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Indeed. Also great advice when applied to his supporters. Even the #BoB ones.
StopMakingSense
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Bernie will not be the VP 100%
VendettaRed07
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Hillary treats Bernie like she treats bottles on a shelf.
But unless someone puts up the money for a national "Leave Bernie Alone!!" campaign it's not going to stop.
People have had it with his shit, and that's entirely his fault.
He's been saying everyone deserves to vote so there is no reason to not wait another week, even if he is going to get crushed.
Yes. I'm not sure Bernie would even want to be a VP, or be in a role subordinate to Clinton... nor would Clinton want to deal with his bs as a vp.
User 463088
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Not at all. I agree. I'm actually not huge on Warren, but I support her as Veep for selfish/electoral reasons that I've made up in my mind so there.
plagiarize
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I'm giving him until the end of THIS week. DC is meaningless. He gains absolutely nothing staying in that way. It's just going to be one final embarrassing loss for him. His mantra for months was that he was going to ensure that the people of California got to vote. Not DC. He didn't say crap about DC until last night.
But I'm not going to call for him to drop until Monday. You might say two more days don't make a difference... but you can keep saying just two more... just two more.
He has lost the pledged delegate vote. He said the winner should be the person who won that. No one made him say that. It's done. He's got a few days to grieve before I start judging him for staying in.
User 463088
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To be fair, the margin may not have closed enough in California for him to care about the Golden State anymore.
TheLostBigBoss
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I just read on S4P that around a million+ ballots (provisionals and other mail ins) have yet to be counted
retroactive momentum?
retroactive momentum?
Dominican Power
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What about Corey Booker for VP?
Dubbedinenglish
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Clinton/ Lynch
Do it
Do it
plagiarize
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No. Retroactive FRAUD.
The voting at the booth yesterday was tied. Maybe Bernie will do better in the provisionals, but he did horribly in the mail in votes. He's not going to win 400,000 more of those million votes than Clinton. That'd be what, 700,000 or more? Not happening.
Never. How dare you!
RustyNails
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Too street
Macho Madness
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Guess who's baaaaaaaccckkk!!!!
How shocking.Guess who's baaaaaaaccckkk!!!!
Clinton already has black, Latino and Asian voters. The roles have flipped- Clinton inherited the Obama coalition, Sanders took the angry white voters.
The problem with young voters is that they're "disappointed" by Obama because they have literally no frame of reference at all for his presidency.
I like Corey Booker. He's young and extremely charismatic. He'd bring a lot of energy to her campaign.
and he's kinda hot.
I rarely see his name mentioned compared to others though, so I wonder if there's something I'm missing.
TheLostBigBoss
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Guess who's baaaaaaaccckkk!!!!
Rick?
shinra-bansho
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Hillary's demographic weakness is white men moreso than True Bernievers. Exits didn't show her really losing self-described liberals from memory.
So if we're talking optics and plugging holes, doesn't Kaine do that better than a Perez or Warren.
So if we're talking optics and plugging holes, doesn't Kaine do that better than a Perez or Warren.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I like Warren for finding a way to break through with her message about Income Inequality before even Sanders managed too. She is also far more pragmatic as evidenced by her staying out of the primary. Like a Bernie Sanders you can actually work with, lol.
I think Clinton is a better candidate for President.
Like it or not, being a good president is in part a mater of having the right contacts and getting the right people to help you. So far I have virtually no complaints with Clinton on that issue.
As to VP Talk, I think Xavier Becerra would be the best risky bet.
The sheer contrast with him and Trump will setup Democrats in the best possible way to move forward.
I don't however know where he stands Policy wise.
I think Clinton is a better candidate for President.
Like it or not, being a good president is in part a mater of having the right contacts and getting the right people to help you. So far I have virtually no complaints with Clinton on that issue.
As to VP Talk, I think Xavier Becerra would be the best risky bet.
The sheer contrast with him and Trump will setup Democrats in the best possible way to move forward.
I don't however know where he stands Policy wise.
As much as I'd love either of the two, Kaine would probably be best for maximum effectiveness. So yes.
whyamihere
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lol
@ScottWalker
Apparently "Fighting for Us" means those who gave to Clinton Foundation or who paid BIG speaking fees to Clintons.
Mi familia!
metalslimer
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I don't think those white men she is losing to Trump of all people would ever be swayed by a VP pick.
I'd want to know how swayable white men are. If he can help, that'd be fantastic.
(oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Clinton data/research team right now..)
User 463088
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But Hillary is a she witch dominatrix who won't let Kaine be a straight, white male. She'll stop him from ... drinking beer and...um...watching NASCAR? IDK what straight white men like, sorry...
My point is I don't know how much inroads she's going to be able to make with white men. if a Veep pick helps her drive up margins with a safer demographic group...maybe go that way?
To be clear, Kaine is not a hill I'm going to die on. He's fine. He's boring. He's safe. He's basically John Kerry a la 2004.
Says the Koch puppet
Yeah, it's true. Kaine helps with the white working class men problem. I think the point of Perez and Warren is they could potentially highlight Trump's rhetoric and drive up results with everyone but, as well as moderates.
But this would require white men to be open to her in the first place.
As one of them you are giving them too much credit.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Don't want to lose a senator.
Pick Eric Fanning, goddamnit! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Fanning
Current Secretary of the Army
Former:
Under Secretary of the Army
Chief of Staff to the Secretary of Defense
Secretary of the Air Force
Under Secretary of the Air Force
Deputy Under Secretary of the Navy
Plus he's gay! Make history twice in one presidency, Hillary.
Plus plus just look at the guy.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
They don't listen to Achy Breaky Heart either, but Adam likes to prove them wrong.
haha. Exactly. I was more asking than saying. With the stuff I hear (even from some more patriarchal Latino men), getting white men seems like a daunting task.
I like Warren a lot. She is clearly very smart, an excellent communicator, and has done more than Bernie to explain why the Democratic mission is really the socialist mission (rule 1 of feminine socialization management tactics, explain why you actually agree). I generally think she's very strong on the issues she talks about. I also appreciate her uncommon gift of mostly not talking about the stuff she knows she does not know about, like foreign policy.
If Warren had been twenty years younger when elected to the Senate I would be pushing right now to get her on the ticket so that she could be president eventually. Unfortunately she just can't get vetted enough in time for a run.
I think she would be fine as a VP. I am much more risk-averse than Cesare Borgia is because, as I've said, I think VPs are tail risks more than anything else, so my main focus is just not fucking up, and I worry about two old white ladies one of whom does not have that
much political experience. But in terms of shoring up the base and getting Bernie to go away quietly, she's good.
If Warren had been twenty years younger when elected to the Senate I would be pushing right now to get her on the ticket so that she could be president eventually. Unfortunately she just can't get vetted enough in time for a run.
I think she would be fine as a VP. I am much more risk-averse than Cesare Borgia is because, as I've said, I think VPs are tail risks more than anything else, so my main focus is just not fucking up, and I worry about two old white ladies one of whom does not have that
much political experience. But in terms of shoring up the base and getting Bernie to go away quietly, she's good.
shinra-bansho
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Yes, I'm not saying she's going to suddenly sway white men. But under the traditional plugging holes approach he makes more sense.
As noted above, under the perspective of doubling down on the contrast with Trump he makes more sense as a highly qualified pick with both legislative and executive branch experience.
From the perspective of winning moderates that this year are probably highly susceptible he makes more sense.
He comes from ostensibly a swing state compared to other names bandied about.
And he's already been vetted from memory as a potential Obama running mate.
It's basically a no brainer.
As noted above, under the perspective of doubling down on the contrast with Trump he makes more sense as a highly qualified pick with both legislative and executive branch experience.
From the perspective of winning moderates that this year are probably highly susceptible he makes more sense.
He comes from ostensibly a swing state compared to other names bandied about.
And he's already been vetted from memory as a potential Obama running mate.
It's basically a no brainer.
User 463088
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Way too inexperienced, but totally would. Lawd. Would I.
I'M ECLECTIC!
I also love Monster Trucks.
I like this post and generally agree with it.
Due budget cuts the remaining Sanders staff must resort to struggle sandwich for nourishment
Meanwhile, at Clinton Headquarters:
Listening to the Keepin It 1600 podcast, this is the exact same thought process many in the Obama camp had about him in 2008, before Obama picked Biden.
I think in the end for candidates it comes down to gut and relationship.
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