives those people a very real reason to turn out. You're probably going to hear about Donald Trump no matter how disengaged you are, and you're going to hear just how terrible he is. Every one of these statements activates another bunch of Latinos who could be voters but just haven't felt motivated enough up til now.
 
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mo60

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Cenk is confusing pledged delegates and pledged delegates+ superdelgates which is the amount Hilary needs to win.LMAO.

I hope Cenk isn't hoping for Hilary to get indicted by the FBI.
 
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Paskil

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Bernie will suspend, but he won't actually quit. Then, on the night of the convention, Bernie will jump out on stage and shout BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE and the superdelegates will be convinced to swap sides.

Everyone will be stunned and shocked and the revolution will begin!
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
mo60 said:
Cenk is confusing pledged delegates and pledged delegates+ superdelgates which is the amount Hilary needs to win.LMAO.
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It's standard (until like a few hours ago) Sanders campaign speak.

The nomination is won by adding up pledged delegates and superdelegates. Clinton has a large lead in pledged delegates, and an even larger lead in superdelegates. You could rely entirely on one or the other, or change the weights between them in any fashion, and Clinton would still win. Sanders simply refuses to accept the combination of the two, instead changing subjects from one to the other. Ask him about the pledged delegates, and he brings up the superdelegates. Ask about the superdelegates, and he changes to the pledged delegates. It’s an infinite loop of bullshit.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/strange-ideas-why-bernie-deserves-nomination.html


Bonus Tweet:

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CoolOff

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I am so sick of seeing Cenk on What the Flicks GoT-reviews, he's the worst.

I'll keep watching because the rest of the group is awesome though.
 
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