Mr.Phoenix
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i don't think it works that way....
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PS5 Pro Specs Leak are Real, Releasing Holiday 2024(Insider Gaming)
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Did we go backwards on the understanding of hardware? Lol how did we end up back here?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Yeah like the number of transistors…run
kazuyamishima
Member
My new TV is ready for it:
BlackTron
Gold Member
BlackTron
Gold Member
My new TV is ready for it:
I can't stand seeing gamers blissfully enjoying themselves with no standard of quality in their display.
Where is your s-video cable?
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Three things came to mind when I initially saw that (maybe I even mentioned them in this thread). So its either any combination of these or all of them.
1. PS5pro has more RAM available to devs for games. Less time spent streaming from SSD, I am sure some things would benefit from that.
2. PS5pro has more L0/L1/L2 cache. Naturally, this would allow for better utilization of both the compute units and the RAM.
3. The system clock (or more specifically the GPU clock) is more in line with the memory clock. Ideally, you would want the system clock and memory clock to be as close to each other as possible. Eg. the base PS5 had a GPU clock of about 2.2Ghz but a mem clock of around 1.8Ghz. Weirdly, that puts the RAM further away from the GPU, but the PS5pro would have a mem clock of at least 2.3Ghz, which would be more in line with the system clock.
PaintTinJr
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More efficient - as in, not just more bandwidth and transparent to existing PS5 software - leads me to believe the latency of the memory controller has improved resulting in worst edge case performance being equal to PS5 and typically the memory controller latency when bottlenecked is a smaller bottleneck on the PS5 Pro than the PS5 leading to superior performance.
Zathalus
Member
Could be a reference to DCC, RDNA3 saw improvements to it:
Refer page 12.
demigod
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How many times have you been shocked turning them lights on?My new TV is ready for it:
kazuyamishima
Member
I want the original experience I had in the late 90’s Lol.
I lost count of it Lol!
King Dazzar
Member
There was certainly a magic back then. But for me a big chunk of it is also rose tinted. Great to move forward too.
BlackTron
Gold Member
I was using s-video by 2001 and kicking myself for not using it earlier, even on my SNES on the same TV I was playing it on from the beginning (I just had no idea and used the bundled cables). I just felt like the Master Race because I had moved on from RF adapter after playing for years.
As a matter of fact I remember I didn't figure out composite cables until N64 came out because it didn't include RF. I almost had a kid-panic attack thinking I couldn't play. I finally figured out the maze of coded inputs behind the TV and realized it would have worked on SNES the whole time.
Physiognomonics
Member
Now this is a very possible explanation. I remember Cerny talking about this for PS5 implying the difference of clocks between GPU and RAM was not ideal. Compared to PS5 the increase in real bandwidth would be higher than 28% just thanks to this.
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Audiophile
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I doubt it'd happen but one thing I'd love to see devs spend the extra juice and bandwidth on is higher precision DoF and transparency effects. The ghosted look that you get around characters is one of the ugliest parts of an image now. If you watch the Death Stranding 2 trailer it's pretty much flawless except for the glaring transition between characters and the background (skin and hair especially). Like a constant hard-edged bloom that sits around everyone in any sort of close up.
Then in gameplay and paired with the flaws of temporal upscaling; particles and any high frequency / fast moving stuff ends up suffering the same fate (Black Myth Wukong and many eastern-developed games are a prime example of this).
Then in gameplay and paired with the flaws of temporal upscaling; particles and any high frequency / fast moving stuff ends up suffering the same fate (Black Myth Wukong and many eastern-developed games are a prime example of this).
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HeisenbergFX4
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Imtjnotu
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We don't need verification. Just drop the fucking rumors
Dorfdad
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Dude be careful of burn in! You could easily end up spending another $49.99 in a few months!My new TV is ready for it:
hououinkyouma00
Gold Member
Why would they announce it far ahead of time? They would just give people reasons to not buy the current machine which would be stupid.
It will be announced 1-2 months before release.
HeisenbergFX4
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Panajev2001a
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Do you think it could get a specs bump then?
Zathalus
Member
Wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants. 5090 delayed, Pro delayed, going from a great Christmas present year to a sad one.
Hopefully it’s on track.
DenchDeckard
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Maybe they are thinking of delaying it to see how pricing goes, and also to have some games ready to release alongside it next year?
After the rumours of 5080 & 5090 delays I thought they might have a holiday period to themselves.
After the rumours of 5080 & 5090 delays I thought they might have a holiday period to themselves.
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demigod
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It will 100% release this year. Sales are already slowing down and it’s best to release around the holidays.
HeisenbergFX4
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I don't know what to make of it honestly
TheRedRiders
Member
Was holding off on building a PC this year since the money would have gone towards the Pro. Time to get my hands on a 4090!
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Almost no chance. Only thing I could see is a change to the clocks.
Doesn’t seem like such a good idea when the 5090 presumably isn’t that far off. Unless you’re gaming on a toaster, in which case, knock yourself out.
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ChiefDada
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yea, pretty much. Gaming-oriented products are pocket change.
TheRedRiders
Member
Not sure how much the retail on the 5090 is going to be, maybe 2000? 4090 seems like a good option and will easily future proof the build for the next 5 or 6 years.
Perrott
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It's not getting delayed.
Outside of the information that is given to him by sources, Tom Henderson is a pretty mediocre to outright bad observer of the industry, hence why he's fallen into the uneducated thought process of "the abscense of new leaks over the past three to four months must mean that its getting delayed".
HeisenbergFX4
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There is no one better at PS hardware than Tom and Tom has heard something and trying to get a second confirmation on it but no one knows what that is yet
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This doesn’t make sense. Tom Henderson says, "if it releases this year" then you attack his credibility as if he said the Pro is getting delayed when he didn’t even say that in the tweet. How can something get delayed when it hasn’t even been announced?
Perrott
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Tom Henderson has previously stated in his reports that the Pro was planned for a November 2024 release. If it not releases this year, then that means its been delayed, regardless of whether the console itself has been officially announced or not. For instance, the Switch "2" was delayed out of 2024 earlier this year, when multiple reports by credible websites spoke of how Nintendo couldn't make its 2024 target.
And I'm not attacking his credibility, I've already said that his sources are good, but the scepticism he's expressing in that tweet is not based on any inside information, but rather on his poor analysis of the situation based on his nervousness about how scarce Pro leaks have been since March. If any of his scepticism was cemented on information from his sources, I guarantee you that he would've made several articles about it already.
Tom's sources are what's good, and you hear about what they have to say in his articles. What I'm saying is that outside of those reports based on inside information, Tom Henderson isn't capable of any insightful analysis of the industry.
I just double down and insist in that it'd be beyond shocking to learn that the Pro has been pushed to 2025. It's launch isn't hanging on any particularly huge game (Sony's next major release, DS2, won't be out before April 2025), yet the exclusive software that would accompany it's debut would feel worthless if the new hardware wasn't out yet.
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Topher
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MikeM
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Be odd if they don’t. All that Christmas money gone may hurt initial sales.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i dunno, do they NEED to release a pro variant this year?
1. They need to figure out how to price-cut the base console in the first place.
2. Xbox Series is dead/PC hardware prices are shit (no need to compete right now)
3. Xbox hardware for 2026 (close the gap if released next year)
4. Chips price increase/shortages/A.I. allocation.
5. First-party production pipeline/release cadence.
I'm just saying that Sony has the luxury to plan things in a position of power and dominance.
King Dazzar
Member
I remember getting these kind of is it or isnt it bites right up to the Slim PS5 being officially announced. But Henderson's tweet isn't exactly reassuring.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Only reason I brought it here, him saying "if"
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
No one knows but sony. Let's see what happens over tge next couple of months.
I had heard a rumour that due to the drop in hardware sales that there is quite a lot of inventory of console stuffing up the channels.
Maybe sony wants to clear through as much of that before they announce something? Who knows.
I had heard a rumour that due to the drop in hardware sales that there is quite a lot of inventory of console stuffing up the channels.
Maybe sony wants to clear through as much of that before they announce something? Who knows.
Bernardougf
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Released with what games bro .. astrobot?
If they delay it, it must be because of the first party empty desert...again.. they have fucking nothing to show for this year and who knows when they will be able to launch something to really justify the ps5pro....
The problem is .. launching in 2025 start to feel real close to next gen. But maybe their plans is to launch a really good pro (doubt) and prolong this shitty gen (I can see this)
Who knows.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, I get what you are saying, but I'd would still play third party games on it for trophy hunting and such. My problem is I bought into the rumors and so I sold my PS5. Would have waited if I thought it wasn't going to happen this year.
But yeah, I was planning on buying Astro Bot day one but that's probably not going to happen either way since Astro is coming in September.
Bernardougf
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Oh I have and will buy one too because mine ps5 is promised to my son ... so faster is better and november is my birthday and I can give myself that...
Im talking more in a broad "sales to the mainstream" sense
King Dazzar
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Definitely no shooting the messenger from me. Its good to know news, even if not great.
