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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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Joe Shlabotnik

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It's funny and perhaps telling that religion is the one thing he can barely bring himself to bullshit about. He doesn't understand it in the slightest and doesn't even try to sell it. He's a half step removed from saying "sure yeah religion's great, whatever."

Still legitimately doing well with evangelicals though, which also says something.
 
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Slacker

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Zornack said:
I'm getting tired of the narrative that dropping out is hard and that we have to give the candidate some time. The Republicans had no issues dropping out when it became obvious that Trump would get a majority of delegates and affirming the pledge they signed to support the Republican nominee.

Either this is an issue with Bernie or maybe, considering Hillary's actions in '08, it's just an issue with Democrats.
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There's a difference here, though. The Republicans you mentioned don't have any principles or convictions beyond "party first."
 
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pigeon

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So I think ultimately my disappointments with Bernie come down to three things:

* As noted, devaluing the process. It's really problematic for a large number of his supporters to come away with the idea that the system is rigged and antidemocratic. I am hopeful that it's not that many and that they'll calm down when he turns around and endorses.
* Being a bad socialist. Bernie has done a pretty lousy job of representing the policies I, as a socialist, want put into place. He's spent way more time on issues that I think are popular but not actually meaningful in moving towards UBI and the Star Trek future of superautomation and everybody just fucking around on starships irritating aliens because they have no productive work to do.
* Hating free trade. This is related to the previous point, but in general, free trade is not just important economically but also diplomatically. It's something we badly need to keep supporting, and I don't think the Democrats can be successful if they adopt an economically dumb policy.
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
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There's a difference here, though. The Republicans you mentioned don't have any principles or convictions beyond "party first."
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Thats more than what Bernie has. At least those losers realized the basic fact they lost. Its sad when Ted Cruz has more dignity.

How much time does Bernie need to land his plane? He's been running a campaign that had no chance of winning for 3 months. He's been crying about a process thats "rigged" against him, he lost the popular vote by over 15 points. He lost. Its only now the media decided to finally end this charade and him having no chance but to stubbornly admit it. He couldn't even acknowledge the history made last night by Hillary, he still can't even admit he actually lost.
 
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Dubbedinenglish

Banned
Emarv said:
"Remember when Obama led Amazing Grace in church during a eulogy? Nah, must be a Christian-hating Muslim faking it.

God told me Trump was his chosen leader and the one to lead our nation back to Godliness!" - My whole Facebook
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Remember when Obama's pastor was too radical? Def a card carrying evil Muslim.
 
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User1608

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UGH. Best guy friend shared that stupid illusion of free choice meme picture on FB. He's so wrong but such a sweet guy to me I'm not going to bother lol.
Emarv said:
I didn't cry during the speech, but that ad got me really emotional. Way more emotional than I was expecting.
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I'm a goddamn broken record but the inclusion of trans women in the video was incredible. I choked up a bit. Her speech made me go fuck yeeeeah throughout the night.
 
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User 463088

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Neo asked if I cried last night?

Ya.

I cried with the video, seeing the struggle that women have gone through to just be treated with the absurd notion that they're people. I cried when the video mentioned the fight trans women are going through EVERY SINGLE DAY just to use the fucking bathroom of their choice.

I cried when she stood there, on stage, eight years after getting so damn close. I cried because she earned it, through blood, sweat and tears. No one handed her shit. She worked for it. I cried when she thanked Bernie and his supporters (as self serving as it may be) she reaffirmed that she has more class and grace in her pinkie finger than he has in his entire body.

I cried when my mom teared up. She never thought a woman would be nominated, especially after 2008. I cried thinking about how much my dad wanted to vote for her, but she was finally going to get to run...hopefully like a girl.

I cried when my 93 year old neighbor, an African American woman, knocked on my door to ask if we heard Hillary won. This is the woman my mom personally took to the polls on primary day to make sure she could vote. I cried when the two of them hugged each other and when she said she never, ever thought a Black man and a woman would be given the opportunity to run for the highest office in the country.

I cried because she won through a multicolored, quiltbag of people. Her coalition is women, African American, Latinos, LGBT people, progressives, liberals, rich and poor. It's about bridges not walls. It's made up of people who have said fuck you to Islamaphobia, racism, sexism, homophobia and every other invention small minds can come up with.

And I kinda got happy because I realized Trump has no fucking idea what is about to be unleashed on him. She is the perfect person to run against an asshole like Trump. She's dealt with men like him her entire life. Small brains, small hands, big egos and even bigger mouths. And she will own his soul.

And then...today, it just hit me that after this moment, there will never be another girl who wakes up in this country and thinks she can't be President. Because she can! She can run like a girl, fight like a girl and win like a girl.

And it was because of us, the Democratic party, that it happened.
 
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darkside31337 said:
How much time does Bernie need to land his plane? He's been running a campaign that had no chance of winning for 3 months. He's been crying about a process thats "rigged" against him, he lost the popular vote by over 15 points. He lost. Its only now the media decided to finally end this charade and him having no chance but to stubbornly admit it. He couldn't even acknowledge the history made last night by Hillary, he still can't even admit he actually lost.
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If I look at the situation and assume the best, I think Bernie will drop after the DC vote just to fulfill his promise that everyone who wanted to vote for his little revolution will be able to. He then drops out that night.

Assuming the worst, he blows up the convention and anoints President Trump. I'm holding out hope he'll do the right thing. Either way I'm done with him forever.
 
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Paskil

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adam387 said:
Neo asked if I cried last night?

Ya.

I cried with the video, seeing the struggle that women have gone through to just be treated with the absurd notion that they're people. I cried when the video mentioned the fight trans women are going through EVERY SINGLE DAY just to use the fucking bathroom of their choice.

I cried when she stood there, on stage, eight years after getting so damn close. I cried because she earned it, through blood, sweat and tears. No one handed her shit. She worked for it. I cried when she thanked Bernie and his supporters (as self serving as it may be) she reaffirmed that she has more class and grace in her pinkie finger than he has in his entire body.

I cried when my mom teared up. She never thought a woman would be nominated, especially after 2008. I cried thinking about how much my dad wanted to vote for her, but she was finally going to get to run...hopefully like a girl.

I cried when my 93 year old neighbor, an African American woman, knocked on my door to ask if we heard Hillary won. This is the woman my mom personally took to the polls on primary day to make sure she could vote. I cried when the two of them hugged each other and when she said she never, ever thought a Black man and a woman would be given the opportunity to run for the highest office in the country.

I cried because she won through a multicolored, quiltbag of people. Her coalition is women, African American, Latinos, LGBT people, progressives, liberals, rich and poor. It's about bridges not walls. It's made up of people who have said fuck you to Islamaphobia, racism, sexism, homophobia and every other invention small minds can come up with.

And I kinda got happy because I realized Trump has no fucking idea what is about to be unleashed on him. She is the perfect person to run against an asshole like Trump. She's dealt with men like him her entire life. Small brains, small hands, big egos and even bigger mouths. And she will own his soul.

And then...today, it just hit me that after this moment, there will never be another girl who wakes up in this country and thinks she can't be President. Because she can! She can run like a girl, fight like a girl and win like a girl.

And it was because of us, the Democratic party, that it happened.
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I teared up watching the Hillary video I just linked. I also teared up reading your post. Especially the bold.
 
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Cesare Borgia

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Emarv said:
Trump asked on his belief in Christianity.

Not sure how many here have an evangelical background, but man. Karl Rove weaponized Christianity, but at least Bush sounded like he went to church as a kid. Trump sounds like he just heard about this Jesus guy from TV. Trump totally panders, and yet Obama and the Dems are the "fake Christians".




http://calthomas.com/node/985
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How does one be Presbyterian and Protestant. The man is a joke. And notice he's so narcissistic he cannot even say he needs a lot of forgiveness from God.
 
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nature boy

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AntraxSuicide said:
Pretend to be Republicans right now. How do you fix this nationally? You need minorities, but the only base you've got hates their guts so much they'll never share space with them. You basically have to choose right now; definitely get white racists or maybe chip into minorities.

Either way, you're damned for generations on the national scale. I legitimately don't know how I'd fix this. If I was dictator of the GOP (where my decisions were law, no matter what), then I'd force the resignations of almost every GOP member nationwide, then run my own chosen candidates in each district/state so that our image would be completely separate from anyone currently in office. Yes, those dog-whistle-using reps from Oklahoma always win their seats, but they have a terrible effect on people in other states that you'll never win as a GOP candidate. If the GOP ever wants more seats in purple/blue states, they've got to clean up their safe red seats.

But that would require some insane realignment from the party to allow that many people to fall on swords for someone's plan. They'd never do it.
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Of course they won't, the conservative base is so closed-minded and above all the "fall-in-line" principle is so rampant. Conservatives will tolerate Trump because of the Supreme Court (Chuck Todd brought that up yesterday, if Scalia didn't die what would the #neverTrump movement be like).

First you have to get rid of hacks like Bill O'Reilly and Hannity, but guess who's at the top? Roger fucking Alles.

The bottom line is there's a lot of money to be made hating the other side.

This is Twilight-zone stuff:
Gingrich praises Clinton's 'spectacular speech'

Mark Cuban has an interesting perspective on Trump's fundraising issues:

Mark Cuban ‏@mcuban 4h4 hours ago
1) I expect @realDonaldTrump to try to calm down. He doesn't have the cash to fund his campaign, he needs to appease donors quickly


2) he had less than 165mm in cash and falling for a campaign that will cost 750mm or more. He will have to grovel for that cash and will


3) the real fun/drama will come from all the "hidden" videos from his private fundraisers. He will say what they want to hear. Get ready !

4)the real "index" for this election will be RNC vs DNC fundraising.RNC will need less $ for POTUS but much more downstream to counter Trump

5) the reality is that @realDonaldTrump will be MORE beholden to donors than @HillaryClinton because his fund raising is so far behind
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VendettaRed07

Member
Hillary vs Bernie

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Obama vs. Hillary

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Cesare Borgia said:
How does one be Presbyterian and Protestant. The man is a joke. And notice he's so narcissistic he cannot even say he needs a lot of forgiveness from God.
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Presbyterianism is a Protestant denomination, so it's technically correct, just redundant. It'd be like saying I'm a Lutheran and also a Christian. The first implies the second so there's no reason to state it specifically. I think Trump knows so little about religion that he probably thought that the proper way to describe his belief system. .
 
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Crayons

Banned
Just spoke with a lady on the phone about a (different) job interview. Of course, right after hanging up I look it up and it's a scam. They ask for money and then more money etc

Fuck this bullshit.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Crayons said:
Just spoke with a lady on the phone about a (different) job interview. Of course, right after hanging up I look it up and it's a scam. They ask for money and then more money etc

Fuck this bullshit.
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Yea, it's rough out there. What are you looking for?
 
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Teggy

Member
Follow

Sam SteinVerified account
‏@samsteinhp
Sanders campaign just sent out a new fundraising email. "The struggle continues.”

Read into that what you will.
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How much of staying in the race is just covering debt?
 
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TopDreg

Member
I'm from Oregon. The delusion on my Facebook page regarding Bernie is so real. And now I'm trying to argue them with facts and logic. Ugh.
 
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Abinash117

Member
Mark Cuban isn't necessarily wrong. Trump as such little money that he'll need to appease donors. That in itself would be very difficult thing to do even if he softens his tone. I see a more softer Trump the one that reads the teleprompter and his typical self during the rest of the election.
 
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