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Yes, I think there's going to be a "wait a minute, what the fuck are we doing here? Trump? uh...lolz."

It's going to happen sometime in Sept or October as you said. I mean, the voting public is stupid but not that fucking stupid. I think.

The GOP had that awakening, but by then it was too late and they were too fractured to do anything about it. Kasich pretty much fucked them over by being able to push anyone but Trump. He doesn't even have to lose it at the debate (although he probably will). He just needs to...you know...continue to have no grasp on policy.
 
Here are the more interesting bits from the NYT poll:

8 in 10 Dems view the party's future optimistically. 8 in 10 think Hillary will unite it.

Over 4 in 10 GOPers view it pessimistically. Only 2 in 3 see the party uniting.

only 27% see Trump having the right temperament to be Pres, compared to 48% Hillary.

Trump among woman favorability: 20 to 60. OUCH. SAD!

Among non-white it's 12 to 68. WOW!

14-65 among 18-29! Double SAD!


Hillary's numbers are almost reversed for how men view her which sucks. White people also don't like Hillary. 23 favorable to 55 not. Ugh.

Obama up to 50% approval, however.

obviously the solution is to ban men from voting because they're too temperamental and volatile to be trusted with the franchise
 

SheSaidNo

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how in the world is Sanders' campaign telegraphing a swift withdrawal after the primaries? All their rhetoric is about how superdelegates don't vote until the convention so Hillary can't win until then

It's similar to Hilary's campaign in 2008. If you read articles from that year leading up to the convention there's parallels to Sanders campaign. It's hard to tell what will happen now

Like http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/clinton-role-playing-at-the-convention/?_r=0

So, Senator Hillary Clinton says in a video that her supporters need a “catharsis” at the Democratic convention…. and presto! Bill Clinton finally gets his speaking role.

Anyone think there was a connection between Mrs. Clinton’s mild musings of disruptive action at the convention and the sudden appearance of a speaking slot for Bill?

Maybe not. But a role for Bill is surely part of what Hillary has wanted.

Senator Barack Obama’s camp says that the discussions with the Clintons have been in the works for a while. But Mrs. Clinton’s video remarks, in which she also suggested that her delegates might take matters into their own hands at the convention, surely helped spur those discussions to a more rapid conclusion. So did the endless replay of an ABC video in which Mr. Clinton questioned Mr. Obama’s qualifications to be president.

The Obama camp can only hope that those two videos will now be bumped out of the cable rotation. Giving Mr. Clinton a speaking slot, on Wednesday night, gives the media a whole new narrative to chase: When will Mr. Clinton speak? Will he introduce someone? Will he stay within his allotted speaking time? More importantly, what will he say? Will he insist, yet again, that he did not use racial politics during the primaries? The convention is probably neither the time nor the place for that discussion, but you know it’s on his mind.

Mrs. Clinton is speaking Tuesday night. But her full role remains unclear. And what will her supporters do? Will she encourage them to include her in the roll call or will she try to tamp them down?

Whatever the details, we now have the potential for Mr. Obama’s convention to be distracted — if not dominated — by the Clintons for two nights in a row.

Yes, Mr. Clinton will be speaking the same night as Mr. Obama’s newly minted running mate. Presumably the theatrics of the evening will be designed to showcase the new veep and amplify his message in the service of the presidential nominee. But with the Clintons’ instinct for drama, you never know. Was part of the deal with Mr. Clinton that he keep a lid on himself?

A person close to the Clintons said that Mrs. Clinton has been negotiating not only for herself but for her husband. For one thing, he has seemed too far out of the Obama orbit to do it for himself.

For another, Mrs. Clinton is the Clinton with leverage. She’s still got hundreds of delegates who want to vote for her. In the video of her talking about the catharsis that her supporters need, she says over and over again that she wants a strategy for allowing them to vent and be validated.

Some of her delegates are in the process of gathering the 300 signatures that they would need to get Mrs. Clinton’s name on the ballot. But that could happen only if Mrs. Clinton approves it, in writing. That part of any strategy with Mr. Obama has yet to be worked out.

Even with such matters still on the table and as she tries to salve the wounds of her supporters
 
ohhhhhmyyyyyygooooooood this Trump statement they read on CNN. It takes a lot to get this much of a reaction out of me for anything, period; staring at the TV screaming "WHAT?"

The fact that Hillary thinks the temporary Muslim ban, which she calls the "Muslim ban", promotes terrorism, proves Bernie Sanders was correct when he said she is not qualified to be President.

Look at the carnage all over the world including the World Trade Center, San Bernardino, Paris, the USS Cole, Brussels and an unlimited number of other places. She and our totally ignorant President won't even use the term Radical Islamic Terrorism. And by the way, ask Hillary who blew up the plane last night - another terrible, but preventable tragedy. She has bad judgement and is unfit to serve as President at this delicate and difficult time in our country's history.
Note that installing the ban is still a thing, but be sure to call it temporary! lol
 

sangreal

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It's similar to Hilary's campaign in 2008. If you read articles from that year leading up to the convention there's parallels to Sanders campaign. It's hard to tell what will happen now

Like http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/clinton-role-playing-at-the-convention/?_r=0

The rest is similar, yes, I don't think that particular point is. Hillary dropped out and released her delegates almost instantly after the last primary. Bernie's campaign is openly saying they want to contest the convention vote and that they're still willing to do as much damage to Hillary as necessary

I was around in 2008, and active in both the Obama campaign and Poligaf. I know how hostile and bitter that campaign was, but it always had an end date. My argument is specifically with regard to the suggestion that Bernie is telegraphing his fight will end before the convention. Maybe it will, but he certainly isn't telegraphing that.
 

Teggy

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By the way, these folks can get fucked

Hoyer later revealed on Twitter the seven Republican members who changed their vote on the amendment: Rep. Jeff Denham (R-CA), Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR), Rep. Mimi Walters (R-CA), Rep. David Young (R-IA), Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), Rep. Bruce Poliquin (R-ME), and Rep. David Valadao (R-CA).

House Dems Outraged After GOPers Switch Votes To Defeat LGBT Measure

At least they can't pretend like they weren't against like they were planning.
 
Cis, straight, white, fully able, non-Jewish, male voter for Hillary reporting in.

ifpSLyZ.gif
 

SheSaidNo

Member
The rest is similar, yes, I don't think that particular point is. Hillary dropped out and released her delegates almost instantly after the last primary. Bernie's campaign is openly saying they want to contest the convention vote and that they're still willing to do as much damage to Hillary as necessary
She released them at the convention after her name was called going down the voter roll
 
Also, even though HIllary stayed in too long in 2008, she was never, ever running against the entire Democratic party! Bernie has taken on the "I'll burn this shit down to get my way" type thing. It's not going to work. The amount of damage it's going to do is something we can debate...but it still isn't, to me at least, on the same level.

Plus, Queen fucking turned it out for Obama after the primaries. No one can question her support and the way she worked her ass off for him.
 

Cipherr

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Yesss..


YESSSSSsssss... hahahahahaha

These are my thoughts as well:

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https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki

TL;DR: Stop diablosing about Bernie.

I pretty much feel the same, looking up discussions on the internet from back then shows the same thing. But thats also why Im extremely confident about her winning. I feel pretty certain that I know where all this is going, the only reason I bother engaging is because Bernie has turned out to be a total jerk IMO. The guy is starting to represent a lot of the stuff I absolutely loathe about politics. Big empty promises with no plans to back them up, humongous hypocrite streaks, and blind narcissism which is par for the course in politics so Ill let that one go.

But ughh.. I'm gonna tapdance on his campaigns grave when he can no longer prop it up and move its limbs, weekend at bernies style
 

Teggy

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on a significantly less snarky note:

PM_ME_ECON_ARTICLES on /r/hillaryclinton posted a point-by-point takedown of that "13 minutes of Hillary Clinton lying" video that it might behoove people ITT to reference the next time certain people decide they want to make a low-content argument on that front

That video always really bothered me because it's not even her allegedly lying about different topics for 13 minutes, it's like clips of her talking about like 2 topics stretched out over 13 minutes.
 
She released them at the convention after her name was called going down the voter roll

Well, no. That's not exactly what happened. Putting her name in for the roll call vote was something the Obama team actually wanted as much as she did. There was never an attempt by Hillary to somehow win te nomination at the convention.

I'm sure Hillary would have no problem letting Bernie put his name forward if he'd stop acting like an ass.
 
I mean, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the terrible, terrible lifestyle straight, white men lead. We know you're dong is the best it can. We are here to support you.
 

SheSaidNo

Member
Well, no. That's not exactly what happened. Putting her name in for the roll call vote was something the Obama team actually wanted as much as she did. There was never an attempt by Hillary to somehow win te nomination at the convention.

I'm sure Hillary would have no problem letting Bernie put his name forward if he'd stop acting like an ass.

Obama did not want that to happen, that was her using her delegates to negotiate for it. When were they released then?
 
Cis, straight, white, fully able, Jewish, male voter for Hillary reporting in.
Here as well!

I feel like we're more numerous though than your cohort
I mean, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the terrible, terrible lifestyle straight, white men lead. We know you're dong is the best it can. We are here to support you.
Don't knock it till you try it. Crazy Jewish women can do some amazing things.
 

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Cis, straight, white, fully able, non-Jewish, male voter for Hillary reporting in.

ifpSLyZ.gif

Right there with you! It's been 'fun' being a Hillary supporter in Idaho this time around. My best friend's wife, my fiance and I are the only Hillary supporters I know this time around. We were all Obama supporters last time, and this time everyone else here is feeling the Bern and really buying into the whole shtick.
 

sc0la

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I mean, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the terrible, terrible lifestyle straight, white men lead. We know you're dong is the best it can. We are here to support you.
It's not like we can do anything about it. I mean I've been told being gay or black isn't a choice.

You guys wouldn't lie to me would you? :(

*makes notes of poster gender/sexual preference for future identity based politicking*
 
Obama did not want that to happen, that was her using her delegates to negotiate for it. When were they released then?

She wasn't using her delegates to negotiate anything because Obama didn't need them. Here's an article from CNN from the time of the convention:

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign has agreed to put former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton's name in nomination at the Democratic National Convention this month.
Former rivals Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have called for unity at the Democratic convention.

Former rivals Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have called for unity at the Democratic convention.

The move is seen as a bid to heal the wounds of the bitter primary season.

Obama's campaign encouraged Clinton to put her name in roll call "as a show of unity and in recognition of the historic race she ran and the fact that she was the first woman to compete in all of our nation's primary contests," according to a statement from the Clinton and Obama press offices.

"They are both committed to winning back the White House and to ensuring that the voices of all 35 million people who participated in this historic primary election are respected and heard in Denver," the statement said.

Both sides came to the mutual decision that the move was the best path, a Democratic source with knowledge of the discussions said.

Hillary's people thought it would be a good way to unify the party. And it was! And then she was the one to push for his nomination by acclimation. It was a smart move on both sides. It totally allowed all of us who supported her to feel that our voices were being heard. It wasn't done to get policy concessions from Obama. It wasn't done so that she could try and win superdelegates. It was done to unify the party.

I have no issue with Bernie's name being put in for nomination. Let a few states vote, and then let him come out with the delegation from Vermont and call for Hillary to be nominated by acclimation. No trouble with that at all.
 
Cisguys??😠 Get outta here!

😋
Serious question cis means non trans? So gay men who were born and identify as men are cismen as well as straight dude who's identify as men and were born that way?

I never understood cis as the only time I see it is in the phrase cis white men
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
You can tell this shit is over looking at the posts today.
About as bad as it's gotten.

Hopefully we can move on soon.

I decided to mostly stay out of it, just not worth it.
Being gay, I take it too personally and it got me trouble a couple of weeks ago.
#datSupremeCourt
 

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Serious question cis means non trans? So gay men who were born and identify as men are cismen as well as straight dude who's identify as men and were born that way?

I never understood cis as the only time I see it is in the phrase cis white men

I am the wrong one to respond, but I feel like cis is a stand in for 'normal', which I completely understand as 'normal' implies that everyone that isn't a straight male is a freak. I could be completely off base, and I will blame beer/a rural upbringing on it, and throw myself on the mercy of GAF's moderator court.
 

Crayons

Banned
I want it all to be over

It was fun but now it's time to stump trump's rump

I am the wrong one to respond, but I feel like cis is a stand in for 'normal', which I completely understand as 'normal' implies that everyone that isn't a straight male is a freak. I could be completely off base, and I will blame beer/a rural upbringing on it, and throw myself on the mercy of GAF's moderator court.

cis means your gender identity matches your sex
 

royalan

Member
These are my thoughts as well:

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https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki

TL;DR: Stop diablosing about Bernie.

New NYT Poll has Hillary +6 on Trump. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll.html?smid=tw-share

I can't quote the NYT anymore for some reason. Annoying.

Again, Mid-May polls suck. So it doesn't matter.

I disagree with Steve's analysis here for several reasons:

1) Hillary's "impossible" delegate disadvantage by this time in 08 was <100 delegates. Yes, impossible, but not laughably so. Bernie hasn't been within 100 delegates of Hillary since Super Tuesday, almost three months ago.

2) Hillary invoking the JFK assassination was a terrible, cringe inducing gaffe even for her supporters and she was rightly raked over the coals for it. But Hillary's gaffes were just that: gaffes. Hillary and her campaign were criticised, and she immediately walked them back. How many times do we have to watch Bernie double and triple down on his destructive rhetoric before we realize these aren't gaffes? This is his campaign strategy. Damage Hilary Clinton, and he's been so persistent at it that I don't even think Bernie has the power to talk his supporters down anymore. When Bernie Sanders has spent so much time painting Hillary Clinton and the DNC as fraudulent that his supporters have started protesting fundraisers for down ticket races to the applause of his campaign, you have to ask this honest question: what could Bernie even SAY at this point? Do you honesty expect him to eat his pride and do the kind of passionate stumping it would take to undo the level of mistrust and disdain he's produced with his rhetoric?

3) Hillary had multiple incentives to support Barack Obama. She was a life-long Democrat with a legacy in the party to maintain. She still had a future and the open posibility to run again. She also cared enough about the country that she was willing to compromise on her beliefs if the outcome was any sort of positive change. So no way would Hillary destroy the chance for the Democrats to reclaim the white house and risk her standing in the party by being a spoil sport. None of these incentives exist for Sanders.

I agree that diablosing over Bernie at this point is silly, but so is writing him off and thinking everything will turn out alright "because 08," ignoring all the factors that made that race drastically different, and ignoring what Bernie himself is flat out saying.

If Hillary and the Dems are smart, they're preparing for the eventuality that Bernie Sanders does not do his party to unify the party, because as of right now that seems like the more likely scenario.
 
I am the wrong one to respond, but I feel like cis is a stand in for 'normal', which I completely understand as 'normal' implies that everyone that isn't a straight male is a freak. I could be completely off base, and I will blame beer/a rural upbringing on it, and throw myself on the mercy of GAF's moderator court.

My understanding is that cisgender just means that a persons gender and sex assigned at birth match. Maybe I'm wrong though.
 
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