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[ShadowSwordmaster]

Zuck is probably the worst celebrity candidate on the planet. He has the personality and charisma of burnt toast.

He seems like a bad choice for anybody at this point.

 

[Teggy]

How dare the Germans sell cars to Americans.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

I don't know if this Police bill will go anywhere but I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit concerned

Only saw the headline. But I want out

 

[Host Samurai]

Trump Said He Would Donate Foreign-Government Profits; Docs Suggest Limited Effort


This entire administration should just be called Limited Effort.

This pisses me off so much.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

@alexis_levinson
At polling place in Bozeman, haven't found anyone yet who changed their mind bc of last night's events. #MTAL

As expected. After Trump not really sure this kind of stuff affects voters.

 

[fredrancour]

I should stay away from the Montana thread.
In other news, why is Zuck so adamant to get into poltics?

"Shit, if America idolizes money enough to elect unqualified rich assholes, better me than the ultimate used car salesman."

 

[Teggy]

Trump tweeted his 48% Rasmussen approval rating.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Didn't exactly go great.

edit: let me clarify. I did not mean "why do these celebrities think it's possible to do it," I meant why would these celebrities think it's a good idea after seeing what is happening right now.

Because they *also* think they'd be better at it, and they are right. Of course there is still PLENTY of room to be an awful President, but there is essentially zero chance they would be the worst President in history.

In terms of temperament, personality, and general intelligence, Donald Trump is nearly the worst possible choice in the entire country. Someone asked during the election season if you would rather have Trump or an American picked at random for President, and I think it's clear by now that a random choice among all eligible Americans would have an excellent chance at being a better President than Trump.

There are dumber people than Trump. There are more self-centered people than Trump. There are more corrupt people than Trump. There are very, very few who are so particularly ill-suited in all of these respects for the Presidency.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Trump tweeted his 48% Rasmussen approval rating.

Did it go up?

 

[Box of Kittens]

@alexis_levinson
At polling place in Bozeman, haven't found anyone yet who changed their mind bc of last night's events. #MTAL

As expected. After Trump not really sure this kind of stuff affects voters.

Unless some people decided to stay home because of it, which you wouldn't discover by talking to people at a polling place.

 

[whyamihere]

In other news.

Across the pond, it's now (slightly) possible that Theresa May might end up with a huge egg on her face.

@britainelects
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (-1)
LAB: 38% (+3)
LDEM: 10% (+1)
UKIP: 4% (+1)

(via @YouGov / 24 - 25 May)

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Did it go up?

That's 8 - 10 points higher than any other poll, lol.

 

[sc0la]

If you squint your eyes, it kinda looks like Opa-opa is shooting Trump.

Woah! XD

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

That's 8 - 10 points higher than any other poll, lol.

I mean when the polled last time.

 

[Fenderputty]

Unless some people decided to stay home because of it, which you wouldn't discover by talking to people at a polling place.

This is the only effect that would have happened. People don't change teams because the star player beat somebody up. They just might not go to the game and only watch from TV.

 

[Vimes]

In other news.

Across the pond, it's now (slightly) possible that Theresa May might end up with a huge egg on her face.

Pls let this happen, I want my

Spoiler

third, I have multiple citizenships

country back.

 

[Ernest]

Trump tweeted his 48% Rasmussen approval rating.

Which means he does pay attention to his polling, all of it, and I'm sure his historically low numbers keep him up at night... good, GOOD!

 

[sphagnum]

This is going to be hilarious in all the ways that Trump wasn't.

It's pretty easy to criticize UBI from a socialist POV.

 

[Box of Kittens]

I can only see Zuckerberg having a shot as an independent when we're in another Trump/Hillary situation when both candidates are loathed, and even then only if he's a good bit older and has beefed up his credentials.

I don't see that as a viable strategy. As unpopular as Trump/Clinton were, they still collectively received over 94% of the vote. Most people will line up behind their party's nominee, even if they don't like them. Since political parties formed in the US, every president has come from what was at the time considered one of the two main parties. The only case of an independent/third party candidate even finishing second was Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, and he was a popular former president.

 

[Kusagari]

The Corbyn revolution is upon us.

 

[Teggy]

I mean when the polled last time.

Most recent was 44. But pretty much every other poll is at 40 or lower.

 

[NeoXChaos]

I don't see that as a viable strategy. As unpopular as Trump/Clinton were, they still collectively received over 94% of the vote. Most people will line up behind their party's nominee, even if they don't like them. Since political parties formed in the US, every president has come from what was at the time considered one of the two main parties. The only case of an independent/third party candidate even finishing second was Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, and he was a popular former president.

So if Democrats ever nominate a Trump they would line up with him 94%?

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

In other news.

Across the pond, it's now (slightly) possible that Theresa May might end up with a huge egg on her face.

!!!

It's pretty easy to criticize UBI from a socialist POV.

I doubt Zuck is on-board with the large number of nationalizations Bruenig would like.

 

[sc0la]

Where's the 5'o Oppo?

It's 5'ocloppo somewhere

 

[The Technomancer]

It's pretty easy to criticize UBI from a socialist POV.

It is, but I've also been grappling recently with how to fold this into a vision of socialism that isn't too labor centric.

EDIT: Like, if you're anarcho socialist the labor community angle really doesn't sit well with me and if you're state socialist then...UBI or its equivalent seems like its going to feature really prominently

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Most recent was 44. But pretty much every other poll is at 40 or lower.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Ernest]

It's 5'ocloppo somewhere

Ooh, I wanna string it all together;
The 5'O'clocko WaPo Oppo droppo!

Too silly?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

To be clear, the best poll so far has still shown a hung parliament with a very clearly Conservative minority forming government, so it's not like Red Dawn: Nationalize Harder. But it'd be a huge embarassment for May, and simultaneously a big rebuke of the centrist wing of the Labour Party. I think it would cement 'Corbynism' as the new path of the Labour Party, even once Corbyn himself goes.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

To be clear, the best poll so far has still shown a hung parliament with a very clearly Conservative minority forming government, so it's not like Red Dawn: Nationalize Harder. But it'd be a huge embarassment for May, and simultaneously a big rebuke of the centrist wing of the Labour Party. I think it would cement 'Corbynism' as the new path of the Labour Party, even once Corbyn himself goes.

so what you're saying is that this poll proves Bernie would have won

 

[Deleted member 231381]

so what you're saying is that this poll proves Bernie would have won

Without a doubt, it confirms it completely, and also the consquent hypothesis that everyone who ever remotely associated with Clinton is a poopy butthole.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

To be clear, the best poll so far has still shown a hung parliament with a very clearly Conservative minority forming government, so it's not like Red Dawn: Nationalize Harder. But it'd be a huge embarassment for May, and simultaneously a big rebuke of the centrist wing of the Labour Party. I think it would cement 'Corbynism' as the new path of the Labour Party, even once Corbyn himself goes.

Wrong side of the pond, mate.

 

[kirblar]

It's pretty easy to criticize UBI from a socialist POV.

It's also easy to criticize it by calling it a handout to the "other", too!

 

[The Technomancer]

Oh my god did Trump really go full Fawlty?

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Has Zuckerberg always been a Democrat or is he just running as one? I'm not sure if it's just because he is super rich, but I always thought he a Republican.

He's neither, he's in it for himself and Facebook and the knowledge economy. His company's PAC donates to both Republicans and Democrats.

 

[nature boy]

After Trump's NATO remarks WH econ adviser Gary Cohn tells AF1 pool: "Right now, we don’t have a position" on Russia sanctions.

https://twitter.com/carolelee/status/867853665159307265

 

[Fenderputty]

I personally like the idea of a negative income tax better as it targets need better. At least until the demand for labor makes us rethink the entire structure.

 

[broz0rs]

Zuckerberg is going to be the next Steve Forbes

 

[Armaros]

Only saw the headline. But I want out

The text is even more frightening.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

Old?

First actual (low level) collusion story

Florida GOPer Helped Russian Hacker Disseminate Dems’ Voter Turnout Data

A Republican political operative in Florida asked the alleged Russian hacker who broke into Democratic Party organizations’ servers at the height of the 2016 campaign to pass him stolen documents, according to a report Thursday by the Wall Street Journal.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Old?

First actual (low level) collusion story

Florida GOPer Helped Russian Hacker Disseminate Dems’ Voter Turnout Data

We had a thread about this.

 

[Xando]

This might be the greatest twitter thread i've ever read:

1. Trump NATO meeting reminds me of a story I was never authorized to share, until now. His 1st call w/ Prime Minister of Denmark last year

2. This story was shared with me in December and confirmed by two high-level sources.

After the election it was widely reported that world leaders had a difficult time reaching Trump.

4. Normally calls w/ foreign leaders/POTUS elect are arranged w/ State Dept. This email @AmbassadorRice sent to Podesta explains process.

5. So the Prime Minister's office finally tracks someone down that knows how to get a hold of Trump and the call is arranged/made...

6. President Elect Trump is on call w/ Prime Minister of Denmark + mentions that his daughter in-law, Vanessa Trump, is of Danish descent

7. Trump then conferences his daughter-in-law into call w/ the Prime Minister of Denmark! Prime Minister was not warned/briefed in advance.

8. He then says to his daughter-in-law, "I'm on the phone with the King of Denmark! (wait for next tweet)

9. Reminder: He was on the phone with the Prime Minister of Denmark and Denmark doesn't have a King. Queen Margrethe II is the head of state

More at the link
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/867844340210475008

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

I've always wondered what would happen if someone put up a billion dollars for a Presidential race. The history of rich outsiders trying to buy Senate seats isn't great.

The kochs have.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I personally like the idea of a negative income tax better as it targets need better. At least until the demand for labor makes us rethink the entire structure.

should we tie that to inflation too

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

The text is even more frightening.

Hit my monthly quota on free articles but I can only imagine

 

[thepotatoman]

Someone was saying it couldn't go much into June without causing budget problems, but it feels like every time I thought there was a hard and fast reconciliation deadline, we've blown past it with no consequence.

The only deadline with actual teeth in the entirety of the process is the October 1st deadline to pass a budget or the government shuts down, but once they start the official process with a resolution that sets topline spending, they lose their opportunity, and there's a ton of steps and negotiation with democrats and the house after they start that process to finish by October 1st.

But that doesn't mean they can't use continuing resolutions and just never adopt a budget resolution. For the 2017 budget, they didn't adopt a budget resolution until January 13th, and the only reason they even passed that is so they could start the reconciliation of it for repeal.

That said, continuing resolutions are still a victory for the democrats, because Republicans are giving up a lot of power over the budget process by going that route.

So that's all I mean when i say it causes them problems if they delay it far into june. They totally might prefer taking their time on AHCA, even if they can't pass it until January of next year, and be OK with giving democrats the victory of continuing resolutions.

 

[kirblar]

It is, but I've also been grappling recently with how to fold this into a vision of socialism that isn't too labor centric.

EDIT: Like, if you're anarcho socialist the labor community angle really doesn't sit well with me and if you're state socialist then...UBI or its equivalent seems like its going to feature really prominently

I mean, the whole concept of a "labor" class and a "owner" class has completely fallen apart. It just doesn't work as a way of explaining the world. It's just very attractive to people because it's black and white instead of nuanced.

 

[Slayven]

Zuckerberg would only be successful as a upsetter.

I expect him to be even worse with minorities then Trump

 

[Fenderputty]

should we tie that to inflation too

:/

 

[Armaros]

Hit my monthly quota on free articles but I can only imagine

Just one point, the bill would make police virtually immune to lawsuits, even ones accusing them of violating constitutional rights.

 

[The Technomancer]

I mean, the whole concept of a "labor" class and a "owner" class has completely fallen apart. It just doesn't work as a way of explaining the world. It's just very attractive to people because it's black and white instead of nuanced.

I would say that the owner class is still very meaningful, in terms of people who posses access to capital resources or money they can deploy in different directions, but what we think of as a labor class has splintered and remixed in some very fundamental ways we're not fully accounting for. A lot of anarcho-socialist thought I see still isn't set up for "what do we do when 30% of the population doesn't need to work" other than "divide the labor so more people work less" which I have some pretty strong concerns about