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[Nazgul_Hunter]

The electoral college does not function within a 3 (or more) party system. If one candidate does not win a full majority of the electoral college then the Congress gets to pick whoever they want to be President. Having 3+ viable candidates makes achieving 50% of the electoral votes highly improbable, if not impossible.

If you want more than two choices then that would require constitutional amendments to alter how we elect Presidents.

I've always wondered why there were no runoff provisions for Presidential Elections. They're mostly irrelevant in a 2 party system. I guess it goes to show that the Founding Father's idea of democracy was still very much rooted in insiders picking.

 

[B-Dubs]

I've always wondered why there were no runoff provisions for Presidential Elections. They're mostly irrelevant in a 2 party system. I guess it goes to show that the Founding Father's idea of democracy was still very much rooted in insiders picking.

Well, they did only give the vote to white male landowners.

 

[NeoXChaos]

confused but maybe not

Open- Independents, Democrats, Republican, Green Party, Non-Party affiliated etc can vote as long as they are registered to vote

Closed- Democrats only in Democratic Primary. Republicans only in Republican Primary.

Semi-Closed- Democrats, Independents, Non-Party Affiliated only in Democratic Primary. Republicans, Independents, Non-Part Affiliated in Republican Primary

Semi-closed systems, however, allow unaffiliated voters to participate as well. Depending on the state, independents either make their choice of party primary privately, inside the voting booth, or publicly, by registering with any party on Election Day.

Semi-Open- ballot request of party to vote in otherwise same as open.

The primary difference between a semi-open and open primary system is the use of a party-specific ballot. In a semi-open primary, a public declaration in front of the election judges is made and a party-specific ballot given to the voter to cast. Certain states that use the open-primary format may print a single ballot and the voter must choose on the ballot itself which political party's candidates they will select for a contested office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election

*So for those who live in CA which is semi-closed. If you are registered Independent you cant vote but if you are Non-Party Affiliated(meaning registered to no party) you can vote?

 

[digdug2k]

I wonder if any of these late-primary states have ever considered going winner-takes-all just to make themselves relevant. NPR had a Bernie interview earlier this week and all the CA callers were just "I'm so excited to have my vote actually count". But if California went WTA, it would basically change the whole process (also it would suck. I hate that states are WTA for the presidential election).

 

[eBay Huckster]

Hillary isn't going to the debate

Reddit's furious. Everyone else just shrugs and says "what's the point?"

of course reddit's furious, anyone still on s4p is literally getting paid for it

 

[gcubed]

The electoral college does not function within a 3 (or more) party system. If one candidate does not win a full majority of the electoral college then the Congress gets to pick whoever they want to be President. Having 3+ viable candidates makes achieving 50% of the electoral votes highly improbable, if not impossible.

If you want more than two choices then that would require constitutional amendments to alter how we elect Presidents.

forgot about that part.

oh well.

I like the way California does it, there is no just Rep/Dem, the top x people get put on the ballot, even if it means there are 3 dem's fighting against each other. Ideally proportional would be the best so we can actually get different voices at the federal level. I *do* think local generally works out ok, its when it rolls up that it gets all shit out

 

[studyguy]

CA debate is way too fucking late considering when we got our mail ins, no one gives a shit anymore. God damn.

 

[Iolo]

of course reddit's furious, anyone still on s4p is literally getting paid for it

It would be funny if the remaining heat and light on s4p was being generated by marketing interns from Revolution Messaging and Correct the Record. Like submarines surfacing to nuke each other on standing orders long after the world has been destroyed.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

CA debate is way too fucking late considering when we got our mail ins, no one gives a shit anymore. God damn.

Kamala Harris 2024

"First a black president, then a woman president... now we've got an Indian/Black woman? Ridiculous!"

 

[sc0la]

Kamala Harris 2024

"First a black president, then a woman president... now we've got an Indian/Black woman? Ridiculous!"

 

[Mael]

http://www.bernieis45.org/

News section :
Title : Why Hillary Clinton will not be the Democratic nominee
I actually expected an Ha! Good, man link or something.
I got this instead :

Hillary Clinton will not be the Democratic nominee despite what the media tells you. She is not behind in delegates as they say, in fact the delegates can vote for whoever they choose at the convention.

The primaries are essentially only preferences, and that means that the real voters will be able to choose Bernie as the nominee at the convention.

It is not in the stars to hold our destiny but in ourselves. - Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders will be the next president.

This is the whole article btw.

 

[Fox318]

Kamala Harris 2024

"First a black president, then a woman president... now we've got an Indian/Black woman? Ridiculous!"

at least its not Pauly Shore.

 

[NeoXChaos]

so I assume s4p will shutdown when Bernie is gone right?

 

[Cybit]

Pretty great series of e-mails on TPM from May 2008:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/eight-years-ago

Yep.

As much as everyone jokes about diablosing it in this thread about Trump, the actual diablosing going on is about how what Sanders is doing in '16 is going to end different than Clinton '08...even though they making the same actual arguments, and by the time of the convention, a higher percentage of Clinton supporters said they would not support Obama than Sanders supporters said they won't support Clinton.

http://www.thenation.com/article/relax-bernies-supporters-will-support-hillary-if-shes-the-nominee/

This happens over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

The constant "OMG SANDERS IS GONNA COST CLINTON THE ELECTION" "SANDERS IS THE WORST" handwringing is the actual Diablosing going on in this thread.

EDIT: The best part is, we're watching the GOP coalesce around a candidate that is hated FAR more by his fellow party mates in real time, and yet somehow we think Sanders / the Dems will be different.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/733292927229792257

The Antisemitism of Trump's supporters is so extreme that I can't imagine Jewish journalists staying neutral through this election.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

so I assume s4p will shutdown when Bernie is gone right?

Thisisntevenmyfinalform

 

[RastaMentality]

From Bloomberg.com's on Weiner:

And as it turns out ... there were cameras rolling the whole time. In the 10th episode of the Culture Caucus podcast, we discuss the new film Weiner, which documents that campaign in an uncomfortably detailed and intimate manner. Co-directed by a former Weiner aide, but far from a glossy reconstruction of his image, the film shows us moments inside a campaign that the public would simply never see, and, more than that, moments inside a marriage. Whether it's staffers screaming at Weiner for his indiscretions, a desperate circling of the wagons to avoid a confrontation with the aforementioned Leathers (code name "Pineapple") on election night, or a series of increasingly wrought reaction shots from a petrified Abedin, the film is one of the most fascinating and informative political documentaries of all time.

http://bloom.bg/1rYwKMn

That's insane they released that much footage.
This movie's basically a sure fire hit when it gets released on Netflix though. This much scandal always does well.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

From Bloomberg.com's on Weiner:


http://bloom.bg/1rYwKMn

That's insane they released that much footage.

.

 

[User1608]

https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/733292927229792257

The Antisemitism of Trump's supporters is so extreme that I can't imagine Jewish journalists staying neutral through this election.

I'm reading the replies. What a fucking horror movie.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Yes, Obama is a wonderful president despite some big misgivings. I am forever grateful for his presence and the help he gave me.

Gonna miss him.

That feeling when you realize Obama will be out there campaigning with Democrat candidates for another three to four decades

 

[DataStream]

https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/733292927229792257

The Antisemitism of Trump's supporters is so extreme that I can't imagine Jewish journalists staying neutral through this election.

I can imagine this is only going to get worse. Fucking awful.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oklahoma-lgbt-idUSKCN0YB1Z0

Oklahoma's Republican-dominated legislature has filed a measure calling for President Barack Obama's impeachment over his administration's recommendations on accommodating transgender students, saying he overstepped his constitutional authority.

Lawmakers in the socially conservative state are also expected to take up a measure as early as Friday that would allow students to claim a religious right to have separate but equal bathrooms and changing facilities to segregate them from transgender students.

....................................................... Huh.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Oklahoma was a mistake.

 

[dramatis]

EDIT: The best part is, we're watching the GOP coalesce around a candidate that is hated FAR more by his fellow party mates in real time, and yet somehow we think Sanders / the Dems will be different.

Because 2010/2014 were spooky. Because 2000 proved that Dems don't fall in line like Republicans do. And that is how the Republicans have come to dominate in so many political offices nationwide.

I think Sanders will eventually admit defeat. But I'm not under the illusion that he will do so wholeheartedly. Nor am I so optimistic to believe that there wasn't any damage done by Sanders. The damage in question is not to Hillary but rather to the organization we need to effect the changes we want for the next twenty years.

 

[Retromelon]

Bet they were singing "OH IM JUSTANOKIEFROMUSKOGEEE" as they voted for the impeachment, those halfwit hicks

 

[User 85168]

NPR Politics Podcast made an "applause" soundbit by putting together Beyonce's "Put Your Hands Up" and Jeb's "Please Clap"

loooooool

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I know what people mean, but "Republicans fall in line!" feels so strange after Republican primary voters just destroyed the Republican party and every popular politician in it to nominate a man who isn't religious, paid women to get abortions, and wants to start a trade war with China and Japan and South Korea.

 

[Aaron Strife]

That feeling when you realize Obama will be out there campaigning with Democrat candidates for another three to four decades

Yup. Plus unlike Clinton he doesn't have any personal scandal to tarnish his image. It'll be hard to argue against his legacy.

 

[User 463088]

I take perverse pleasure in the fact that the Oklahoma football team (Known as the Sooners) annoys my mom so much every time anyone mentions it she responds with "Sooner shit than get off the pot." With the whole bathroom thing, it just makes me laugh.

 

[PBY]

I know what people mean, but "Republicans fall in line!" feels so strange after Republican primary voters just destroyed the Republican party and every popular politician in it to nominate a man who isn't religious, paid women to get abortions, and wants to start a trade war with China and Japan and South Korea.

Better than shillary tho amirite

 

[FloydtheFathead]

I take perverse pleasure in the fact that the Oklahoma football team (Known as the Sooners) annoys my mom so much every time anyone mentions it she responds with "Sooner shit than get off the pot." With the whole bathroom thing, it just makes me laugh.

And she's gonna love it when they beat Ohio State this season

 

[User 463088]

And she's gonna love it when they beat Ohio State this season

You shut your whore mouth.

I had to take the shitty schedule at work so I could have Saturdays off. Ugh.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

You shut your whore mouth.

16 positions Adam..

We have to fill 16.. We are dropping 3 games hopefully at most.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The jacobin gets so damn stupid during election season it seems

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/05/hillary-clinton-dnc-bernie-sanders-lenin-democracy/

Now that they’ve discovered the notion that a political party, faced with a dangerous political enemy, should suppress all internal criticism of its putative leader lest she be “harmed” by that criticism, and that the party should refrain from fractious internal debates lest it be ill-equipped to defeat the enemy, I wonder if liberals are rethinking their views on Lenin.

The principle of democratic centralism and autonomy for local Party organisations implies universal and full freedom to criticise, so long as this does not disturb the unity of a definite action; it rules out all criticism which disrupts or makes difficult the unity of an action decided on by the Party.

Actually, by the standards of today’s liberal, Lenin’s strictures come off as relatively benign. He at least called for “universal and full freedom to criticise” the party unless and until that criticism threatened “the unity of an action decided on by the Party.”

Whereas the Democrats haven’t even yet decided on Clinton, and we’re already being told that any criticism of her in anticipation of that decision will threaten the party’s ability to act upon that decision once it is made.

This is stupid lazy thinking from a supposed highbrow socialist magazine

During the early republic, UCLA political scientist Karen Orren has argued, the prerogatives of political office were thought to be a kind of personal property right, something that belonged to the officeholder.

In the nineteenth century, those “officers’ rights” slowly began to give way — under pressure from democratic movements from below — to a notion of citizens’ rights. Matters of state, in other words, weren’t to be viewed through the prism of their effects upon the officeholder; they were to be understood from the vantage of the democratic citizen and the needs of a democratic polity.

Now, apparently, we’re returning to the earlier view of politics. Now we’re expected to view matters of state through the eye of the officeholder. Now we’re expected to consider how an insistence that we count all votes in Florida — or see a primary campaign through its end — helps or harms the fate, the personal fate, of the officeholder. Or would-be officeholder.

There are many words for that type of political system. Democracy is not one of them.

BERNE IS LOSING IN A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION.

 

[User 463088]

And she's gonna love it when they beat Ohio State this season

16 positions Adam..

We have to fill 16.. We are dropping 3 games hopefully at most.

I got a phone call from Hillary's people today asking how interested I was in volunteering. Good to see they're working on it now. I offered to do whatever on my days off. Hopefully can give them 20 hours a week or so.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr..._climate_change_denier_as_energy_advisor.html

Bernie voters will come home.

 

[Holmes]

Hillary I love you but fire the staffer who made this.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733694076961329152

 

[sangreal]

Hillary I love you but fire the staffer who made this.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733694076961329152

the replies are hilarious though

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Weird Twitter for Bernie is responding to Bernie fans sending death threats to Hillary supporters well.

https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/733519190087229440

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Weird Twitter for Bernie is responding to Bernie fans sending death threats to Hillary supporters well.

https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/733519190087229440

I posted this dudes change petion earlier.

I mean lets mock real threats to some idiot where people bought the joke

 

[eBay Huckster]

16 positions Adam..

We have to fill 16.. We are dropping 3 games hopefully at most.

in before this is 2014 all over again

 

[pigeon]

Hillary I love you but fire the staffer who made this.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733694076961329152

OH MY GOD TILTED

BREAK UP THE BIG BANKS

 

[User 463088]

in before this is 2014 all over again

It...it might be? Please? PLEASSSSEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Also, man, I just got a call from the local party asking me to help out with Strickland. People blowing up my phone today.

I will help Strickland, but it's the most low energy support you can possibly imagine. Like...meh.

 

[ampere]

I'm checking out Keeping it 1600 since so many of y'all are talking about it

Kamala Harris 2024

"First a black president, then a woman president... now we've got an Indian/Black woman? Ridiculous!"

Not sure America can handle such a babe running for president

/wipes brow

 

[NYCmetsfan]

In other news, Furious Federal Judge Orders Justice Department Lawyers to Undergo Ethics Training:



This seems to be a trend at the DOJ:



And (from the same article, quoting the Washington Post):

Yeah I'm not gonna take anything from this judge seriously. And way to hide up how completely insane this order is and his attempted Doxing of hundreds of thousands of immigrants

He's a poltiician pretending to be a judge.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ses-become-public-thanks-judges-insane-order/

A federal judge with a history of anti-immigrant sentiment ordered the federal government to turn over the names, addresses and “all available contact information” of over 100,000 immigrants living within the United States. He does so in a strange order that quotes extensively from movie scripts and that alleges a conspiracy of attorneys “somewhere in the halls of the Justice Department whose identities are unknown to this Court.”

This is intimidation from a federal judge.

At the time, only one active federal judge, Judge Hanen, sat in Brownsville, so the attorneys’ decision to file their case nearly 300 miles away meant that it was highly likely that the case would be assigned to a judge that once accused federal officials of engaging in a “dangerous course of action” because they permitted an undocumented mother to be reunited with her child without facing criminal charges. Hanen later issued a nationwide order halting the Obama administration’s new policies.

But let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that Hanen is correct and that the Justice Department’s actions must be viewed in the most sinister light possible. An additional mystery is why Hanen decided to punish literally tens of thousands of individuals who are not before his court and who had nothing to do with any statements made by the particular attorneys in this case.

Hanen’s order calls for two sets of sanctions against the Justice Department. The first requires the government to turn over the personal information — including addresses — of every single one of the more than 100,000 DACA beneficiaries that received a three-year renewal or approval. Though Hanen will initially keep this information under seal, he adds that he shall “on a showing of good cause . . . release the list or a portion thereof to” state authorities in one of the 26 states that sued the administration to halt DAPA and expanded DACA.

He knows some racist asshole like Kris Kobach (IDK if a secretary of state can do this but there are some states) is going to request this information on the grounds of "voter fraud" and they will be threatened and possibly attacked by racists

And you know this is just none sense

Additionally, Hanen ordered potentially hundreds of attorneys to attend remedial courses, regardless of whether those lawyers have ever appeared in his courtroom or even set foot in the state of Texas. Under his order, every single lawyer “employed at the Justice Department in Washington, D.C. who appears, or seeks to appear, in a court (state or federal) in any of the 26 Plaintiff States” must “annually attend a legal ethics course.” The Attorney General must appoint someone to provide annual reports to Hanen for five years, which must include “the name of the lawyer, the court in which the individual appeared, the date of the appearance and the time and location of the ethics program attended.” And, in case that’s not enough, he also ordered the Attorney General herself to “report to this Court in sixty (60) days with a comprehensive plan to prevent” the alleged misconduct that Hanen believes happened in his courtroom “from ever occurring again.”

An open question is whether the Justice Department will file a motion to remove Hanen from the case. Federal law states that “[a]ny justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned,” and appeals courts have, on rare occasions, cited this provision to remove judges from cases where their actions create an “appearance of partiality.”

Lets hope he gets removed.

 

[SheSaidNo]

The jacobin gets so damn stupid during election season it seems

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/05/hillary-clinton-dnc-bernie-sanders-lenin-democracy/



This is stupid lazy thinking from a supposed highbrow socialist magazine

BERNE IS LOSING IN A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION.

I mean its their online articles, every publication has stupid stuff sometime to push out content. I remember reading this really stupid anti science zika article https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/04/zika-mosquitos-crispr-genetic-engineering-puerto-rico/, but on a whole they put out good articles

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I mean its their online articles, every publication has stupid stuff sometime to push out content. I remember reading this really stupid anti science zika article https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/04/zika-mosquitos-crispr-genetic-engineering-puerto-rico/, but on a whole they put out good articles

I mean I'm not going to ignore them like the intercept but they're just making me sad.

I mean I don't agree with a lot of what the right (well most, I'm not a socialist or a marxist) but I don't remember them being this stupid.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

in before this is 2014 all over again

One can only hope.. All I know is that if they lose 3 games this season we may need to fire Urban /s

that would be 59-7 assuming it goes like I think it will. Christ.. That's ridiculous.

It...it might be? Please? PLEASSSSEEEEEEEEEEEE.

I think we are going to have what Florida State styles season like they did last year. It feels like that's what the most likely outcome this season.

 

[User1608]

That feeling when you realize Obama will be out there campaigning with Democrat candidates for another three to four decades

He will be a great asset and team player. It'll be cool to see what he does after the presidency. Then again I wouldn't blame him if he chilled out for a long time.

 

[Cybit]

He will be a great asset and team player. It'll be cool to see what he does after the presidency. Then again I wouldn't blame him if he chilled out for a long time.

Make him the sports czar. That would be amazing.