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[TheLostBigBoss]

So you're a Republican except for abortion, identity politics, and guns?

And I used to believe that Democrats worked, in general, in the interests of the working class. At the very least, they wanted to appear as if they did.

Neoliberals already have a party.

Yea those damn Neoliberals with the increase in overtime pay requirements, 12+ hour minimum wage platform, trying to starve off the destruction of womens right to choose and LGTB rights plus criminal justice reform

Those fuckers are just pandering to the elite!!!!!

 

[User 463088]

Never thought I'd be disclosing more over Bernie than Trump.

What has this primary come to?

I think the issue is we expect better from Bernie. I mean, I'm not his biggest fan (I never have been) but I never, ever thought he would go down the route he has. He simply cannot fathom that he's lost this thing. And that's sad.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Ignore is not that useful anyway since it doesn't work for quotes.

Ignore is great as a way to check yourself from being baited. It's a little reminder to leave trolls alone, even if you see them quoted.

 

[The Technomancer]

I think the issue is we expect better from Bernie. I mean, I'm not his biggest fan (I never have been) but I never, ever thought he would go down the route he has. He simply cannot fathom that he's lost this thing. And that's sad.

Bernie's campaign for the last six months has basically been an escalation of "well okay that last thing annoyed me but surely he wouldn't...oh he...did...goddamnit Bernie"

 

[Aaron Strife]

So you're a Republican except for abortion, identity politics, and guns?

And I used to believe that Democrats worked, in general, in the interests of the working class. At the very least, they wanted to appear as if they did.

Neoliberals already have a party.

I think it's really cool that the first thing you do after getting unbanned is start accusing people of being Republicans.

 

[User1608]

I think the issue is we expect better from Bernie. I mean, I'm not his biggest fan (I never have been) but I never, ever thought he would go down the route he has. He simply cannot fathom that he's lost this thing. And that's sad.

Yeah, I know I'm a broken record at this point but it really has been supremely disappointing. He was really good up until the beginning of December-this year I feel. He has shown his true colors and is much of a bs'er and politician as anyone else.

Now I expect bitter punditry and guest appearances on TYT on the Democrats after the convention.

To be fair after his attack on PPH I should have seen this coming. Asshole move.

 

[Dorpheus]

Oklahoma legislature has passed a bill to make performing an abortion a felony.

With no discussion or debate, the Senate voted 33-12 Thursday for the bill by Republican Sen. Nathan Dahm. A handful of Republicans joined with Democrats in voting against the bill, which now heads to Gov. Mary Fallin, an anti-abortion Republican. Fallin spokesman Michael McNutt said the governor will withhold comment until her staff has time to review it.

I'm sure the courts will throw this out. Still upsetting, but at least this bill isn't trying to be coy with its goals.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Nor am I concerned about Bernie. He still hasn't surpassed what Hillary or Bill were doing in April and May 08. Once Hillary clenches we'll see what he does. Is he going to declare the entire process fraudulent and refuse to concede? I seriously doubt it. My concern and perhaps fear is that he will go to the convention looking for a fight over the platform, rule changes, etc, and do little to nothing to calm down supporters who turn the process into a shit show.

There is a huge opportunity to show a united front in contrast to a RNC where multiple prominent republicans will not be in attendance.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I'm still amazed young people care so much about Bernie. Is it because it's the cool thing to do or are they not paying attention to his lack of substance behind what he says? It's been apparent for awhile he's an asshole that is a sore loser and had no friends in politics despite being in the business for over 30 years.

 

[The Technomancer]

I'm still amazed young people care so much about Bernie. Is it because it's the cool thing to do or are they not paying attention to his lack of substance behind what he says? It's been apparent for awhile he's an asshole that is a sore loser and had no friends in politics despite being in the business for over 30 years.

At a guess, its people who never paid attention to substance in politics in the first place, so Bernie's lack of substance doesn't stick out as substantially different.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Isn't this literally one of the worst things that could happen, didn't this do major damage to Bush?

Yeah. It did. Or rather, it provided strength to the Clinton camp.

I'm actually a little shocked by the desperate tenor of the Bernie Sanders campaign. I think Fred Barnes said it best when asked what happens next:

Look, the only thing that can break this impasse is for Bernie Sanders to die, really. I mean, remember the - if you're an anti-establishment candidate, you don't have to back down. And he doesn't, the guy doesn't back down. Uhhh, what is he, 74? I mean we've all heard reports of his older brother still being alive, so he may not die soon, but look, the important thing to look at in this is how much he's gained from this. You sneered last week when I said this is political and not delusional. But the fact is, he has enhanced his political power at home, he's made him- he's put himself right on the cutting edge of progressives all around the country, I mean he jumped on this issue, and where are the progressive new left leaders criticizing Senator Sanders, the ones who [inaudible], they certainly are not!

 

[maabus1999]

Man, two stories today on Politico are just unbelievable. Unbelievable in the way the GOP just seems to be falling further and further into some niche crazy position:

1.) OK votes to make anyone performing an abortion a felony:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/oklahoma-abortions-felony-223369

2.) GOPers in Congress actually swap votes to narrowly defeat a bill to that makes it illegal for federal contractors to discriminate against LGBT:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/house-lgbt-amendment-discrimination-fight-223366

(I'm amazed 213 GOPers would even vote against this period. Really want to be known to support discrimination practices???)

 

[metalslimer]

Man if republicans were anything like what the far left imagines them to be it would be a great time in politics

 

[Anoregon]

Guys

What if...

What if Goodman isn't actually a good man?

#octobersurprise

 

[Brinbe]

Why are we freaking out about Bernie? She's only 92 delegates away, Just wait till CA votes June 7 and this will be over. All the whining and crying is useless white noise at this point and has been for weeks. It provides good copy for the media during a boring portion of the primary season - especially since Trump ran away with things - but it doesn't mean anything. Aside from his most ardent supporters, Bernie's rush to burn bridges is just sinking his likability among most reasonable dem voters. Causing a ruckus at the convention will backfire on him.

Also, HRC has endured a bad few news cycles for sure, but that's to be expected. She's stayed out of the limelight over the past month or so and laid low and that's definitely by design. They're gearing up for the real fight. And we all know there's considerable business at stake to ensure the horse race proceeds, so things will be rough for a while. That bad/sketchy polls get prominence, the questions of emails and favorability will get endlessly repeated.and things will appear to be tighter than they really are. She CAN'T run away with things yet. There are months of dead air to fill till Nov. We all know this. Even Bams was tight with Romney and was losing in some polls come early November and all know how that turned out.

For example, this is CNN's home page right now.

I wonder what narrative they're trying to push here? Clinton News Network, right? lol

Anyway, we all just need to relax and be rational. Demographics and the electoral college. The metrics of the race still show this will be a rout. It just won't be an easy ride to get there.

 

[darkside31337]

Guys

What if...

What if Goodman isn't actually a good man?

#octobersurprise

HA Goodman doesn't actually exist. It's just Donald Trump wearing a mask.

Why are we freaking out about Bernie? She's only 92 delegates away, Just wait till CA votes June 7 and this will be over. All the whining and crying is useless white noise at this point and has been for weeks. It provides good copy for the media during a boring portion of the primary season - especially since Trump ran away with things - but it doesn't mean anything. Aside from his most ardent supporters, Bernie's rush to burn bridges is just sinking his likability among most reasonable dem voters. Causing a ruckus at the convention will backfire on him.

If he loses California by say 6 points... he's not going to drop out. Its -been over- but nobody cares, you really think they are going to talk about Hillary as the presumptive nominee? Nope. They want Bernie to cause as much as shit as possible at a convention. It'd be great for ratings. The folks who actually do care have finally come to the realization that Bernie isn't doing any good anymore (which has been laughable for months) and that hes not going away any time soon.

 

[thezerofire]

Man, two stories today on Politico are just unbelievable. Unbelievable in the way the GOP just seems to be falling further and further into some niche crazy position:

1.) OK votes to make anyone performing an abortion a felony:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/oklahoma-abortions-felony-223369

2.) GOPers in Congress actually swap votes to narrowly defeat a bill to that makes it illegal for federal contractors to discriminate against LGBT:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/house-lgbt-amendment-discrimination-fight-223366

(I'm amazed 213 GOPers would even vote against this period. Really want to be known to support discrimination practices???)

these are both really vile

 

[B-Dubs]

HA Goodman doesn't actually exist. It's just Donald Trump wearing a mask.

That would explain so much...

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Here are the top Republican priorities right now.

1. Banning Muslims from the United States
2. Assaulting women that are masculine looking in any way when they try to use the bathroom to bully transgender individuals.
3. Deporting 11 million people and extorting Mexico to pay for a wall along the southern border.

This is actually what the party is focused on right now, not whatever Bernie stans think is happening.

 

[Cipherr]

I do like how Hillary has sort of laid low for the last month and hasn't given Bernie anything to bounce off of (leaving him to choose bouncing off the walls instead). I want her to refuse anymore debates too. Would be the perfect fuse to light and just watch his entire campaign continue self destructing while throwing rocks at the throne.

Dude is absolutely melting down right now; media is eating him alive. Laying low and making him the only news to report on the left (Outside of her winning a state here and there) has been fabulous.

 

[Box of Kittens]

You know, I don't even care about how batshit crazy HA! is...if he at least wrote well, you know?

It's why I prefer Seth Abramson articles. I can actually read them without getting a headache.

 

[nature boy]

Clinton on CNN.

 

[PantherLotus]

I'm still amazed young people care so much about Bernie. Is it because it's the cool thing to do or are they not paying attention to his lack of substance behind what he says? It's been apparent for awhile he's an asshole that is a sore loser and had no friends in politics despite being in the business for over 30 years.

I mean, I'm not a Bernie guy but if you don't know why young people like him, YOU haven't been paying attention. He speaks to their every concern. Inequality, Student Loans, frustration with overseas adventures, kids getting shitty jobs out of college.

It's single-track, it's somewhat simply stated, has decent evidence behind it. Forgive a bunch of 20 somethings who came of age between 9/11 and the Great Recession for being a little politically naive about how any of the above would get done. But don't act like the message isn't highly targeted and specifically relevant to them.

(I see this 'I don't understand why [obvious subset of voters] would vote for [obvious candidate that speaks directly to those voters with specific proposals to ease their plight]' argument and it just always strikes me as un-nuanced as the people that are being described. Dig a little deeper, folks.)

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I do like how Hillary has sort of laid low for the last month and hasn't given Bernie anything to bounce off of (leaving him to choose bouncing off the walls instead). I want her to refuse anymore debates too. Would be the perfect fuse to light and just watch his entire campaign continue self destructing while throwing rocks at the throne.

Dude is absolutely melting down right now; media is eating him alive. Laying low and making him the only news to report on the left (Outside of her winning a state here and there) has been fabulous.

Yea, she's been playing this very well. Just letting him break himself, while she sits back and waits patiently.

Seems they even got Bill to calm down on his random outbursts he was doing.

 

[Wilsongt]

Well that Hillary thread that was suppose to be good news turned to shit fast.

Thanks Obama... and me.

 

[Iolo]

Clinton on CNN.

Is she dropping?

 

[BotoxAgent]

I do like how Hillary has sort of laid low for the last month and hasn't given Bernie anything to bounce off of (leaving him to choose bouncing off the walls instead). I want her to refuse anymore debates too. Would be the perfect fuse to light and just watch his entire campaign continue self destructing while throwing rocks at the throne.

Dude is absolutely melting down right now; media is eating him alive. Laying low and making him the only news to report on the left (Outside of her winning a state here and there) has been fabulous.

I hope his meltdown will start to reflect in his polling soon.

 

[User 463088]

I'm not trying to generalize young people with this....

But I think Bernie appeals to the young, under informed voters because of his lack of specificity. When I was young, I automatically assumed most of what Bernie is calling for was 100% the right thing to do. His policy proposals are so simple and they don't require a lot of thought. Healthcare is too expensive. We all agree. So, let's make it free! Everyone else has made it free, why shouldn't we? College is too exepnsive, let's make it free! So, for this segment, I think his lack of actual details helps him. Because, the moment he would actually have to go into details about how these things are going to happen, they're going to tune out. They just don't care. He's offering simple, perfect solutions, so fuck ya! Get rekt! Werk.

So, if you're not super informed on the actual act of governance, and you have one guy promising the moon and one woman saying "Well...that's not going to happen...." it's no wonder they go with the first option. It's the optimism of youth, I think. (And, I'm not saying all Bernie supporters are young or anything like that, I'm talking specifically about why he's more popular with the chillren.

Also, it's popular to like Bernie. Herd mentality is a hell of a drug.

 

[Tubie]

I really really hope Clinton refuses to debate him again.

Let him yell at the clouds all he wants.

 

[nature boy]

Is she dropping?

Playing the responsible card against Trump.

Moving to Sanders.

 

[samn]

I really really hope Clinton refuses to debate him again.

Let him yell at the clouds all he wants.

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

 

[Emarv]

Clinton flat out saying "I'm the nominee. It's over" now. Good on her. Stop playing the humble thing and move on.

 

[hawk2025]

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

Sanders abandoned the real issues months ago.

No more debates.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Yea those damn Neoliberals with the increase in overtime pay requirements, 12+ hour minimum wage platform, trying to starve off the destruction of womens right to choose and LGTB rights plus criminal justice reform

Those fuckers are just pandering to the elite!!!!!

One of the things that bothers me the most about Bernie is the way he frames his message as him being the only politician who cares about these issues and, in a related fashion, how progressive change is easy to accomplish it's just a bunch of corruption standing in the way.

It's the main thing over the course of this primary that made me go from thinking he could be a good message candidate to thinking he's doing more harm than good.

 

[User 463088]

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

The differences in their issues no longer matter.

One is the nominee, one is not. Bernie hasn't been about the issues for months now. It's all Wall Street! Transcripts! CORRUPTION!

 

[hammysaurusrex]

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

The problem is that previous debates have not been reflective of an intention to discuss the "real" issues. Debates don't cover nuance so they are useless for Hillary, and for Bernie it's just an opportunity to use another stump speech.

They are worthless.

 

[Tubie]

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

What more discussion do you want? they've already debated many times and their positions are well known.

And where did I mention his or her supporters?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

It's over, Clinton is the nominee and there isn't anything left to talk about that hasn't already been discussed. The last debate was Sanders actual chance to back up his rhetoric with facts and he fundamentally failed to do so

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

.@SenTomCotton: "If anything, we have an underincarceration problem."

Hey, Tommy Boy, shut the fuck up.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Yeah, to hell with having a discussion of real issues. Let's just talk about who has the worst supporters.

There's no point. The debate will have happened so close to the California primary that most of California will have already voted via mail in ballots.

 

[Box of Kittens]

I'm not trying to generalize young people with this....

But I think Bernie appeals to the young, under informed voters because of his lack of specificity. When I was young, I automatically assumed most of what Bernie is calling for was 100% the right thing to do. His policy proposals are so simple and they don't require a lot of thought. Healthcare is too expensive. We all agree. So, let's make it free! Everyone else has made it free, why shouldn't we? College is too exepnsive, let's make it free! So, for this segment, I think his lack of actual details helps him. Because, the moment he would actually have to go into details about how these things are going to happen, they're going to tune out. They just don't care. He's offering simple, perfect solutions, so fuck ya! Get rekt! Werk.

So, if you're not super informed on the actual act of governance, and you have one guy promising the moon and one woman saying "Well...that's not going to happen...." it's no wonder they go with the first option. It's the optimism of youth, I think. (And, I'm not saying all Bernie supporters are young or anything like that, I'm talking specifically about why he's more popular with the chillren.

Also, it's popular to like Bernie. Herd mentality is a hell of a drug.

Another factor is not really understanding that not everyone thinks like them. There's this persistent belief among parts of the left, particularly among the young, that everyone of course agrees with single-payer, $15/hr minimum wage, etc. The thinking goes that if only a candidate comes out supporting all of this then the great liberal majority will rise up and elect said candidate in a landslide and all of this will happen. It goes back to what I said about Bernie selling people on the idea that the only reason we don't have all of this is corruption. Inability to understand how the opposition thinks can really get in the way of crafting good strategy.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I'm not trying to generalize young people with this....

But I think Bernie appeals to the young, under informed voters because of his lack of specificity. When I was young, I automatically assumed most of what Bernie is calling for was 100% the right thing to do. His policy proposals are so simple and they don't require a lot of thought. Healthcare is too expensive. We all agree. So, let's make it free! Everyone else has made it free, why shouldn't we? College is too exepnsive, let's make it free! So, for this segment, I think his lack of actual details helps him. Because, the moment he would actually have to go into details about how these things are going to happen, they're going to tune out. They just don't care. He's offering simple, perfect solutions, so fuck ya! Get rekt! Werk.

So, if you're not super informed on the actual act of governance, and you have one guy promising the moon and one woman saying "Well...that's not going to happen...." it's no wonder they go with the first option. It's the optimism of youth, I think. (And, I'm not saying all Bernie supporters are young or anything like that, I'm talking specifically about why he's more popular with the chillren.

Also, it's popular to like Bernie. Herd mentality is a hell of a drug.

Adam. Don't you think this is just like the "uneducated black vote" argument? If what you said is true, why does Sanders do so much better with the college educated vote?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Another factor is not really understanding that not everyone thinks like them. There's this persistent belief among parts of the left, particularly among the young, that everyone of course agrees with single-payer, $15/hr minimum wage, etc. The thinking goes that if only a candidate comes out supporting all of this then the great liberal majority will rise up and elect said candidate in a landslide and all of this will happen. It goes back to what I said about Bernie selling people on the idea that the only reason we don't have all of this is corruption. Inability to understand how the opposition thinks can really get in the way of crafting good strategy.

I don't like the idea that "bigger is better" with a lot of Bernie's plans. The minimum wage, for example. His policy basically boils down to "mine is a bigger number, therefore, it's better than Hillary's" even if his number might not actually be the "best" number for a federal wage.

 

[User 463088]

Another factor is not really understanding that not everyone thinks like them. There's this persistent belief among parts of the left, particularly among the young, that everyone of course agrees with single-payer, $15/hr minimum wage, etc. The thinking goes that if only a candidate comes out supporting all of this then the great liberal majority will rise up and elect said candidate in a landslide and all of this will happen. It goes back to what I said about Bernie selling people on the idea that the only reason we don't have all of this is corruption. Inability to understand how the opposition thinks can really get in the way of crafting good strategy.

That too. The echo chamber is strong with the left, especially among young college aged people. They're going to be at their most liberal and (probably) most self-righteous. Lord knows I was at that age.

I've also changed my mind about Hillary trying to cinch the nomination before California votes. She shouldn't do that. When the polls close in NJ on the 7th, come out, roll out the rest of your Super Delegate Endorsements. Announce you now have enough to be the nominee. You do it BEFORE California closes, though, so that if Bernie wins it gets buried under the story that she's the nominee. Period. End of. Then, you can't clai fraud and whatever because everyone* has had the opportunity to vote. (Except DC, sorry DC. Better luck next time....)

 

[Wilsongt]

Hey, Tommy Boy, shut the fuck up.

Not enough black people in jail for him.

 

[hammysaurusrex]

As far as Bernies' supporters - I don't think people need to make it more complicated than it is by allocating unique motivations. $15, "free" college, "free" health care - these impact everyone, but they impact 20-somethings the most.

They are doing what most people do - voting for their perceived best interest - it doesn't make them evil or stupid, it just makes them the same as a vast majority of the voting base.

 

[Zornack]

Bernie's entire platform is pretty much just "lets do the things the Democrats have been trying but unable to achieve due to Republican obstructionism and lets do it at 10x."

It's why I find his desire to accumulate as many delegates as possible in order to influence the platform so senseless. There are almost no difference between what Bernie and the Democrats want to accomplish, Bernie just wants the goalposts, which are already considered extreme by the party which controls the legislature, moved further to the left.

 

[Aaron Strife]

That too. The echo chamber is strong with the left, especially among young college aged people. They're going to be at their most liberal and (probably) most self-righteous. Lord knows I was at that age.

I've also changed my mind about Hillary trying to cinch the nomination before California votes. She shouldn't do that. When the polls close in NJ on the 7th, come out, roll out the rest of your Super Delegate Endorsements. Announce you now have enough to be the nominee. You do it BEFORE California closes, though, so that if Bernie wins it gets buried under the story that she's the nominee. Period. End of. Then, you can't clai fraud and whatever because everyone* has had the opportunity to vote. (Except DC, sorry DC. Better luck next time....)

She wouldn't even need to roll out any more superdelegate endorsements. Just winning NJ even by a hair would get her there, assuming Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands split somewhat evenly.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Tom Cotton really seems to represent the end of the "libertarian Republicans." Cotton wants government bigger than even Bernie would dream of. A government big enough to imprison most of the black population while fighting wars in Iran and Russia simultaneously.

 

[Iolo]

She wouldn't even need to roll out any more superdelegate endorsements. Just winning NJ even by a hair would get her there, assuming Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands split somewhat evenly.

Yep. PR+VI+NJ = 30+3.5+63 = 96.5 pledged delegates --- with a tie in all 3. She only needs 92.