It will take advantage of everything the Pro has to offer but 30fps only isn’t off the table. There probably will be a Performance Mode but GTA VI will no doubt be very CPU-intensive.
rockstar will always push the limits. there's no way they will target 60 fps as a baseline for Zen 2 CPU.
it is not like I'm arguing against p5 pro being useless or something. it is just it will be useless for people that expectations that it will fix games with bad performance.
spiderman is just well optimized but it is exception to the norm. no need to dismiss the game regardless, it just proves BVH structure at 60+ fps cpu bound is possible. but it was only possible because base spiderman already targeted a perfectly frame paced 30 fps on 1.6 ghz jaguar cores.
amount, type or quality of ray tracing effects does not have a big impact on the CPU performance. you need the very same BVH structure no matter what you're going to do with ray tracing. it is a fixed cost you pay, no matter what you run. you can enable ray tracing BVH structure and just run it while no ray tracing effects are being present and you will still be hit with the CPU cost
please stop talking about things you don't even understand
just reflections
67 fps cpu bound
just shadows 68 fps cpu bound
path tracing 63 fps cpu bound (a mere %6 drop)
reflections + shadows 68 fps cpu bound
reflections + shadows + gi 67 fps cpu bound
no ray tracing 87 fps cpu bound (1.29x cpu bound performance hit from ray tracing)
all values are within margin except path tracing (which is %6 more cpu heavy compared to shadows+gi+reflections.)
actually spiderman miles morales has a bigger hit on CPU with ray tracing on PC:
115 to 80 (1.43x increase)
reason spiderman is able to hit 60+ fps with ray tracing is because it is less cpu bound at its baseline than cyberpunk. and funny thing is, spiderman's BVH cpu cost is much heavier than cyberpunk which defeats your logic entirely
Hopefully no. PSSR uspcaling should always output at 4K because it's always better to upscale only once using a custom implementation. What they can do is reduce quality of the upscaling (but I doubt many games will need to render at less than 1080p) but that will still be better than 2 consecutive upscaling. With CBR it was different because the reconstruction can only double the resolution but PSSR will be much more flexible here, like DLSS is.
When it comes to console wars on Twitter, I don't think brain cells are required.are they aware of their lies and bad faith or not ?
If the internal res was native 1440p, that is equivalent to 4k dlss quality. You would get a 4k image, not a 1800p image.
you can interpret it that way if thats what you want. I am seeing that that they used PSSR in front of the 1440p figure, and speficially stated IMAGE QUALITY target being equivalent to 1800p. NOT the resolution. They are NOT attempting to improve upon the image quality of the resolution mode which is 1800p and thus worse than 4k. If their internal res was indeed 1440p, their image quality would be BETTER than 1800p.
thanks for clarification. this one seems like a very odd case indeed.In most games it works exactly like that, they have almost fixed CPU rendering cost no matter how many rt effects are active but this is not always the case. In hitman rt shadows had almost no impact but reflections were a different story:
Replying to other posters, I don't doubt that cost of ray tracing on CPU of PS5 can be different, console is using totally different implementation of RT compared to dx12.
Even when some games performed better on PS5 than on series x with RT on many people were speculating that this could be thanks to lighter CPU load from that RT.
So why mention the TF number at all if it's the rendering that's most important? Buzzwords?
So it's half? So why are they saying 33 and 67 in the OP post?
No frame gen yet, can be added later via software, or more likely for next gen,
Far apart enough where you should see a decent difference if really cpu limited, as shown below.
DF made no mistake here. They took the same CPU and GPU and turned off RT in a "CPU" limited scene where the GPU was not being fully utilized, and gained 45 fps. That shows that RT has an impact on the CPU. It is the most basic test you will ever see. You dont need to be a genius to figure this out. But you do need to understand PC benchmarking which Im hoping you learn by taking your time instead of simply posting more nonsense over and over again. Just take a deep breath and watch other benchmarks and it will begin to make sense eventually. Im not going to waste my time trying to make you understand basics of CPU and GPU benchmarking, sorry.No you don't. It's the same CPU. That's the mistake I'm referring to that DF made.
Dude, they can set the internal and output resolutions to anything they want them to be.
You cxan see it as you want to then. But that makes no sense. That means you are suggesting that they are running internally at under 1440p and using PSR to get it to 1440p, then generic upscaling that to 4K. That makes absolutely no sense.
I don't get how or why you are looking at it this way, regardless of the examples I have tried giving you. This is confirmation bias at its worst I guess.
That's the difference between FP32 and FP16,RDNA3 can dual-issue certain operations to double the TFLOPS performance.
You are looking at this backwards. Dont worry about what they are doing with their 1800p 30 fps mode. That mode is its own thing. The 60 fps mode has different CPU requirements, differnt vram bottlenecks, different GPU requirements. What they are telling you is that on the base PS5, that mode runs at 1080p 60 fps. That means 2.1 million pixels. For whatever reason, doubling the framerates cost them 3.5 million pixels or 2.66x the GPU performance. In a perfect world, reducing resolution by half to 2.8 million pixels wouldve got them 60 fps but that didnt happen and they had to settle for a much lower amount due to some kind of bottleneck in the PS5 hardware that is resulting in these discrepancies.
because it looks better? AMD knew what they were doing with this. Nvidia started this whole mess with the 30 series. They were claiming the 3080 was 35 tflops but in reality it was equivalent to a 20 tflops 6800xt. The 4090 has 63 tflops but is only 3.5x more powerful than the PS5 so in reality its more of a 35 tflops card.
Brother, and I say this with nothing but love, please learn to read charts better.
This right here, shows you that its a CPU bottleneck. The same GPU is giving you 124 FPS with RT on with one CPU while literally dropping to 65 FPS with the other CPU. If that is not a CPU bottleneck, i dont know what is.
Graphical fidelity and LOD isn't what the majority of people here have had issues/concerns with since the generation started. It's the want for the same level of fidelity we get in high quality modes while simultaneously running at a locked 60fps. I think most would have been happier if the GPU had gotten a lesser upgrade while the CPU received an overhaul.
You are just not looking at this entire thing holistically.
Rockstar utilized the Xbox One X, the least popular console SKU last generation, to its maximum, managing to reach a native 4K resolution in Red Dead Redemption 2, a Sony-sponsored title.
I was thinking about that, and I think if Sony wants to keep the price down, they might sell the Pro without the disc drive and controller. Taking in if the target audience would already have a controller or two, and only purchase the drive if wanted. The initial adopters would then have to purchase the disc drive and controller. But I don't think a console has launched without a controller before.
XBOX One X had already been out for a year by that stage and all it got was a resolution bump.
Maybe. Like I said, I'm 50/50 about them doing anything with new hardware until next gen.
"All it got was a resolution bump"... do you realize that they took the best looking title of all time up to that point and made it run at native 4K on 2017 console hardware? They reached the golden standard of what an Xbox One X could aspire to.
Grand Theft Auto V released years before the enhanced consoles, so unlike with any new releases, they weren't forced to take advantage of the newest console SKUs.
