whyamihere
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That's the joke. Everyone from those wings was solid Perriello. State VA part was solid Northam.
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That's the joke. Everyone from those wings was solid Perriello. State VA part was solid Northam.
Bonen no Max'd
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It was a joke, right?
Macho Madness
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Yeah, I peg Northram beating Gillespie without a second thought but Stewart is a wild card.
whyamihere
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Current vote totals:
D: 181,191
R: 141,754
Gap is widening as more of NoVA comes in.
D: 181,191
R: 141,754
Gap is widening as more of NoVA comes in.
shinra-bansho
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Birdie kiss of death.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Stewart is a NeoNazi so it's not good.
Macho Madness
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lol if what finally does Trump in was calling the AHCA "mean"
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/874779188301090816
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/874779188301090816
whyamihere
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Fuck Stewart is catching up.
Box of Kittens
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I have less than zero sympathy for R's who got behind Trump and are now upset at any sort of betrayal.
Macho Madness
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Who's Wagner? Looking like he's making a big difference here.
Also, Fairfax (Alexandria) has little in still and has Gillespie winning by a lot. Hoping that sticks.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Which race is this?
Gillespie's the guy who took Warner to a shock squeaker in '12. He worries me because he's a more normal candidate, and boring tends to do well here.
x v Stewart doesn't bother me because this isn't a good state OR good timing for Trump tactics. I don't think Clinton really needed Kaine for the help in the state, and I really hope that wasn't a reason she picked him.
Bonen no Max'd
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Wagner was the "moderate" who ran on "actually we can't afford a tax cut right now"
Carpe Libertatem
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Whoever wins the Democratic primary will be fine in the general regardless of who wins on the GOP side, short of a major scandal
I get people here wanted Periello to win (myself included), but Northram is fine. With shifting demographics in VA and the fact that Trump is in office, he has a clear advantage
Stewart certainly isn't anything to fear at least
I get people here wanted Periello to win (myself included), but Northram is fine. With shifting demographics in VA and the fact that Trump is in office, he has a clear advantage
Stewart certainly isn't anything to fear at least
Sirpopopop
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How awful that local politicians have more influence in a local race than "national" leaders...
I, for one, think this is a good thing. The people of Virginia would rather vote for someone who is more focused on their own state rather than someone thinking nationally. Furthermore, it's another reminder that the 50-state strategy is the way to go.
I, for one, think this is a good thing. The people of Virginia would rather vote for someone who is more focused on their own state rather than someone thinking nationally. Furthermore, it's another reminder that the 50-state strategy is the way to go.
whyamihere
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Northam vs Gillespie is very easy to see how it goes down. I am not worried about that.
The TIMING of the race being in a Trump presidency would predict a Dem win, but Stewart is basically leaning into racial politics more than Trump did. That is an x factor I don't know if you can really predict for.
I still think Northam will win, probably more than a decent amount, but I would be more nervous.
Ugh, Perriello was so good. I'm mad again, even though I expected this.
As an outsider to Virginia politics, I thought Periello seemed super cool but the electorate of Virginia has spoken. I wish Northram all the best in the fall!
I have a few friends who moved to Virginia recently but I haven't spoken to them in a while. I wonder what their opinion was on this race.
I have a few friends who moved to Virginia recently but I haven't spoken to them in a while. I wonder what their opinion was on this race.
Aaron Strife
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Virginia rejected Trumpism last year pretty soundly so idk if the dynamics that made Hillary a bad candidate against Trump will screw over Northam against Stewart. But after last year I'd rather not gamble on getting to run against nutjob candidates.
Too bad for Perriello. On to November I guess. Hope they can make up solid ground in the House.
Too bad for Perriello. On to November I guess. Hope they can make up solid ground in the House.
There's some history to this- the Dems in the state (Warner, Kaine) took the governorship then Senate seats in the wake of Jim Gilmore's disastous plan to remove the property tax on cars.
It caused a massive budget deficit and had to be stopped in its tracks when it was at 60% of the previous rates because they literally couldn't afford to take it down further. So... for those of us old to remember, massive tax cut promises get an immediate stinkeye.
I think Hillary was a good candidate against Trump... in Virginia. Not everywhere else. (This may have biased people's internal calculuses in the party to some degree, actually.)
SatelliteOfLove
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A House GOP with sense of betrayal by the president may be more likely to do what?
Box of Kittens
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Gillespie's currently ahead but it's close and I don't have a good read on the vote that's still out.
Carpe Libertatem
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Right, it's not like this is Iowa or Ohio or a state that voted for Trump. Virignia soundly rejected him last November. Not sure why anyone would think a Trump-esque candidate would do well there in an offyear election when Trump's approval ratings are so low anyway.
Spoiled Milk
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bitch and do nothingA House GOP with sense of betrayal by the president may be more likely to do what?
if they really were hapless lemmings and followed orders from the white house, unable to take responsibility for their own actions, then they definitely don't have a spine to do fuck else
Cesare Borgia
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To be fair, Warner lost ground in large part due to the perception that he was ignoring his state in favor of DC. He took the race for granted and "almost" lost as a result. I don't think this speaks to Gillespie being a good candidate...in fact I expect him to soundly lose.
whyamihere
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D: 287,750 (57.26%)
R: 214,759 (42.74%)
D margin keeps going up.
I mean, Trump lost by 5 points and Hillary didn't clear 50%. That's not enough to just put an emphasis on it. It's a tilt-D state.
R: 214,759 (42.74%)
D margin keeps going up.
I mean, Trump lost by 5 points and Hillary didn't clear 50%. That's not enough to just put an emphasis on it. It's a tilt-D state.
lolololol. I mean, no one could see this coming!
Everyone who lies down with Trump eventually gets burned.
The Virginia wing of the party won the Virginia primary.
whyamihere
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Perriello lost every NoVA county except for Warren County.
COINCIDENCE?!
COINCIDENCE?!
Yeah, I didn't know what happened there other than I got home from work, and it was randomly close. He's really popular!
whyamihere
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I think this is important to note.
Box of Kittens
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This is reminiscent of the national patterns in '08.
More what either winner in the GOP side should worry about. Massive enthusiasm gap.
whyamihere
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I don't know why Perriello's loss, which everyone predicted, is freaking you out but ok
whyamihere
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I'm not freaked out? I just do not want Stewart on as the Republican nominee for governor, because I do not want Neo Nazis to be governors of states.
There's no indications that Stewart can win against Northam though. Until there are, I wouldn't worry about the possibility.
Everyone I know from Virginia, Democratic and indie, voted for Northam.
Macho Madness
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I don't want Bernie to run really either but this is a ridiculous thing to say.
Yglesias is like the only person who actually thinks this is happening.
whyamihere
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I mean, it's a state that was a 5-point Dem state and is a historical swing state and if Stewart wins, he will have a greater than 0% chance of winning the general! I believe that's worth being nervous about. I do not want him anywhere near a party line.
shinra-bansho
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You either die a revolutionary, or you live long enough to see yourself become the establishment.
Bernie keeps trying to primary other Democrats and keeps losing. He's an idiot and should stop giving away any of his remaining leverage. he needs to start running and backing candidates against Republicans, but then he'd have to actually be running against some of his voters.
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