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[ItWasMeantToBe19]

edit: Misread, tsk tsk me.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Independents neck and neck? That's worrisome.

What?

Did you miss the entire thing below that shows how much Trump regressed with support with major voting blocks?

Bernie is getting a good amount of independent support (independents as in democrats who aren't in the democratic party because reasons), so there could be an improvement after he drops out. But even if these numbers stay the same, Obama lost the independent vote in 2012.

I mean... she's up six in this poll with Clinton doing better with women by six points and Trump doing worse with men by eight. Why would there be "worry"

 

[User 463088]

trump only 12 points ahead with whites is worrying for him ya.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 39s
Every week, we post a state of the race... All polls <60 days. Trump moved AZ and OH to neutral. Clinton still wins.

Until someone can tell me how Trump wins Florida, it's a done deal. Florida plus the firm Dem states puts her above 270 on their own. Trump can take Ohio by huge margins if he wants, but there is no path for the GOP without Florida.

Patriots want to fly a flag of traitors?

This is one of those cognitive dissonance stances that the right has. Right in there with "Support the cops/troops! and the second amendment that says we can kill them!"

Edit: Yeah, people need to stop mentioning independents. They aren't really non-partisan, and Obama lost them in 2012. He also lost white people by larger margins, so unless the GOP has a plan to drive up white support back to Romney levels and gain some minority support, I'm not sweating.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Independents neck and neck? That's worrisome.

That's awesome. Have you forgotten that Romney won Independents by 5 and lost the election

 

[RustyNails]

I accidentally clicked the k-pop thread

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Good, good.

On another note:

Donald Trump in 2006: I 'sort of hope' real estate market tanks



There's so much juicy opposition research to use against Trump in the general.

The "Posted in PoliGAF" > "Hillary tweets about it" turnaround was like 2 hours.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733502420924399617

Jeb Bush would have taken 6 weeks to attack this.

 

[Hilbert]

The "Posted in PoliGAF" > "Hillary tweets about it" turnaround was like 2 hours.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733502420924399617

Jeb Bush would have taken 6 weeks to attack this.

Holy crap at the replies to that tweet. Have they always been this bad?

 

[Suikoguy]

The "Posted in PoliGAF" > "Hillary tweets about it" turnaround was like 2 hours.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733502420924399617

Jeb Bush would have taken 6 weeks to attack this.

Actually, that would be like attacking Trump from the left, so it would probably never be talked about.

 

[BanGy.nz]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733502420924399617

Every time I click on a Hillary Tweet one of the first comments is always a super dank meme.

Holy crap at the replies to that tweet. Have they always been this bad?

Damn it, Beaten like Hillary has beaten Bernie for the last 6 months

 

[mo60]

trump only 12 points ahead with whites is worrying for him ya.

I am not suprised.I expect clinton in this election cycle to maybe appeal to whites bettter than obama ever did because of her huge advantage with women

 

[Suikoguy]

Every time I click on a Hillary Tweet one of the first comments is always a super dank meme.
Beaten like Hillary has beaten Bernie for the last 6 months

I swear it's like a bot, as they are very rarely related to what the tweet was about. Probably just a coincidence when it is.

 

[VendettaRed07]

All that matters in terms of GE polls in my opinion are demographic breakdowns.

His near ties with Hillary won't translate into anything if he's losing Black, Latino, and Female voters like 80 to 20.

 

[Grief.exe]

That's awesome. Have you forgotten that Romney won Independents by 5 and lost the election

All that matters in terms of GE polls in my opinion are demographic breakdowns.

His near ties with Hillary won't translate into anything if he's losing Black, Latino, and Female voters like 80 to 20.

Okay, I was getting a little worried there.

I know these things, but there's a part of my brain that immediately thinks she should be farther ahead against Donald Trump in a general.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Holy crap at the replies to that tweet. Have they always been this bad?

Speaking of George "Thanos" Soros.

Soros even has the superpower (granted only to Jews) to make people forget to hang up their phones.

 

[studyguy]

Holy crap at the replies to that tweet. Have they always been this bad?

Twitter responses have youtube pretty beat with those largeform image macros

 

[ampere]

Shaun King gets annihilated, promises to respond...never does
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/733416271853715461

the piece in question:
Yes, Clinton is winning the popular vote &#8212; by a wide margin

I wonder what bullshit King will come up with tomorrow. What a fraud.

King has been extremely bad at covering this primary. He's in full "The Young Turks" mode saying everything is rigged and the media is lying.

Almost anything I see from him lately is garbage and word salad

Holy crap at the replies to that tweet. Have they always been this bad?

Twitter is an open platform where anyone can make unlimited accounts

Twitter replies have been like Youtube comments for a long time. Lots of really really nasty shit

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

The "Posted in PoliGAF" > "Hillary tweets about it" turnaround was like 2 hours.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733502420924399617

Jeb Bush would have taken 6 weeks to attack this.

The further I scrolled down in the comments for the tweet, the more I saw what insanity looked like. These people are nuts.

 

[Holmes]

Independents neck and neck? That's worrisome.

It's much better than how Obama performed with them against Romney. I'll take a tie at the height of Trump's post-primary bounce and when Democrats aren't as united as they can/should be (yet?). Democrats and Democratic-leaning Indies need to unite quickly, as fast as Republicans did when their primary ended.

 

[HylianTom]

Harry Enten points out:

In a complete shocker in this age of polarization, Clinton's lead over Trump in CBS News poll matches almost perfectly Obama's net approval.

Meanwhile, Reuters/IPSOS has a poll out this evening showing Clinton up by 5%.
(I want to see crosstabs though)

And Warren is tweeting at Trump again; I want to see if he takes the bait.

(We're getting whalloped by thunder & lightning right now..)

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Just a reminder to everyone that by next week, Rasmussen will officially be over-skewing the Trump Effect and we'll be seeing spreads of about +2 or less until the convention.

 

[blackw0lf]

Just a reminder to everyone that by next week, Rasmussen will officially be over-skewing the Trump Effect and we'll be seeing spreads of about +2 or less until the convention.

Anything that scares the shit out of complacent voters and gets them to the polls is fine by me.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Just a reminder to everyone that by next week, Rasmussen will officially be over-skewing the Trump Effect and we'll be seeing spreads of about +2 or less until the convention.

oh good, so we have another entire cycle of me hiding them and only them from the aggregate

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Anything that scares the shit out of complacent voters and gets them to the polls is fine by me.

oh good, so we have another entire cycle of me hiding them and only them from the aggregate

Well, yeah.

Once the +11 drops off the face of the earth, anything but a single new poll of +6 or two new polls adding a cumulative +8 will keep Clinton under a spread of two. We'll see what happens after next Thursday's Rasmussen (I suspect it will go down) but yeah, they're going to be pushing Trump's numbers for a while and all we'll hear is DEAD HEAT.

Macho, what polls do you expect next week? I want another CNN one

 

[Teggy]

So it seems like the general election campaign is going to be Trump and Clinton saying that the other isn't qualified to be president over and over.

 

[Suikoguy]

SuperDeluxe did the Trump / Kelly interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PXS62G38TQ

 

[User 463088]

Harry Enten points out:


Meanwhile, Reuters/IPSOS has a poll out this evening showing Clinton up by 5%.
(I want to see crosstabs though)

And Warren is tweeting at Trump again; I want to see if he takes the bait.

(We're getting whalloped by thunder & lightning right now..)

Stay safe

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Joan Walsh is smearing millions of people with demographic slurs and Demos can't stand by their writer?

"Black people don't often vote for Bernie"

"Demographic slurs."

Okay.

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/733458045917745152

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

So it seems like the general election campaign is going to be Trump and Clinton saying that the other isn't qualified to be president over and over.

Only one of those actually makes sense though.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/733485109068763137

Maybe the identity left will join with the alt right to advocate for resegregation and tax cuts

What a #take

BernieBro Gate.

https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/733490693981765632

(Spoilers: The guy was illiterate)

 

[Macho Madness]

Gary Johnson is against the Iran deal.

 

[Abinash117]

How many exit polls have actually gone into fine enough detail to get data from young black voters?

edit: Looks like it was done over 20 states.

But still, young white voters being +60 Bernie while young black voters are +3 Bernie and older black voters are +60 Hillary shows, uhh, some racial differences in candidate preferences.

Probably that AAs young and old trust Hillary a lot more and/or she probably connected to AAs better. I think she'll improve with young white voters, but it is going to be a huge effort. The major issue is that I think those voters are extremely focused on economic injustice. Hillary in that regarded is not similar in terms of rhetoric compared to Bernie. I think the only real way to convince those voters is her to adopt more of a fighter stance to economic injustice concerning mostly to the white working class and college students.

 

[Suikoguy]

Gary Johnson is against the Iran deal.

What the what?
How can he justify being against it?


Also:

Henry Kissinger Meets With Trump to &#8220;Develop his Foreign Policy Expertise&#8221;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nry-kissinger-gops-foreign-policy-eminence-2/

So much for that line of attack against Hillary.

Article date is the 16th, but I don't recall it being posted.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

"Black people don't often vote for Bernie"

"Demographic slurs."

Okay.

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/733458045917745152

Matt was calling Joan and them geriatric and saying they hated young people and saying the head of the center for American progress wanted to starve his mom.

I'd post the tweets but am on mobile

Didn't see you posted them.

Theyee are other horrible tweets. And they really think because more young people are voting for Bernie including minorities that the "white criticisms" of Bernie aren't valid and they especially hate when they come from women (because obviously women lie about the abuse they get let a few 20-30year old white dudes who are #fullcomunism tell them what really is going on!)

 

[Teggy]

Only one of those actually makes sense though.

Except that Trump will be saying "Bernie Sanders said Hillary was not qualified" (which he has already used).

 

[BlastProcessing]

Except that Trump will be saying "Bernie Sanders said Hillary was not qualified" (which he has already used).

I really don't think that that line of attack is going to land. It didn't land when Sanders tried it and it won't work for Trump. Trump is better off sticking to the "crooked" stuff.

 

[Retromelon]

It really doesn't make sense. Hillary is qualified to the nth degree.

 

[Teggy]

It really doesn't make sense. Hillary is qualified to the nth degree.

I don't know. Rubio's argument that her email server disqualified her was preeeeeeeeeetty convincing.

 

[VendettaRed07]

What the what?
How can he justify being against it?

He's a libertarian. So he likely isn't against if for the obvious reasons, but more some sort of roundabout nonsensical reason.

Like the government doesn't have the right to spend money on pens that would be required to sign the deal or something.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

You know how Bernie supporters are actively calling and threatening people

well the obvious response is to belittle that with jokes!

Dear Senator Sanders,
At a recent Hillary Clinton rally, a Bernie Sanders protestor, not only disrupted the event, but began harassing a young girl with a Hillary Clinton sign. In a violent rage, the protestor placed the small child into a 14th century trebuchet, and launched her over the ramparts of a castle wall. We are writing this petition to ask you to call on your supporters to stop using children as medieval siege weaponry. We are including the tweet about this incidence as evidence in the hopes that you can put an end to this despicable practice.
https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/729544191873851392
Thank you,
Leon

https://www.change.org/p/bernie-san...stop-launching-small-children-from-trebuchets

even jacobin posted this.

Its like they don't get why some of this stuff is so troubling!

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Wait, I think there's an important distinction here.

The black voter argument is "Clinton wins black voters because they are uninformed."

Adam's argument is "uninformed voters are more likely to select Bernie."

Those are really different arguments!

Are they? And I don't think he's saying "more likely", I think he's implying causality. (Which is okay, because he's right. The problem with the black voter argument is not that describing voters as underinformed is wrong, it's that it's factually incorrect in this case).

I actually don't think it's the same argument at all. I'm not saying if college kids were "better educated" they'd support Clinton. I'm saying Bernie's lack of specificity is a feature because they haven't been involved in politics before. If you believe that healthcare and education are a problem, then Bernie is offering you the gold standard solution. Their justification for supporting Bernie is 100% fine. I'm not belittling them for it. I'm not saying they're wrong or anything like that. Just that if you're new to the process, Bernie's solutions make total sense.

He doesn't always do better with the college educated voters. In fact, Hillary does better with those with postgraduate education than Bernie ever has. I would argue, though, that Bernie's ability to do well with "Some college" people is related to how he's doing among 18-29 year olds. They're the ones that are probably still in college. Hillary doing better with people with less formal education is probably, in part, because of the horrible way in which we segregate educational attainment.

Ok, you keep phrasing it in a particular way, but it's equivalent to saying "if these voters were more informed, they'd see that Bernie's policies are untenable and that Hillary is not Satan's taint." Which isn't wrong, but I just find it hilarious ironic we are now using the same argument they are.

He doesn't. He does better with college students. She beats him among graduates and those with higher degrees if I remember my polling right.

(And Adam mentioned this too). Woah. Didn't know this.

 

[eBay Huckster]

call on jacobin and the intercept to stop

just flat-out stop

stop posting stop operating stop providing my annoying slacktivist leftist friends with a conduit for contrarian garbage

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

call on jacobin and the intercept to stop

just flat-out stop

stop posting stop operating stop providing my annoying slacktivist leftist friends with a conduit for contrarian garbage

The Commies never stop.

(Snowden is actually hardcore right wing and wants the elimination of Social Security, but The Intercept is pretty clearly economically far-left in general).

 

[Metaphoreus]

Your literalist opinion on the matter Meta.

What's the deal with Texans and commas?

 

[Spoiled Milk]

What's the deal with Texans and commas?

Due to your impeccable and fastidious bookkeeping, I make the charge that you are not actually a lawyer, but a legal clerk.

 

[thebloo]

Was just looking at Republican numbers. Trump seems to need California to go over the 1237 number. Which means that "struggling" Hillary may reach the limit before him. Amusing.

 

[aspiegamer]

You know, I would not at all put it past Donald Trump to deliberately tank the national (and global) economies for the sake of cash building. If he was fine with that in 2006 as an observer, imagine what he could do while actually in charge of stuff! At no point has he ever denied that he was in this all to make money. At minimum, that raking it in was a bonus on top of ruling the world. Probably sits and wonders why past Presidents haven't taken some personal time to pull in a few billion while in charge.

Clinton's tweet is continuing what is going to be an extremely long streak of uses of the word "disqualify" for the rest of the year. Wanting your country's economy to tank is pretty nasty, though...

 

[Metaphoreus]

Due to your impeccable and fastidious bookkeeping, I make the charge that you are not actually a lawyer, but a legal clerk.

I've revealed my secret before:

How do you do that?

Except that mine's full of useless things like "stuff I've said or seen said on NeoGAF."

That and Google.

 

[StopMakingSense]

call on jacobin and the intercept to stop

just flat-out stop

stop posting stop operating stop providing my annoying slacktivist leftist friends with a conduit for contrarian garbage

But how else will they learn to call everything under the sun "neoliberal"

 

[Suikoguy]

I've revealed my secret before:

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