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Metaphoreus

This is semantics, and nothing more
In other news, Furious Federal Judge Orders Justice Department Lawyers to Undergo Ethics Training:

WSJ Law Blog said:
A federal judge in Texas has ordered hundreds of U.S. Department of Justice lawyers to undergo ethics training, accusing the agency of a “calculated plan of unethical conduct.”

The extraordinary order by U.S. District Judge Andrew S. Hanen says Justice Department lawyers intentionally misled him in the course of a lawsuit filed by Texas and 25 other mostly conservative states challenging the Obama administration’s immigration policy.

. . .

The judge’s pique was directed at statements Justice Department lawyers made in 2014 and early 2015 about the timing of program’s rollout.

. . .

The 2014 expansion broadened eligibility to include parents of U.S. citizens and increased the period or reprieve from two years to three. While the government never implemented the first part, it began issuing three-year deferrals for people who were already eligible under the 2012 rules — over 100,000 of them — as early as November 2014.

The problem, according to Judge Hanen, is the Justice Department assured him that the government wouldn’t begin implementing the program — which the judge took to mean any part of it — before February 2015, giving him time to review it. He also said the Justice Department misled him about how many three-year extensions were granted.

“The decision of the lawyers who apparently determined that these three-year renewals…were not covered by the Plaintiff States’ pleadings was clearly unreasonable,” he wrote. “The conduct of the lawyers who then covered up this decision was even worse.”

Judge Hanen wrote, “Such conduct is certainly not worthy of any department whose name includes the word ‘Justice.’”

This seems to be a trend at the DOJ:

WSJ Law Blog said:
With unusually strong language, a federal appeals court upbraided Justice Department lawyers representing the Internal Revenue Service for refusing to turn over discovery documents connected to a Tea Party lawsuit.

The class-action case stems from the IRS targeting controversy that erupted in 2013 dealing with its treatment of politically active conservative groups. . . .

The plaintiffs, led by NorCal Tea Party Patriots, filed their complaint in May 2013 but are still battling Justice Department tax division lawyers over discovery issues. The government, which disputes the claims and has sought to dismiss the lawsuit, has resisted turning over the “names and other identifying information” of similar organizations that applied for tax-exempt status. The applicant names, the government argues, are shielded from disclosure by a federal law.

After a lower court ordered the IRS to produce the names and other documents, the government intensified its push-back last year by filing a petition for a writ of mandamus with the Sixth Circuit that sought to “correct a clear legal error on the part of the trial court” resulting in “significant and irreversible” harm.

. . .

“[In this lawsuit the IRS has only compounded the conduct that gave rise to it,” wrote Judge Raymond Kethledge, a President George W. Bush appointee in an opinion joined by Damon Jerome Keith, a senior judge and Carter appointee, and David McKeague, another Bush appointee.

“The lawyers in the Department of Justice have a long and storied tradition of defending the nation’s interests and enforcing its laws — all of them, not just selective ones — in a manner worthy of the Department’s name. The conduct of the IRS’s attorneys in the district court falls outside that tradition,” Judge Kethledge wrote.

And (from the same article, quoting the Washington Post):

WaPo said:
The unusually severe tongue-lashing by the appellate judges followed a similar rebuke of the government in the unrelated but even more sensitive case involving a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a conservative group, involving former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s personal email system.

Fed up with what he considered a drawn-out runaround by the State Department in the case, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of the District of Columbia accused the government of engaging in “a constant drip” in complying with the FOIA request. “That’s what we’re having here,” he said “… and it needs to stop. … How on earth can the Court conclude that there’s not, at a minimum, a reasonable suspicion of bad faith regarding the State Department’s response to this FOIA request?”
 

mo60

Member
You know, I would not at all put it past Donald Trump to deliberately tank the national (and global) economies for the sake of cash building. If he was fine with that in 2006 as an observer, imagine what he could do while actually in charge of stuff! At no point has he ever denied that he was in this all to make money. At minimum, that raking it in was a bonus on top of ruling the world. Probably sits and wonders why past Presidents haven't taken some personal time to pull in a few billion while in charge.

Clinton's tweet is continuing what is going to be an extremely long streak of uses of the word "disqualify" for the rest of the year. Wanting your country's economy to tank is pretty nasty, though...

Clinton's campaign from now until november is going to find a lot of dumb things he said like the time he said he wanted to tank the US economy for his own gain. He's going to be doing a lot of defending I bet until november.
 

Havoc2049

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I posted this in the scariest box art thread on the gaming side. Thought PoliGAF might get a kick out of it.

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Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 31m31 minutes ago
I said that Crooked Hillary Clinton is "not qualified" to be president because she has "very bad judgement" - Bernie said the same thing!

Thanks Bernie...
 
But what I'm confused about is that they picked a subject that made them look as ridiculous as bathrooms. They could have gone with more technical bullshit like requiring more counseling before transitioning or trying to limit the supply of hormones. These things would have been terrible, but they wouldn't have been ridiculous looking to voters.

Appointing yourself "bathroom police" looks ridiculous.

It's ridiculous, but it's visceral. Nuance about counseling or hormones would just get lost in the weeds. "OMG THEY ARE IN THE BATHROOM WITH YOUR DAUGHTERS" hits harder.

And they keep forgetting the poor transgirls and transwomen who will have to go to the men's room if they get their way.

I am not suprised.I expect clinton in this election cycle to maybe appeal to whites bettter than obama ever did because of her huge advantage with women

Clinton appeals to whites better than Obama because she's white. More Occam's Razor to me.
 
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 31m31 minutes ago
I said that Crooked Hillary Clinton is "not qualified" to be president because she has "very bad judgement" - Bernie said the same thing!

Thanks Bernie...

I.

Fucking.

Called.

It.

Guarantee you, "Bernie said" is going to be a constant refrain from the Trump camp through November. Great job, Bernie. You've been great.
 

Cheebo

Banned
Trump fanning the flames of the Bernie Bros makes me think he is smarter than he lets on. It's a smart move knowing what we know of ignorant Bernie supporters who hate irrational hate of Hillary.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member

Maxim726X

Member
All that matters in terms of GE polls in my opinion are demographic breakdowns.

His near ties with Hillary won't translate into anything if he's losing Black, Latino, and Female voters like 80 to 20.

Exactly.

Still a little early to draw meaningful conclusions, but it's very encouraging.

Remember, 538 uses a combination of polls and demographic data to come up with their estimates... Which have were almost completely spot on last election cycle. Demographics matter.
 

royalan

Member
They should stop fucking call-in interviews. He's the Republican nominee.

Agreed.

To me, this real takeway from this election will be how easily Trump was able to openly gloat about hacking the media, the media complain constantly about him hacking them...while CONTINUING to give him unprecedented levels of coverage.

Trump has really exposed the media.
 

HUELEN10

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Trump fanning the flames of the Bernie Bros makes me think he is smarter than he lets on. It's a smart move knowing what we know of ignorant Bernie supporters who hate irrational hate of Hillary.

Don't sell the intelligent, informed Sanders/Trump fans short now.
 
They should stop fucking call-in interviews. He's the Republican nominee.

I can't even imagine any presidential candidate calling in interviews. Picture Obama calling into a news program every few days to chime in. It wouldn't happen. Same with Romney, McCain, Clinton, Bush, Gore, Kerry, I just can't imagine any of them doing this.
 
Agreed.

To me, this real takeway from this election will be how easily Trump was able to openly gloat about hacking the media, the media complain constantly about him hacking them...while CONTINUING to give him unprecedented levels of coverage.

Trump has really exposed the media.

What they want is Clinton doing the same thing, all they want is ratings.

It's disgraceful.
 
Bernie Sanders is the worst thing that has happened to the Democratic Party.

I want to change the rules so you can only run for Dem President if you have been a Dem for last 10 years.
 
Trump fanning the flames of the Bernie Bros makes me think he is smarter than he lets on. It's a smart move knowing what we know of ignorant Bernie supporters who hate irrational hate of Hillary.
Why give him so much credit for a patently obvious political move?

And what about Trump "lets on" that he isn't a devious asshole? That's his whole persona!
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...he-stump-quietly-reassures-democrats-on-unity
#unity
Dick Durbin got an unexpected call from the Vermont senator.
Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, came away from the conversation on Wednesday convinced that Sanders, who has all but lost the presidential nomination battle to Hillary Clinton, understands the need for party unity and will do his part to defeat presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump.
Sanders has reached out to multiple Senate colleagues in an attempt to assuage them. Among them is Senator Barbara Boxer of California, whose keynote speech at the Nevada state Democratic convention last weekend was disrupted by rowdy Sanders supporters in a situation she described as frightening and out of control.

For the sake of the party
or maybe not.
For Sanders, the decision on how hard to push carries implications for his future in the Senate, where he's currently next in line to chair the influential Senate Budget Committee.
#selfinterest?
 
I want to see the WSJ/NBC News poll coming out Sunday, Chuck Todd seemed suprised but didn't go into details.

Just saw the Trump call-in (again) to Fox. Holy shit was he nasty to Clinton.
 

royalan

Member
Bernie Sanders is the worst thing that has happened to the Democratic Party.

I want to change the rules so you can only run for Dem President if you have been a Dem for last 10 years.
Agreed. Wouldn't be surprised if both parties did this going forward.

You shouldn't be allowed to join a party JUST to run for President. And there are PLENTY of progressive democrats, including the woman who is the frontrunner, so what Bernie has presented isn't even new.
 

Cheebo

Banned
Blame space is still around, so... Lol
His is more trolling in an endearing way lol. If Huelen was just trolling her bizarre Star Trek/Apple stuff that she does that's different. I find that stuff funny in its bizarreness. But trolling every single political thread is a bit much. Oh well.
 
In a hypothetical future where Hillary won in 2008, and this is now a primary of Obama vs Bernie, would Bernie fans be behaving exactly the same way, and would Obama's unfavorabilities be the same as Hillary's are now?

I kind of wonder this, especially since Obama is a bit more conservative than Hillary, but puts out a much more liberal air about him.

Funny to think of an alternate future where people are posting that Obama is a weak candidate. I'd want to see the alt future where Obama runs against Trump as well, I assume that would have been a blood bath.
 

ampere

Member
I am more baffled how Huelen gets away with being a blatant troll/joke character for this long. It's impressive in its own way.

I don't know how it's decided what trolling/shitposting is ok, best way to handle that concern is PM a mod though
 

ampere

Member
In a hypothetical future where Hillary won in 2008, and this is now a primary of Obama vs Bernie, would Bernie fans be behaving exactly the same way, and would Obama's unfavorabilities be the same as Hillary's are now?

I kind of wonder this, especially since Obama is a bit more conservative than Hillary, but puts out a much more liberal air about him.

Funny to think of an alternate future where people are posting that Obama is a weak candidate. I'd want to see the alt future where Obama runs against Trump as well, I assume that would have been a blood bath.

Is Obama more conservative or does he end up looking that way because of his constant attempts to compromise?

There's no way his unfavorables would be as high, Hillary has been around too long to build them up
 

Zornack

Member
Seems like the stuff about unifying for the sake of his future in the senate is just speculation on the author's part.

Sanders is reaching out assuring there'll be unity. Be glad.
 
Seems like the stuff about unifying for the sake of his future in the senate is just speculation on the author's part.

Sanders is reaching out assuring there'll be unity. Be glad.

Sanders is old. He will probably forget what he offered. Private BS aside, what matters is what the campaign is doing publicly. And publicly they are being grade A assholes.
 
the Primaries will end early on June 7th. New Jersey will get her over to finish line in total dels.

Virgin Islands + Puerto Rico on the weekend prior will be very good to her.
 
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