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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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balladofwindfishes

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i_am_ben said:
No doubt Hillary will get a consolidation bump, but I wonder how significant and prolonged the results of the FBI email investigation will be on her poll numbers.
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That has to be coming to an end soon, right? They interviewed everyone already, it seemed like they were getting ready to close it.
 
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Emarv

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i_am_ben said:
No doubt Hillary will get a consolidation bump, but I wonder how significant and prolonged the results of the FBI email investigation will be on her poll numbers.
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Anything short of an indictment (which won't happen) will not matter a hair or register with the mass public in any noticable way.
 
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gutter_trash

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Emarv said:
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I meant living Republican President
 
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Bel Marduk

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balladofwindfishes said:
Ultimately, I think Bernie is simply preaching to the choir. To people who were never going to vote anyway, who had never voted before, or had always just voted third party. I'm not all that worried that this will have any lasting effect on Hillary, especially now that Bernie has outed himself as just as delusion as his supporters, making it easy for the media and regular people, to just dismiss him entirely and his rants as simple ramblings of a sore loser.

I think we're looking for reasons to find problems and make big deals about meaningless things because there really isn't anything particularly interesting going on with the election right now besides Bernie's meltdown.
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I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
 
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Atomic Playboy

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Bel Marduk said:
I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
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That's certainly your prerogative, but if Trump gets elected President, you give up any right to complain about anything during the entirety of his Presidency. And I mean anything. The Nintendo NX gets delayed? Shoulda voted for Hillary.
 
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BitStyle

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Bel Marduk said:
I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
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But we live in a swing state, our votes are very important in this case.

Well I hope my vote will make up for your lack thereof.
I wish that Florida had their governor race this year as well, so king tyrant Rick Scott can gtfo sooner.
 
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Cheebo

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Bel Marduk said:
I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
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You know a lot of liberals in Florida said the same about Gore in 2000. That he was too corporate. Too moderate. So they voted Nader in Florida instead.

Tell me, how well did that work out?
 
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Manmademan

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Bel Marduk said:
I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
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Hillary won the FL democratic primary 64-33 over bernie and clocked in over a million votes total, 500K more than sanders.

The bolded says a lot more about you and the limited worldview you surround yourself with than it does about Hillary as a candidate.

Cheebo said:
You know a lot of liberals in Florida said the same about Gore in 2000. That he was too corporate. Too moderate. So they voted Nader in Florida instead.

Tell me, how well did that work out?
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Exactly. Are those people still feeling smug about their protest votes? Were both parties "the same?" Gore has been fighting for climate change and environmental causes in his free time since he left office. Where is W?
 
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hawk2025

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Bel Marduk said:
I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
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I'm not surprised -- in the very next sentence you show how self-centered you are by overstating the importance of your own little bubble.
 
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User1608

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If Bernie were to make a third-party run, it'd suck for me and so many others. But even I know he wouldn't go that low and far.
 
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Fenderputty

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I'm guilty of biting on Huelen's posts, but I promise I won't any further. Can we ignore these Bernie or bust fools? Their short sighted views about the world around them physically make me want to punch things. I've reached a point where I actively judge and dislike people who take these stances. They are no better than the tea party in any way.
 
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Knuckle Sandwich

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TheLostBigBoss

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Fenderputty said:
I'm guilty of biting on Huelen's posts, but I promise I won't any further. Can we ignore these Bernie or bust fools? Their short sighted views about the world around them physically make me want to punch things. I've reached a point where I actively judge and dislike people who take these stances. They are no better than the tea party.
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gotta make use of the ignore feature to prevent bitting the bait
 
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HylianTom

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Cheebo said:
You know a lot of liberals in Florida said the same about Gore in 2000. That he was too corporate. Too moderate. So they voted Nader in Florida instead.

Tell me, how well did that work out?
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In a way, this year does remind me of 2000. After 8 years of White House control, progressives are getting restless and angry at the slow pace of change, many handwaving the fact that the GOP has large responsibility/credit for grinding things to a halt.

- Dems nominate a mainstream Democrat
- GOP nominates a mainstream Republican
- the Dem's press coverage leans negative. OMG he sighed! Look, he's wearing earth tones! Is he an alpha? Wanna have a beer?
- a loud fringe on the left is angry; a challenger runs and attracts a slice of the bitter ones.
- The Dem "loses" the general election.

And after some time, leftists are in horror at two things:
- how terrible a GOP President can be for fulfillment of their long-term causes
- how that "mainstream Democrat" ended-up being stridently progressive (he probably would've been the most pro-environment president we would've had in history, for instance), but felt the need to tone his message for a general electorate

But there are a few encouraging differences here in 2016:
- we're 16 years down the demographic timeline
- the current President is popular and scandal-free
- the challenger on the left ran within the Democratic Party's apparatus
- the GOP has nominated perhaps their worst possible opponent for this cycle


Fenderputty said:
I'm guilty of biting on Huelen's posts, but I promise I won't any further. Can we ignore these Bernie or bust fools? Their short sighted views about the world around them physically make me want to punch things. I've reached a point where I actively judge and dislike people who take these stances. They are no better than the tea party in any way.
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I do love making them squirm on the court issue, though. Bel Marduk, for instance, would probably claim to be serious about Bernie's issues. I have to laugh at that claim, given his stance.

Hell, I'm more serious about Bernie's issues. I'm not willing to let them die. Isn't that right, Bel?
 
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Atomic Playboy

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Everybody's been joking about Donald Trump as a Clinton plant since last summer... What if Bernie Sanders is actually a Trump plant? The only possible chance Trump has to win the election is if the Democrats destroy themselves from within. Who better to achieve that than a wild ideologue galvanizing the far left and convincing them not to vote for the eventual nominee? But you'd never be able to get that person any attention... unless they somehow came up with millions of $27 donations. And who could afford that? The billionaire heir to a real estate and media empire, perhaps?

OK, that's wildly implausible, but that doesn't make it untrue!
 
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Cheebo

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Bel Marduk said:
I never claimed fraud on anything.. anecdotal, yes..
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Please respond to the Nader comparison in 2000. Gore was called too moderate/corporate/more of the same/not liberal/etc. So a lot of liberals voted Nader instead in Florida 2000. It resulted in disaster and thousands dead in Iraq that otherwise never would have died.

The exact situation you are advocating for 2016.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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A Turkish journalist has been sentenced to 20 months in jail and stripped of legal rights over her children for breaching the confidentiality of a court case, her lawyer has said, raising further concern about deteriorating press freedoms.

Arzu Yıldız was sued by the state after publishing footage in May 2015 from a court hearing at which four prosecutors were on trial for ordering a search of trucks belonging to Turkey’s MIT intelligence agency as they travelled to Syria in 2014.

The incident was highly sensitive for President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the government. Erdoğan said the search of the trucks and some of the media coverage of it was part of a plot by his political enemies to undermine him and embarrass Turkey.

Two prominent journalists were sentenced to at least five years in jail for revealing state secrets in a separate case this month after publishing footage which purported to show the trucks carrying weapons to Syria.

The ruling against Yıldız, a copy of which was seen by Reuters, said she would be deprived of legal guardianship of her children, invoking an article in Turkey’s penal code which allows courts to strip jailed individuals of such rights.
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Erdogan really needs to get punched in the teeth.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-over-her-children?CMP=twt_a-world_b-gdnworld
 
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Hilbert

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B-Dubs said:
Go for it, then post the results here. Let people see what their Bernie or Bust stance really means.
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I posted them. But I think I lost my hardcore berner friends when I ranted about him not being about to stand up about abuse, and already called Bernie or bust a racist movement.
 
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NeoXChaos

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HylianTom said:
In a way, this year does remind me of 2000. After 8 years of White House control, progressives are getting restless and angry at the slow pace of change, many handwaving the fact that the GOP has large responsibility/credit for grinding things to a halt.

- Dems nominate a mainstream Democrat
- GOP nominates a mainstream Republican
- the Dem's press coverage leans negative. OMG he sighed! Look, he's wearing earth tones! Is he an alpha? Wanna have a beer?
- a loud fringe on the left is angry; a challenger runs and attracts a slice of the bitter ones.
- The Dem "loses" the general election.

And after some time, leftists are in horror at two things:
- how terrible a GOP President can be for fulfillment of their long-term causes
- how that "mainstream Democrat" ended-up being stridently progressive (he probably would've been the most pro-environment president we would've had in history, for instance), but felt the need to tone his message for a general electorate

But there are a few encouraging differences here in 2016:
- we're 16 years down the demographic timeline
- the current President is popular and scandal-free
- the challenger on the left ran within the Democratic Party's apparatus
- the GOP has nominated perhaps their worst possible opponent for this cycle




I do love making them squirm on the court issue, though. Bel Marduk, for instance, would probably claim to be serious about Bernie's issues. I have to laugh at that claim, given his stance.

Hell, I'm more serious about Bernie's issues. I'm not willing to let them die. Isn't that right, Bel?
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yup and the worse of it is the persecution complex. "Oh no your being mean to me. Better stop Hillary supporters or I'm voting for Trump"
 
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Bel Marduk

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Cheebo said:
Please respond to the Nader comparison in 2000. Gore was called too moderate/corporate/more of the same/not liberal/etc. So a lot of liberals voted Nader instead in Florida 2000. It resulted in disaster and thousands dead in Iraq that otherwise never would have died.

The exact situation you are advocating for 2016.
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No, I'm not saying I will vote for a third party presidential candidate. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War in 2003, to her credit she has said that was a mistake -- but I'd like someone with better judgment than to ever get us entangled in that sort of thing again. It was so incredibly wrong on so many levels.

balladofwindfishes said:
I'm curious, what issues are important to you?
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For one, I think its unconscionable for us to be fighting wars on behalf of Saudi Arabia and our other so-called "allies" in the Middle East. Instead of treating them as friends we should be diplomatically isolating them and loudly condemning their human rights abuses. The sale of weapons to this barbaric regime was a top priority during Clinton's tenure as secretary of state. European governments have taken steps to end this -- but not us.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Bel Marduk said:
No, I'm not saying I will vote for a third party presidential candidate. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War in 2003, to her credit she has said that was a mistake -- but I'd like someone with better judgment than to ever get us entangled in that sort of thing again. It was so incredibly wrong on so many levels.
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You don't find that someone who can own up to their mistakes and admit they were wrong to not be someone of good judgment? That doesn't happen often in politics.

You'd also be enabling a man who wants to commit war crimes on the families of suspected terrorists to become president. Is that something you truly feel you're comfortable with?
 
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Fenderputty

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TheLostBigBoss said:
gotta make use of the ignore feature to prevent bitting the bait
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HylianTom said:
I do love making them squirm on the court issue, though. Bel Marduk, for instance, would probably claim to be serious about Bernie's issues. I have to laugh at that claim, given his stance.

Hell, I'm more serious about Bernie's issues. I'm not willing to let them die. Isn't that right, Bel?
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You all have more stamina than me. lol

I haven't used ignore yet :(
 
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jack_package_200

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Bel Marduk said:
No, I'm not saying I will vote for a third party presidential candidate. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War in 2003, to her credit she has said that was a mistake -- but I'd like someone with better judgment than to ever get us entangled in that sort of thing again. It was so incredibly wrong on so many levels.
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The evidence and support for going to Iraq in 2003 was strong. Its not her fault that the CIA and Bush administration were dishonest. Going to war had bipartisan support. She has even come forward and said this was her biggest regret,

But a mistake that happened 13 years ago is just so damn unforgivable.
 
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Cheebo

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Bel Marduk said:
No, I'm not saying I will vote for a third party presidential candidate. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War in 2003, to her credit she has said that was a mistake -- but I'd like someone with better judgment than to ever get us entangled in that sort of thing again. It was so incredibly wrong on so many levels.
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Not voting is the same thing. Not voting the most liberal of the two major party candidates is effectively the exact same thing as those liberals in Florida in 2000 who wouldnt vote Gore because they felt he wasn't progressive enough.
 
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thefro

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-hidden-importance-of-the-bernie-sanders-voter/

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Nate Dawg Silver said:
The good news for Clinton is that she has the opportunity to gain ground among Sanders voters if and when she officially wraps up the nomination, just as Trump did among Republicans. Although many Sanders supporters will start the general election campaign with a negative view of Clinton, they aren’t necessarily eager to vote for Trump. In the YouGov poll, just 55 percent of Sanders supporters said they’d vote for Clinton over Trump in November. However, only 15 percent said they’d vote for Trump. That leaves 30 percent of Sanders voters who say they are undecided, would vote for a third-party candidate or would sit out the election.

There’s a key twist, though, in tracking how Sanders voters are affecting Clinton’s general election prospects. Unless you break out the numbers for Sanders voters specifically, as YouGov does, you may miss their importance.

That’s because a lot of Sanders voters don’t identify as Democrats. Exit polls have been conducted in 27 primary and caucus states so far, and Clinton has won among voters who identify as Democrats in all but Vermont, New Hampshire and Wisconsin (where she tied Sanders). But she’s won self-identified independents only in Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi. (I keep using that term “self-identified” because the exit poll asks voters how they “usually think of” themselves — Democrat, Republican or independent. A voter’s self-identification may differ from her party registration, and some states do not have party registration at all.)
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Nate Dawg Silver said:
Thus, citing Clinton’s reasonably strong general election numbers among self-identified Democrats — she had the support of 87 percent of Democrats in a recent NBC News/SurveyMonkey poll in her matchup against Trump, for instance, and 83 percent in a Fox News poll that showed her behind Trump nationally — may miss her problems among liberal-leaning, Sanders-voting independents. In the Fox News poll, only 30 percent of independents went for Clinton, and in the SurveyMonkey poll, just 36 percent did. But both surveys showed a large pool of undecided independents, potentially the Sanders voters that YouGov identified.

If Clinton wins over those voters, she’ll gain a few percentage points on Trump in national and swing state polls, and the race will potentially look more like it did in March and April, with Clinton having a fairly comfortable lead over Trump. If not, the general election could come down to the wire.
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Bel Marduk said:
I've voted for Democrats in every election since 2008. I don't plan on voting for Hillary Clinton and I live in Florida. I don't know anyone who is.
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I post here. I've voted for Hillary twice. I'll be voting for her a 3rd time. Congrats you now know somebody who lives in Florida who is voting for Hillary.
 
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