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Super Best Friends Thread 9: "Don't Get Cocky, Jesus!"
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skLaFarebear
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Not even close. I'd much rather spend 60 hours on something short, but amazing and satisfying than drop it on some shit like Skyrim. Probably because I'll only play those games for an hour or two before I throw it out my window.
As someone with a decent amount of spending money, but little time to do much with it. I'd gladly blow 60 on something short and amazing like Revengeance than the next 80 hour meh RPG. If the content that's actually in Destiny was really good, I couldn't care less if the content was lacking I'd be on that shit. But from everywhere I hear, the content is lacking and what's there isn't that fun outside the core shooting mechanics.
DoktorEvil
Banned
So you're saying game devs are making games longer to appeal to reviewers?
Romars202129
Member
Did I have a weird copy of P4? I swear he hit harder than any other character in my final chapter playthrough, even Chie who was at a higher level.
Gah! Please still be on!
Yeah, a really good story arc in that saga was..
Gohan being left alone with his training so he decided to try to find his way home he meeting a group of orphans run by a older kid. 16-18. Everyday social workers would come by their house and try to take the kids and they would be attacked and scared away by the kids.
The kids would steal food and Gohan decides to hang around for a while.
However the older kid realizes that he actually can't keep feeding them, and he ultimately decides it's for the best that the social workers take them even if the kids will hate him for it they would have a better chance of finding a good home. He then urges gohan to find his way home.
It was a pretty decent moment, and something you wouldn't expect from the kind of series Dragon Ball Z is.
skLaFarebear
Member
They slap that "Over 80 hours of exciting gameplay!" tag all over the back of the box to appeal to people with no money, but lots of time. Which is arguably a majority of the casual gamers and the moms that buy them their games.
misses bull
Banned
Everyone in this dub sounds super off to me and I don't know why.
I will admit, I legit almost cried like a little bitch at the last episode of GT.
The show was terrible but that last montage tho... All those feels.
The show was terrible but that last montage tho... All those feels.
DoktorEvil
Banned
That sounds like a lot of the Final fantasy games from the 90s... And xenogears...
It's an actual good appeal, but replayability should also be a bigger factor.
Sub > dubs. that's why.
GlassEmpires
Member
In Xenogears there's more content than game.
misses bull
Banned
I'm a casual and rather watch it in dub if the dub is good.
I'm still on
RecursiveFault
Banned
True, and a lot of old games induced value through challenge as well. Castlevania 1 would be a 10-20 minute game if it was piss easy.
There was one episode that of Z that was cut...not because it was too violent, but because it was too sad.
During his training Gohan meets an old mining robot buried under some rubble, they talk for a bit and the robot recounts what he did and how he got into the situation. Gohan decides to try to dig him out, but the cave starts to collapse and the robot sacrifices himself to save Gohan.
Try listening to the sub and compare them.
skLaFarebear
Member
It certainly is. People need their 60 hour long games, even I need them sometimes. But if this 60 hour game has 50 hours of boring cutscenes/gameplay and 10 hours of a decent product, then I just wasted my time when I could have been playing a great 6-8 hour package. But I guess people just can't keep buying more games and they'd rather be bored for 50 hours in a game, than doing nothing.
Games still do that. I'm pretty sure Bethesda games and majority of JRPGs still have that stuff somewhere on the box.
I don't like any DLC being on disc because something like that means the whole package is done, but you're delibrately taking game content out after its done and selling it back later. But 60 dollars for what you're getting in Destiny is pretty decent. The problem with the game is that they tried to market it like its an MMO, but its clearly not and that's why the overcharging for the lack of content seems to piss everyone off. If the DLC in Destiny lasts about 2-3 hours (which it seems to do if you include the few missions and the strole), but it was a really good 2-3 hours, I wouldn't have minded its high price tag at all.
misses bull
Banned
DoktorEvil
Banned
But his whole argument is about games that pad themselves out. Final fantasy games tend to do that with flashy shit that are not necessary to the core experience but make the game easier/cooler/questionably better.
I really like xenogears, mainly because of the complex story arc, but the second disc is pretty much a VN. I'd be upset if I bought xenogears expecting to play gears all the time.
Liam brute forced the game in about a couple hours. Imagine paying 60 bucks or more for Castlevania in the 80s. Would you feel satisfied with Your money, nostalgia aside?
The bigger argument here is : what do people that identify as gamers buy video games for? What genre do they want? What kind of content in that genre would entice them to buy a 60-100 dollar product, because DLC tucked away on disc make a game a 80-100 dollar product.
skLaFarebear
Member
OG Ghost in the Shell movie or Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex? Considering its a 90's movie and dub, its actually pretty decent (please don't compare it to Bebop). Stand Alone Complex must be watched dubbed though. Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn is the only one who can do the Major justice. It is, in my opinion, the greatest dub ever.
Different priorities. Some people like or have to get a long game due to budget or preference. For parents, it's a good way to distract kids with the most popular game. It also depends on the genre of the game and how it affects the length. Like a short rpg isn't unheard of but it wouldn't be reassuring.
misses bull
Banned
OG ghost in the shell. I don't have anything to compare it to since the only modern dub I've heard was gurren and that's like 7 years old
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
How does Stand Alone Complex compare to the original? I've only seen the original movie.
Banana Aeon
Member
My biggest problem with Destiny is that for what it is marketed as, it falls desperately short. It should have marketed itself as a FPS RPG, with a great PvP counterpart. Everything about the game should be great: It has awesome shooting mechanics, feels wonderful to play, and is genuinely a fun game if you can get pass the glaring issues. And for $60, it's a radical deal, something a lot of games released this year can not say.
There are just so many issues, and that's bad. I still would like a PC release, tho.
There are just so many issues, and that's bad. I still would like a PC release, tho.
RecursiveFault
Banned
I think challenge is a great lengthener, you can replay Castlevania 1 like crazy, and I do. As a kid I would be getting my shit kicked in consistently, and would keep trying. Plus, above all else, I really fucking love the game. I really do see games like movies or books. If the content is good, the price is whatever.
Plus, I believe games were between $40-70, even back then. Tons of kids played the game for that price.
skLaFarebear
Member
They were pretty awful before Bebop came around and showed that anime dubs can actually be decent. OG Ghost in the Shell has mediocre dubbing so you can go either sub or dub, but they really fixed the characters who's voices really don't fit them in the series.
zedreamcast
Member
I find this guy very suspicious...
skLaFarebear
Member
As the series goes on it has more of a political focus and less of a psychological one. Especially compared to the first GitS movie.
As for the quality of the show, its one of the greatest anime of all time. 52 episodes of near perfection. Its the Metal Gear Solid of anime.
Its soundtrack is also fucking amazing.
GlassEmpires
Member
My comment was a jab at the second disc rather than commentary.
If I was in the 1980s and had no knowledge of the progress that would be made in the field I be very satisfied with picking up Castlevania 1, because it doesn't look all that different from the rest of the games being released at the time.
Yukiko's omelets taste like shit
misses bull
Banned
DoktorEvil
Banned
Nintendo also used to operate a monopoly in the US and push around game devs.
Times change.
There were games that were 80-90 dollars at release.
Look here:
In today's dollars, those same games should be 90-100 dollars.
Somebody got the reference, my life is complete
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
Hmmm I need to go pick it up then.
AngryCanadian
Member
yadayadayada who the hell do you think we are
RecursiveFault
Banned
I'm playing a demo looking at it as a Borderlands competitor, and having played 80 hours of Borderlands with friends, this is WAY better, if just because of the core shooting mechanics being so much stronger.
Just saw your edit. The thing is, it's so individualistic, that trying to advise people is just brute force opinion. You'll see someone say "this game is shit" for every game ever, for every movie ever, etc.
Oh, if you take inflation into account, yeah. It's worth mentioning production costs on games today are through the fucking roof.
DoktorEvil
Banned
To add:
jack_package_200
Banned
Charlie Tunoku was not a fan of that Yukiko
GlassEmpires
Member
It's a bit of a misrepresentation of the prices of the games from the SNES/Genesis era because money had a very different value. Games these days would cost more than those given the same economic circumstances.
DoktorEvil
Banned
More people in the cookie jar means more brains and mouths going into a project.
skLaFarebear
Member
Its one of my personal favorites and I have an extremely hard time finding flaws about this show. Some episodes are just one big flashback or a just a dialogue session around a virtual round table and yet its easily some of the best episodes in the entire show. God, GitS is so good. I'd own the blu rays if it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg.
The episodes are also for the most part Stand Alone. Hence the "Stand Alone Complex"
jack_package_200
Banned
Also I have been playing some Super Mario 3D World.
Its pretty good but I hope the challenge goes up. The first world was insanely easy
Its pretty good but I hope the challenge goes up. The first world was insanely easy
RecursiveFault
Banned
It stays low till about World... 3-3 or so? Then it's more like babby's first tricycle instead of learning how to walk in terms of difficulty.
Don't worry, the special stages after the main game are the real shit. I finally got through the last Challenge House with a friend the other day.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Economic circumstances were different I admit. Look at the console prices alone.
But we also didn't have journalism outlets, LPers, hobbyist chains, and a shared culture. Nowadays we have all of these things.
ultimax
The later worlds get harder. I hope you arent playing on easy mode
peach
skLaFarebear
Member
but....but......ok fine. I'll go on for a little bit.
RecursiveFault
Banned
jack_package_200
Banned
I am playing as Mario. The proper way to play a Mario game.
Also Smash is fucking good.
Also Smash is fucking good.