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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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RastaMentality
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Is the Senate vote required for this to pass a majority 50 or 60 under reconciliation? Nobody's making this clear and it seems pretty important.
My favorite bit about this btw, and how badly they would F themselves actually passing the form of this bill:
"For an older Obamacare enrollee, the problem would be even more acute, because insurers would be allowed to charge the oldest enrollees five times as much as the youngest enrollees. This would have the result of raising premiums for Obamacare enrollees in their 60s.
CBO estimates that a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would see their annual tax credit decline from $13,600 to $4,900. The amount they pay out of pocket for their premiums, meanwhile, would go up from $1,700 in annual premiums under current law to $14,600 under AHCA. Right now, with the tax credit, that person spends very little of her own money on a premium. Under the new bill, shed spend nearly half her annual income on health insurance."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/4/15544238/acha-winners-losers-obamacare-plan
"For an older Obamacare enrollee, the problem would be even more acute, because insurers would be allowed to charge the oldest enrollees five times as much as the youngest enrollees. This would have the result of raising premiums for Obamacare enrollees in their 60s.
CBO estimates that a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would see their annual tax credit decline from $13,600 to $4,900. The amount they pay out of pocket for their premiums, meanwhile, would go up from $1,700 in annual premiums under current law to $14,600 under AHCA. Right now, with the tax credit, that person spends very little of her own money on a premium. Under the new bill, shed spend nearly half her annual income on health insurance."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/4/15544238/acha-winners-losers-obamacare-plan
If they tweak it, 50.
Hellwarden
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I don't have enough middle fingers to point today.
Carpe Libertatem
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No one really knows. It's up to the parliamentarian.
Roland_Gunner
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Under reconciliation the bill can be passed with 50 votes but reconciliation will run and the end of May. At that point they need 60 votes.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So they have... 3-ish weeks to maybe pass it, then it dies due to needing Dems.
(assuming no buster of the Fili, of course.)
Nobody knows.
Each separate provision of the law must be judged as being germane to the budget. If it is not, it requires 60 votes. The parliamentarian decides this for each provision and she hasn't made any public statements. Nor will she until the point of order is actually raised.
The entire law must also not increase the deficit within the budget window. If it does, it requires 60 votes.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Who is the parliamentarian, and how is that position decided?
VendettaRed07
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My guess is that because seemingly nothing about this has changed and none of the things republicans have ran on (like the state lines thing) are included is because they can't be.
I can imagine they only pushed this through as is because they won't need dem votes to pass it
I can imagine they only pushed this through as is because they won't need dem votes to pass it
Carpe Libertatem
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_MacDonough
It seems like Ted Cruz doesn't like her, which is generally A Good Thing.
I mean this is a more conservative version of what was already put up, it's going to be super awkward now in the Senate because it's even worse for them than what was already maybe going to end up on their doorstep. The House intentionally fucked the Senate, which seems very Republican/Freedom Caucus/Trump/Ryan thing to do based on their recent history.
They are an appointed official whose job is to ensure that the rules of the Senate are followed. The current one was appointed by Reid, but kept by McConnell.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I barely watch any football, but jfc; how wrong could he get this?
Dominican Power
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Look at this smug fuck Ryan grinning.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I really can't stand any of these assholes.
Maybe there's some form of a touchback point Reince is trying to make that we're all just not enlightened enough to see?
MetalGearZed
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So what happens if this doesn't pass the Senate? Is ACA still dead anyway?
BUT HE'S SO HANDSOME! And have you seen his muscles? Only Trump can bench press more than him.
ArkhamFantasy
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Does this vote basically say that republican congressmen dont fear thier constituents? It sounds like they believe they'll get thier votes even if they take thier healthcare away.
nintendoman58
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I sincerely hope there will be massive protests if this becomes law.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The Senate needs to pass their own version, and then hope that the HFC accepts those changes.
2018 is it. If it doesn't happen then, there is no peaceful option left, and everyone on the fence about leaving the country will actually do it.
https://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/860211993571098624
Like, all this celebration for the trash they passed in the house, and the senate is literally throwing it into the garbage and writing their own bill.
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking terrifying
Like, all this celebration for the trash they passed in the house, and the senate is literally throwing it into the garbage and writing their own bill.
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking terrifying
Reince's football analogy is actually pretty fitting. By the words he used, he basically said Trump kicked a touchback.
Which is hilariously accurate, considering they've won nothing with the Senate getting ready to butcher this thing and send the entire healthcare situation back to the 20 yard line.
Which is hilariously accurate, considering they've won nothing with the Senate getting ready to butcher this thing and send the entire healthcare situation back to the 20 yard line.
I would consider the holding of free and fair elections in 2018 a wild-eyed blessing at this rate, and far too long to wait.
You're going to see a lot of early retirements, too. Push one last hurrah out the door before leaving.
I mean, the logic makes sense. If you're going to lose your seat no matter what, you may as well do something you "believe" in.
GurgleBot20
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Wait......what?
Like, is this a thing that normally happens?
Is the House GOP still going to celebrate?
benicillin
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But everyone told me the senate was just going to rubber stamp it because good things don't happen anymore.
The ACA fixes aren't even *that* hard to make that would really move this forward in a positive way for most everyone; I find that the more baffling part, but the hardcore right-wing constituents just have too much sway in the House to say "we fixed Obamacare" and not get in trouble.
No, not when you only pass half a bill.
nature boy
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As expected, just a procedure and optics.
GurgleBot20
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So you can barely say that they passed anything.
Shouldn't this be the top of things to be talking about right now?
Shouldn't this be the top of things to be talking about right now?
well atleast most of them don't. Most of these guys will be safe to return in 2019. It's the swing/lean red or blue R seats that should be worried.
cartoon_soldier
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Basically, even if this dies in the Senate. Many Americans will now think their Obamacare is Trumpcare and like it more than they do today while thinking the benefits they are getting is due to Trump.
I mean we've already been talking about it. But you have to cover the vote and that it passed first, at least. It's like the sugar high before the CBO score and all the people against it etc. in the Senate and medical field are the fat and downer that come after the sugar high.
Emerson
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No, too many people ready to hurl themselves out their windows instead.
To be fair, there were plenty of reports that they already felt this way based on some non-existent tax credit etc. from right after he took office. Also the concept that people like the ACA but not Obamacare and on and on. Messaging is always muddled here, this is not a new thing.
AKA a total conman move on Trump's part
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