They were bankrupt of intelligence at the time.
That's not fair. This all happened in 1999/2000. Before Spiderman and the first Xmen movie become smash hits.
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Rumour: Marvel have struck a deal with Fox for Fantastic Four film rights
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That's not fair. This all happened in 1999/2000. Before Spiderman and the first Xmen movie become smash hits.
Bobby Roberts
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A little. "To make a quick buck" is a strange distinction, though. They sold them because they had them to sell. There was really nothing more to it than that. No desperation involved, no bankruptcy forcing their hand. They sold them as a basic course of action because that was part of what their business did.
edit: whoops. Missed Pai Pai Master's response. He pretty much got it in one. Sorry man, I shoulda been reading closer
They signed deals in perpetuity and now have to negotiate to get their own characters back. It was a dumb decision.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
They're going to do this regardless of what happens with movie rights. They're just giving FF a break right now because properties like GOTG have become hot, and they don't seem to have a creative team that can do something new and exciting with FF yet.
Father_Brain
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Also, they thought any movies that got made would essentially serve as free promotion for the comics, toys, and licensing businesses.
It's easy to question Bleeding Cool's Inhumans story when their movie scoops have been predominantly lies to begin with.
People want it to be true so anything pointing in that direction will be taken more easily.
If some site came out tomorrow and said, FOX and Marvel have closed the door on any future FF negotiations, I'm assured a lot more people would be skeptical of the news. Checking sources and site's history and waiting for further confirmation.
LucidMomentum
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I seriously want part 1 of Infinity War to be Doom just going ham on the MCU.
I want there to be a desolate wasteland and then the 2 year wait for part 2.
X-Men is a total money spinner for Fox. They aren't going to give it up.
FF is a bust, twice now, hence why it's more plausible that they would unload it.
Den of Geek is less popular and less known for breaking news than Bleeding Cool though.It's easy to question Bleeding Cool's Inhumans story when their movie scoops have been predominantly lies to begin with.
Makes no sense to trust DoG more.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Agreed. All the previous reports indicated that Fox was trying to obtain the X-Men TV rights from Marvel/Disney.
DaSorcerer7
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Yup, the cosmic portion of the mcu always felt incomplete without the surfer.
These properties weren't hot stuff by any means in 1999. No one could have predicted then that comic book movies would become record beating blockbusters on a thrice annual basis. That was the era of films like The Mummy and Will Smith flicks and blockbusters were driven by popular actors not which obscure comic book property they were based on.
Wouldn't Marvel already have the rights to Kang? Isn't he most notable as an Avengers villain?
Sure, maybe his backstory would have to be changed a bit, but that's for the best. You start talking about Immortus and time loops and whatnot and you'll lose the audience.
It's easy to question Bleeding Cool's Inhumans story when their movie scoops have been predominantly lies to begin with.
While I don't disagree, I can also point to times where they were in the ball park.
I mean honestly if anyone can point me to Den of Geek going out on a limb with a major story, I'd settle for that.
I post a TON of comic book rumors on here, but they all tend to come from the same handful of sources.
Okay.... Tracking Board is still up in the air!
Not that his story was to be believed but at the very least he has broken news before. As far as I can recall Den of Geek has NO track record of doing so and no site or source is backing them up on this.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
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He's in the FF rights due to his convoluted origin. I'm sure they can streamline his backstory and make it work.
Infinity War part 1&2 are only a year apart.
superdeluxe
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I want to believe!
Please for the love of God let this be true. I can't handle seeing Fox throw more money at another piece of shit FF movie that they clearly don't give two shits about. I don't even care if Marvel doesn't make their own FF movie. Just use the characters for some cameos and that'll be fine for me. Just... no more trash movies.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Fair enough. I'm not very familiar with Den of Geek, I usually stick with THR and Variety.
We had people shooting down and calling bullshit on this rumor too
Whether or not the deal has been officially struck behind the scenes or not... it's going to happen and you damn well know it. The Fantastic Four bomba this year solidified it.
Whether or not the deal has been officially struck behind the scenes or not... it's going to happen and you damn well know it. The Fantastic Four bomba this year solidified it.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have made a deal. I'm saying they shouldn't have made a deal in perpetuity.
It's common sense. You set a time frame for a deal like this to expire so you can renegotiate for the rights when the deal expires, or in this case take the rights back.
You don't sign away the rights forever. It's a stupid decision.
That's......actually a good point. But that was HitFix who reported on MCU Spidey.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah I don't think anyone is saying Marvel made the right call back then. It just wasn't made out of desperation like the previously accepted narrative.
Well it's not in perpetuity, the deal is that if the studios stop making movies (or I'm sure start putting out low production value garbage) then the rights will revert.
In 1999 they wouldn't have gotten very much money at all for comic book movies if that sort of clause wasn't there. And it would have been a good deal if comic book movies didn't suddenly start making billions of dollars. If comic book movies had stayed at the Blade Level then these would have been pretty great deals for Marvel and Disney wouldn't have given enough of a shit to buy them.
Entertainment Weekly replied to the story:
the deal was officially announced like 4 months later. I find it hard to believe that they weren't working on a deal at that point. I seem to recall a Civil War film being made was also leaked at the same time... obviously Marvel Studios was very leaky at the time.
HitFix, especially that reporter in particular has a very long track record. Den of Geek does not.
jufonuk
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what's this phase talk? i am unfamilar with how it works?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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So Fox destroyed the Fantastic Four brand so much that the most they could get for it was the rights to a couple of X-Men TV shows that don't even star the X-Men?
Actually, ironically, Marvel put that clause in there to help THEM.
They spent most of the '70s with the movie rights to their characters being held by companies who did absolutely nothing with them, so after some companies folded and they got the rights back and resold them, they made sure to add that clause because they felt it would force companies to actually produce SOMETHING.
For instance, think about how long Spider-man was in limbo before the Sam Raimi movies.
They basically never pictured a future in which they'd want to make the movies themselves.
Fox wouldn't have made the deal without the perpetuity clause in it.
All the movies before a big crossover are a phase. So Iron Man 1, Iron Man 2, Thor 1, Captain America 1, and the Incredible Hulk (lol), led up to The Avengers and that was Phase 1. All the movies after till Age of Ultron were Phase 2 (Ant man is in Phase 2 as well).
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I would love this
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Thanks.
There's a lot about why Marvel did things before Marvel Studios became MARVEL STUDIOS that people just kinda guess at, and sounds good enough, so it gets repeated, and nobody actually questions it.
As always, I suggest people go out and grab up Marvel Comics: The Untold Story by Sean Howe. Really, REALLY well researched book.
Exactly why I made the dumb joke I made. They were bankrupt...of intelligence. /cymbal crash
Allowing the deal to expire only if they stop making movies is in perpetuity, as shown by Fox releasing trash into theaters this summer. If a new deal isn't made, they'll release more trash to keep the original deal intact. And on and on.
I don't care if these characters were worth a billion dollars or five bucks at the time. You don't sign a deal that gives away rights with no finite end. It's bad business, period.
Netherscourge
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Oh, man - not again.
Not again.
Just let it die already.
Not again.
Just let it die already.
Fox has had a ton of success with the X-Men so I doubt this happens.
FF on the other hand, I'm pretty sure everyone predicted something like this. Like to the extent of TASM2 or even better as far as Marvel actually owning the movie rights.
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