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[studyguy]

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Those images are making a point against BoB

Are they? I've seen as much leveled against the DNC with Bernie stans thinking they can use their votes as a threat. The images look like obvious satire, but I mean it's not a far shot from the usual #bernieorbust posts you see on social media tbh

Also I've never put anyone on ignore.
Seems meaningless, they can still come up in quotes iirc

 

[B-Dubs]

All I know is this is gonna be one long election

 

[whyamihere]

All I know is this is gonna be one long election

Preach.

 

[Wilsongt]

Oh boy! Oh boy! oh boy! It's like Christmas!

According to CNN, “Many Democrats fear that if Sanders does not rein in his supporters, an ugly scene could take place at the DNC in July.” However, it’s Clinton, not Sanders, who must rein in her supporters. It’s Bernie Sanders who defeats Trump by a wider margin, without an FBI investigation. Furthermore, if more scenes like Nevada’s state convention take place, the Democratic Party is looking at a serious fracture if Clinton, and not Sanders, becomes nominee.

Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by 13 points, and has defeated Donald Trump by a wider margin than Clinton since last year. Hillary Clinton defeats Trump by 5.2 points in an average of polls, a margin that dropped by .5 points in less than one week. Keep these numbers in mind, when reading about a potential fracture at the Democratic convention, and a system many voters feel is corrupt.

Winning on November 8, 2016 means rallying around Sanders, not Clinton.

Less than 300 pledged delegates away from Clinton, Bernie Sanders has managed to force a contested convention against the most powerful politician in the Democratic Party. All of Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street and foreign donors, and the might of a giant political machine bolstering her candidacy, hasn’t been enough to stop Vermont’s Senator. With Bernie Sanders winning Oregon, he’s now defeated Clinton in 21 contests and continues to achieve what FiveThirtyEight, The Washington Post, and The New York Times, believed to be impossible.

Ironically, these are also the same people saying Sanders should drop out of the race, while completely ignoring the FBI criminal investigation into Clinton’s emails.

Once again, FiveThirtyEight, The New York Times, and The Washington Post never imagined Bernie Sanders would fight Hillary Clinton “until the last ballot.”

Although I firmly believe the FBI will recommend indictments of Clinton and her top aides, and the DNC will eventually rally around Bernie Sanders, an irreparable fracture has already shattered Democratic Party unity.

Vox explains exactly why Hillary Clinton was able to surpass Bernie Sanders in delegate count after the Nevada state convention:

The voting irregularities and voter suppression taking place in 2016 is nothing new. Clinton had engaged in this type of campaign against Obama, and her campaign has repeated these tactics against Sanders. To think a system that even President Obama believed was unfair would change in only eight years is naive. Most importantly, to think Hillary Clinton has changed in that time period is also naive.

A Donald Trump presidency could result from the Democratic Party’s overt disdain of Bernie Sanders and his supporters. The level of emotion, and intensity of discontent is difficult to describe to voters used to Clinton’s scandals, and willing to choose a lesser evil. Furthermore, many Clinton supporters would vote for her even with criminal indictments.

In contrast, Bernie voters want to break up Too Big to Fail Banks, end perpetual quagmires, implement free public college tuition, and push for single-payer healthcare. If he fails to achieve these goals, and other objectives, at least progressives have addressed the structural issues plaguing this country. Bernie has raised the funds needed to battle until the end, and he’ll continue to defy the odds, despite the what the naysayers think of lofty goals and cherished principles.

One must attempt to solve dilemmas, rather than simply giving up and voting for a person at risk of DOJ indictments.

Also, the reality is that 33 percent of Bernie Sanders voters will never vote for Clinton, and that number could skyrocket. The DNC would be wise to treat Bernie Sanders, and his supporters, with greater respect. Calls for Vermont’s Senator to drop out, or to rein in his voters, ignore rampant voting irregularities and a system viewed to be corrupt. The DNC risks a fractured convention, if a system already viewed as dishonest simply doubles down, and further alienates its grassroots base. The notion that most Bernie voters would unite around Clinton even now, is far-fetched; the possibility of a fractured convention confirms this reality.

Imagine what could result in Philadelphia, if the DNC continues to foment tension and engage in election fraud. I explain in this YouTube segment what might happen in the contested Democratic convention, if the DNC continues to allow voting irregularities. In my latest MSNBC appearance, I explain why Hillary Clinton, and not Bernie Sanders, should drop out of the race.

No need to even link or say who it is.

 

[jack_package_200]

All I know is this is gonna be one long election

It would help if Bernie and Weaver would face the fucking music already

Oh boy! Oh boy! oh boy! It's like Christmas!





No need to even link or say who it is.

This feels more like a Seth article. Not even mentions of the FBI for it to be written by Hahaha Goodman

 

[Iolo]

Ignore is not that useful anyway since it doesn't work for quotes.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Ignore is not that useful anyway since it doesn't work for quotes.

I was gonna say, we all know some posters just have a way to derail a thread with some crazy posts that they constantly do on a regular basis yet everyone does the same thing and quote them a dozen + times.

So I just use the ignore feature as a mental warning for what I'm about to see.

 

[studyguy]

Bernie and his crew will just be going through the motions. It's more media stirring the pot than anything. Hell, heard Howard Dean on NPR last night correcting the journalist asking about a 'contested' democratic convention. Like by the numbers there will be no way for a contested convention. Sanders may make some noise but he has no leg to stand on when it comes to the first vote.

It's nothing to stress over, sure they're gonna be loud on social media but beyond June it's a wrap. Dude's got no time to make any headway or damage despite what his most fervent supporters believe.

 

[User 463088]

I feel these images I stumbled into in OT are topical

Oh shit, do I love this. Yaaassss.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Are they? I've seen as much leveled against the DNC with Bernie stans thinking they can use their votes as a threat. The images look like obvious satire, but I mean it's not a far shot from the usual #bernieorbust posts you see on social media tbh

Also I've never put anyone on ignore.
Seems meaningless, they can still come up in quotes iirc

I felt it was pretty obvious what they were saying, that BoB is extremely selfish and the consequences of BoB would basically hurt everyone else.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Really though, have any of the presidential candidates been asked about a NATO ally becoming a terrorist supporting theocratic dictatorship? What's happening in Turkey is incredibly dangerous.

 

[Box of Kittens]

This feels more like a Seth article. Not even mentions of the FBI for it to be written by Hahaha Goodman

Gratuitous mentions of TV appearances seem more like a Ha! Good, man thing though. I also feel like Abramson would find a way to unskew the Kentucky results to make it a Bernie win.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Really though, have any of the presidential candidates been asked about a NATO ally becoming a terrorist supporting theocratic dictatorship? What's happening in Turkey is incredibly dangerous.

No, of course not. I mean, why would they? Practically no one in the US cares.

 

[brainchild]

Oh boy! Oh boy! oh boy! It's like Christmas!





No need to even link or say who it is.

Guessing the authors to ridiculous quotes seems like a fun game we should start on poliGAF!

Anyway, my guess is H.A. Goodman. It's gotta be him. The syntax and sheer delusion give it away.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

What's the point of that Ras poll? Does anyone think the election will be decided on a 42-37 result?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

No, of course not. I mean, why would they? Practically no one in the US cares.

I'm pretty sure Turkey turning into Iran or Saudi Arabia is bad for national security, idk.

 

[Black Republican]

i know this is left field, but what if..........what if iffffffffffffffff




Sanders changes his mind after June and does run 3rd party, does Clinton go scorched earth?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

i know this is left field, but what if..........what if iffffffffffffffff




Sanders changes his mind after June and does run 3rd party, does Clinton go scorched earth?

He can't. He will have missed deadlines to be on the ballot.

There is no risk of Bernie running third party. He's already missed his chance.

 

[PBY]

i know this is left field, but what if..........what if iffffffffffffffff




Sanders changes his mind after June and does run 3rd party, does Clinton go scorched earth?

It doesn't matter what she does

Shes fucked if he does that. Its game over if he does.

 

[Wilsongt]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-hidden-importance-of-the-bernie-sanders-voter/

Funny. The more primaries and delegates Clinton got the more they hate her.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Oklahoma passed a bill (effectively) banning abortion today.

It's going to get overturned, but still, Mary Fallin for Trump VP.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Funny. The more primaries and delegates Clinton got the more they hate her.

It's easier to like someone when you still believe they're going to lose.

 

[User 463088]

Guessing the authors to ridiculous quotes seems like a fun game we should start on poliGAF!

Anyway, my guess is H.A. Goodman. It's gotta be him. The syntax and sheer delusion give it away.

You know, I don't even care about how batshit crazy HA! is...if he at least wrote well, you know?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Bernie isn't going to run third party.

I bet my account on it

 

[Wilsongt]

Guessing the authors to ridiculous quotes seems like a fun game we should start on poliGAF!

Anyway, my guess is H.A. Goodman. It's gotta be him. The syntax and sheer delusion give it away.

Ding ding ding!

 

[PBY]

Sanders could totally get on the Green Party ballot.

A 3rd party run is still in play.

 

[B-Dubs]

You know, I don't even care about how batshit crazy HA! is...if he at least wrote well, you know?

Amen brother! How anyone could think publishing his dreck is a good idea I will never know.

 

[studyguy]

Wonder how HA! GOODMAN will hold up post primary.

Sanders could totally get on the Green Party ballot.

A 3rd party run is still in play.

Jill Stein wrote an open letter to Sanders almost a month ago to join forces and nothing came of it.
Dude isn't going independent. Has said multiple times he won't. There's a lot I could say for Sanders, but I doubt he'll go back on that word. It's a done deal post June for him.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Sanders could totally get on the Green Party ballot.

A 3rd party run is still in play.

Jill Stein isn't going to allow that. She's only using Bernie for cheap votes and to get her 15 minutes of fame.

 

[darkside31337]

Wonder how HA! GOODMAN will hold up post primary.

He'll be fine until the convention, Bernie isn't dropping out.

After the convention he will tell folks to write in Bernie on ballots, he can still win if everyone does a write in.

 

[aspiegamer]

They're still on about that "contested convention" stuff? It's not "contested" when there's a 100.00% chance that Clinton is going to win on the first ballot.

That some Sanders supporters are willing to bet the future on some 6-month-out polling scares me, but that's not new. It sorta reeks of internet age dependencies and trust. "A lot of people on the internet said it was true, so it's got to be true!" or "numbers don't lie!" I'd be glad to have a conversation with someone about objectively giving Sanders the nomination over Clinton without the use of polls as a justification. I am uncertain these people exist. We're to where I pity the average Sanders supporter because their original positive message has been drowned out. This gets worse by the day.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

They're still on about that "contested convention" stuff? It's not "contested" when there's a 100.00% chance that Clinton is going to win on the first ballot.

That some Sanders supporters are willing to bet the future on some 6-month-out polling scares me, but that's not new. It sorta reeks of internet age dependencies and trust. "A lot of people on the internet said it was true, so it's got to be true!" or "numbers don't lie!" I'd be glad to have a conversation with someone about objectively giving Sanders the nomination over Clinton without the use of polls as a justification. I am uncertain these people exist. We're to where I pity the average Sanders supporter because their original positive message has been drowned out. This gets worse by the day.

But his delegates can cause a ruckus and basically destroy her chances in the GE.

 

[brainchild]

He can't. He will have missed deadlines to be on the ballot.

There is no risk of Bernie running third party. He's already missed his chance.

He could campaign for write-in votes, though he'd have to give up like, 7 states that won't accept them. However, achieving eligibility to win the presidency by write-in is an arduous process:

A total of 494 Electoral Votes are in play for write in candidates

Currently, 43 States allow Write In Ballots for President of the United States.

States not allowing write in ballots include; Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Dakota

Most States require a candidate to register, however; Vermont, Wyoming, Oregon, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Iowa, Delaware, and Alabama do not require registration.

Thirty-five states require that a write-in candidate must submit some form of affidavit and, sometimes, a filing fee at least one month before the election. In North Carolina, these candidates must circulate a petition. Then their names are posted on a list at the polling place, though not on the official ballot. All other write-in votes are tossed. ~Bloomberg

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/21/1404380/-The-Write-In-Vote

It would be the most ridiculous thing to happen in politics in a long time! 😂😂😂

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

But his delegates can cause a ruckus and basically destroy her chances in the GE.

Nah.

Would have anyone cared if the Ron Paul people did this to Romney in 2012?

 

[pigeon]

Nah.

Would have anyone cared if the Ron Paul people did this to Romney in 2012?

They did try to do this in 2012 and it didn't matter.

 

[brainchild]

Jill Stein isn't going to allow that. She's only using Bernie for cheap votes and to get her 15 minutes of fame.

Jill has publicly said that she would not mind being Bernie's VP, but only if he asked.

She is actively trying to bring him on board.

 

[Tubie]

I have a feeling Sanders won't release his delegates (no matter how far behind he ends up), and actually force a real delegate vote/count at the convention.

I'm mentally preparing myself for that to be a shitshow even worse than the Nevada convention.

 

[studyguy]

But his delegates can cause a ruckus and basically destroy her chances in the GE.

There's no chance of a contested convention though by the numbers.

They can fuck around, but it's not going to somehow sway the votes already expected on the first ballot at the convention. As far as destroying her chances in the GE, reddit and social media so far have failed to destroy her chances against their main man Sanders in the primary. Fully expect it to be a couple of months of shitposting before the larger group gets bored of it online. I have more faith in the general DNC considering what went down in 2008 where it was actually close.

 

[Ophelion]

Jill has publicly said that she would not mind being Bernie's VP, but only if he asked.

She is actively trying to bring him on board.

That actually does make sense. It would be a net win for the Green party as I'm sure they'd get way, way more votes than in previous elections.

It's just that it would spell ruin for the country overall, so...y'know. Hopefully that doesn't actually happen.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I have a feeling Sanders won't release his delegates (no matter how far behind he ends up), and actually force a real delegate vote/count at the convention.

I'm mentally preparing myself for that to be shitshow even worse than the Nevada convention.

After New Jersey and California, Clinton will have enough pledged + supers to give her the nomination without Sanders releasing his.

So if he wants to be an ass it won't matter

 

[HylianTom]

I have a feeling Sanders won't release his delegates (no matter how far behind he ends up), and actually force a real delegate vote/count at the convention.

I'm mentally preparing myself for that to be shitshow even worse than the Nevada convention.

I hope that if it becomes disorderly, that the chair throws the troublemakers out.

I mean, that would be within The Rules, right?

And from the Nevada experience, we all know how much Bernie's folks like to point to The Rules..

That actually does make sense. It would be a net win for the Green party as I'm sure they'd get way, way more votes than in previous elections.

It's just that it would spell ruin for the country overall, so...y'know. Hopefully that doesn't actually happen.

brainchild claims he's serious about Bernie's policies, but I tend to think it's more about the man himself..

 

[User 463088]

Amen brother! How anyone could think publishing his dreck is a good idea I will never know.

 

[brainchild]

I have a feeling Sanders won't release his delegates (no matter how far behind he ends up), and actually force a real delegate vote/count at the convention.

I'm mentally preparing myself for that to be a shitshow even worse than the Nevada convention.

I'm predicting this as well.

There's no chance of a contested convention though by the numbers.

They can fuck around, but it's not going to somehow sway the votes already expected on the first ballot at the convention. As far as destroying her chances in the GE, reddit and social media so far have failed to destroy her chances against their main man Sanders in the primary. Fully expect it to be a couple of months of shitposting before the larger group gets bored of it online. I have more faith in the general DNC considering what went down in 2008 where it was actually close.

The problem is that a lot of his supporters don't give a shit about the DNC. I don't think the real protesting will start in earnest until after the convention.

 

[studyguy]

At worst I expect a 1992 Buchanan-esque speech from Sanders at the convention and not much more. More it's just everyone making a huge fuss about a done deal at this point.

Sorry guys, I just don't have the starry eyed view of a sudden insurgence of left leaning independents in Sander's camp fucking up the DNC as a whole. They've clearly failed to make the moves happen during the primary where they've been pedal to the metal and have little to show for it now. I just don't see it.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

At worst I expect a 1992 Buchanan-esque speech from Sanders at the convention and not much more. More it's just everyone making a huge fuss about a done deal at this point.

Isn't this literally one of the worst things that could happen, didn't this do major damage to Bush?

 

[Cesare Borgia]

As has been stated before, the 24 hour news cycle requires every race to be tight, and network/cable news will ensure they present the race as such regardless of context or reality. That Ras poll, where Hillary has 57% of African American support, should be an indicator of what's to come in terms of nonsense polls that dominate headlines.

I really don't spend time worrying about head-to-head national polls, especially not in MAY. What is Donald Trump's path to 270? What is his electoral college floor (ie reliable red states he will win no matter what). What swing states can he put in play? These are the questions I tend to ask. And the answers are pretty ugly across the board.

Ironically all this hand wringing might benefit Clinton. A race everyone knows is over could lead to apathy. A race people perceive as close could lead to the Obama coalition turning out in force. I've heard quite a few black and Hispanic people admit they are scared about this election. Not concerned, not antsy...scared. This idea that Donald Trump is going to eat some tacos and fix his problem with Hispanics is ludicrous. And I believe women and black people have dealt with enough racist, bombastic old white men to not fall for the "pivot," assuming he even tries.

BTW the democrat establishment isn't going to let him pivot. I think the Chicago riot provided the blueprint for how to deal with Trump. At the time Trump was attempting to prove to the establishment that he could be serious, trusted, etc. He had a very refrained, regular debate that convinced some people that he could be trusted. And then the riot happened and his reaction ended his "pivot" phase. Months later he is once again claiming that he is going to get serious...and then Elizabeth Warren made him go insane. President Obama is going to be doing the exact same thing to him. Michelle Obama might even get in on the fun. The point here is to poke the bear. He will always react, and in the most extreme fashion.

 

[brainchild]

brainchild claims he's serious about Bernie's policies, but I tend to think it's more about the man himself..

This is a completely baseless assertion of my political leanings.

If Elizabeth Warren was running for president, I'D PICK HER OVER BERNIE IN A HEARTBEAT, and their policy positions are nearly identical.

Please do not speak for me or my intentions. You do not know me.

 

[pigeon]

When Cesare Borgia, Black Mamba or pigeon three of our most mature, level-headed and highly respected PoliGaffers start diablosing then we can worry. Until then cool it peeps.

I am not worried yet about the general assuming that Bernie drops out in a reasonable way.

I am slightly worried that Bernie is going to fuck up America. But I am currently hopeful because the more divisive he gets the more supporters he loses and the further he drops in the polls. There are a lot of people saying "man I voted for Bernie and I regret it" right now. Those people will vote for Hillary regardless of what Bernie does.

Even if Bernie is difficult I think that Hillary is favored because cmon, it's Donald Trump. We have never seen a presidential campaign season like the one we're going to see because political parties simply don't choose candidates as horribly vulnerable as Donald Trump.

 

[BlastProcessing]

So you're a Republican except for abortion, identity politics, and guns?

And I used to believe that Democrats worked, in general, in the interests of the working class. At the very least, they wanted to appear as if they did.

Neoliberals already have a party.

Yeah, what has the Democratic party done for the working class lately!?

 

[User1608]

Never thought I'd be diablosing more over Bernie than Trump.

What has this primary come to?

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Autocorrect!