The fights in dead zone are some of my favorites in any DBZ thing ever. I still have a copy of it on tape from way back when it first aired on cartoon network.
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TFS DragonBall Z Abridged
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EmCeeGramr
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Tien's human, he just has an extra eye because of whatever.
I think there was never a definitive answer who was stronger.
Piccolo and Kami being aliens might have been planned before Goku as an alien was. There was something Toriyama said where he was talking about how he just makes up most stuff as he goes along, where he said that the part in the original Dragon Ball where Piccolo ("Jr.") and Kami talk in another language was supposed to be the first hint that they were actually aliens, not God and a demon.
EDIT: Dead Zone talk: The animation in that and Tree of Might is probably why the intro in North America was 90% composed of those instead of the actual show.
I'm not at all disputing that Toriyama didn't likely have the idea of "Piccolo=alien" in mind. Just that it was a lame "twist" to go with, in my opinion.
it probably doesn't help that krillin stuck around for a good long while when tien disappeared off the face of the earth like alicia silverstone.
guy got his arm punched off and that was pretty much it for him.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Despite it's completely obvious flaws from an objective point of view, it's pretty much the only tv show in existence where I can sit down and watch just about any episode at random (ESPECIALLY from the Android and Cell Sagas) and just sit back and have a good ass time, much like a popcorn flick.
It's pure entertainment at its best.
It's pure entertainment at its best.
I'll just add to this:
Regardless, GT is just silly stuff. At least it's only 64 episodes...
Regardless, GT is just silly stuff. At least it's only 64 episodes...
The only "evidence" for krillin being stronger than tien is yamcha telling his kid how amazingly strong krillin is. But there's absolutely nothing to indicate it was anything more thtan yamcha trying to make marron feel good about her father or a slight exaggeration by yamcha.
especially since AT no point did krillin ever seem to surpass Tien. He was weaker than tien at the tenkaichi budokai. He was weaker than tien during the King Piccolo saga (and also, he was dead
). He was weaker 3 years later at the world martial arts tournament again. He was weaker 5 years after THAT at the beginning of the saiyan saga. He was weaker 1 year after that when vegeta and nappa arrived.
The only time Krillin might have surpassed Tien was in the days/weeks after receiving a powerup from guru. But Tien always had more natural talent than Krillin, and he also trained more. Krillin trained kind of at a leisurely pace with Master Roshi while Tien was up in the mountains devoting himself fully to his training, and then Krillin stopped fighting altogether so he could raise a family.
I can't see any reason why Krillin would be stronger than Tien.
especially since AT no point did krillin ever seem to surpass Tien. He was weaker than tien at the tenkaichi budokai. He was weaker than tien during the King Piccolo saga (and also, he was dead
). He was weaker 3 years later at the world martial arts tournament again. He was weaker 5 years after THAT at the beginning of the saiyan saga. He was weaker 1 year after that when vegeta and nappa arrived.The only time Krillin might have surpassed Tien was in the days/weeks after receiving a powerup from guru. But Tien always had more natural talent than Krillin, and he also trained more. Krillin trained kind of at a leisurely pace with Master Roshi while Tien was up in the mountains devoting himself fully to his training, and then Krillin stopped fighting altogether so he could raise a family.
I can't see any reason why Krillin would be stronger than Tien.
The only "evidence" for krillin being stronger than tien is yamcha telling his kid how amazingly strong krillin is. But there's absolutely nothing to indicate it was anything more thtan yamcha trying to make marron feel good about her father or a slight exaggeration by yamcha.
especially since AT no point did krillin ever seem to surpass Tien. He was weaker than tien at the tenkaichi budokai. He was weaker than tien during the King Piccolo saga (and also, he was dead
The only time Krillin might have surpassed Tien was in the days/weeks after receiving a powerup from guru. But Tien always had more natural talent than Krillin, and he also trained more. Krillin trained kind of at a leisurely pace with Master Roshi while Tien was up in the mountains devoting himself fully to his training, and then Krillin stopped fighting altogether so he could raise a family.
I can't see any reason why Krillin would be stronger than Tien.
Yeah, I'd say Tien was stronger.
However, let's not forget how they dealt with Yamcha and Chiaotzu. Yamcha who randomly varied in strength through the series but never really achieved anything, and fucking Chiaotzu who never aged and despite training for an equal amount of time as Tien. Never really got in a single fight.
having never seen dragonball, i never understood the point of chiaotzu. i at least got that yamcha, krillen, and tien were all somewhat major characters in dragonball (as fighters), but chiaotzu showed up a relatively large amount of time doing nothing.
tangent: i think the first episode i saw was at the end of the saiyan saga in 1997. it was the one where yajirobe cut vegeta. krillen ready to do vegeta in with the sword at the end of it made him my favorite character too. it was the ocean dub, so everyone sounded not annoying as fuck.
seriously, krillen was cool, goku was cool, piccolo was cool, and vegeta was awesome. low-key, raspy-voiced vegeta > gravelly-yellingtime vegeta all day every day.
tangent: i think the first episode i saw was at the end of the saiyan saga in 1997. it was the one where yajirobe cut vegeta. krillen ready to do vegeta in with the sword at the end of it made him my favorite character too. it was the ocean dub, so everyone sounded not annoying as fuck.
seriously, krillen was cool, goku was cool, piccolo was cool, and vegeta was awesome. low-key, raspy-voiced vegeta > gravelly-yellingtime vegeta all day every day.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I still think the Cell era was worse than Buu. It just never sat right with me that the Super Saiyan form was demoted from the once-in-a-thousand-years fulfillment of a legend that avenged the entire race's genocide into a routine power-up required to remain relevant. SS2 (Super Super Saiyan lol) was pretty much the point where I figured the author was out of ideas and I just kind of lost interest in the series altogether. Never did like how a bunch of home-grown robots were stronger than the tyrant of the entire universe too, and there was never really a moment of tension as good as the end of Namek imo. The power creep was just too much and I kind of liked the fact that the Buu saga just ignored power level logic and seemed to take itself less seriously altogether. When I finally did get around to watching Buu years later I was kind of surprised that I enjoyed it as much as I did. Candy Vegito, spelunking in Buu's innards, and Mr. Satan actually doing legit work were all hilarious imo.
Yamcha:Tien::Krillin:Chiaotzu. Rival counterparts for the two fighting dojos. Or at least that's the only thing I could come up with anyway.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
The older I get the more I see DB as vastly superior to DBZ, it would be best to read the mangas to learn about chiaotzu first hand.
It's crazy to think how old DB is. Way back when I was a kid I saw the original cartoon. I remember being freaked out at Goku cooking and eating the wolves...
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
I went through DB at least a decade after I finished DBZ, the sort of rawness you talk about is a bit shocking, naked Goku's package ect.
Actually I think they just erased his weewee on the one I watched. He was naked with no genitalia lol.
What? No.
Yamcha was never a match for Tien in Dragon Ball. Nor was Krillin. And he beat goku (though it was basically a draw) for the tenkaichi title.
The only people as strong or stronger than tien in dragon ball are goku and piccolo (well, and kami). The next closest person to tien is probably yajirobe, actually.
Tien's only fight with Yamcha resulted in Yamcha having his leg broken. Rather easily.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
That wasn't a power level analogy...
Isn't Master Roshi = Tien in DB? (oh god what am I doing).
I would hardly call yamcha and tien rivals, though. I think you're focussing way too much on the frames of the characters with your analogy. Maybe if you put goku in place of yamcha in your analogy I'd agree.
No, Tien was much stronger. He basically laughed at Roshi's speed, power, and techniques, and Roshi, understanding that he was outmatched in all aspects, forfeited, knowing that the martial arts would not stagnate so long as people as gifted as Tien and Goku were around.
(What are you doing?)
I haven't seen DB in a long while so yeah I'm probably wrong but I thought he deliberately lost to Tien because winning against him would not change his character and Roshi wanted to redeem him or something.
(I should be studying for a lab but here I am thinking about DB of all things).
I like how we could LITERALLY (yes LITERALLY) transplant this discussion into the internet 10 years ago, word for word, and it'd still completely 100% fit. And would also come to the same conclusions (or lack thereof).
Tien is stronger than Yamcha, below Piccolo. Krillen is a bit of a wildcard since we don't know how much his pre-tournament training in Buu went, but probably below Tien. Though in the anime filler Krillin did manage to slightly damage Buu, whereas Tien's best shot didn't even make him flinch. Also, I'm 9 years old and just downloaded Link1n Park - In Th3 end.mp3 off this new thing called Napster, you guys ever heard of it? It's like this fiile sharing program, I think, but my dad will probably make me delete it tonight. +__+
Tien is stronger than Yamcha, below Piccolo. Krillen is a bit of a wildcard since we don't know how much his pre-tournament training in Buu went, but probably below Tien. Though in the anime filler Krillin did manage to slightly damage Buu, whereas Tien's best shot didn't even make him flinch. Also, I'm 9 years old and just downloaded Link1n Park - In Th3 end.mp3 off this new thing called Napster, you guys ever heard of it? It's like this fiile sharing program, I think, but my dad will probably make me delete it tonight. +__+
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Tien is stronger than Krillin, but Krillin likely has some comic relief plot armor to make up the difference.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Change that to 15 years ago and you'd still be right. I recall participating in some of that back then.
The only thing MORE argued about on the internet is Kirk versus Picard (sometimes with Vader involved), and that's just because they had a 10 year headstart.
That's basically what the internet was invented for.
HisshouBuraiKen
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...You are proposing that the character who died MORE TIMES THAN ANYONE ELSE had PLOT ARMOR? Hahahahaha
Zarbon: All right Vegeta, what did you do with the Dragon Balls?
Fucking Awesome Raspy Bryan Drummond Vegeta: ...I lost them.
Favorite line in the ocean dub
He came back every time.
EmCeeGramr
Member
It's funny how looking back, nearly every one of Goku's friends was a huge jerk until they met him:
-Bulma tried to shoot him and just wanted to use the Dragon Balls to get a boyfriend, "forgot" to tell Goku that his grandpa's Dragon Ball would fly away after the wish was made
-Oolong was using his powers to kidnap women to be part of his harem
-Yamcha and Puar were thieves who tried to rob Goku and Bulma
-Krillin was an arrogant jerk who just wanted to be strong so he could get revenge on bullies
-Tien and Chiaotzu were the snide disciples of a murderous old bastard, and looked up to a literal assassin as a hero
-Piccolo was a Demon King who killed a bunch of people, then his reincarnation came back in a younger form and tried to kill Goku to take over the world
-Vegeta failed to kill anybody but he sure hit them real hard
-Bulma tried to shoot him and just wanted to use the Dragon Balls to get a boyfriend, "forgot" to tell Goku that his grandpa's Dragon Ball would fly away after the wish was made
-Oolong was using his powers to kidnap women to be part of his harem
-Yamcha and Puar were thieves who tried to rob Goku and Bulma
-Krillin was an arrogant jerk who just wanted to be strong so he could get revenge on bullies
-Tien and Chiaotzu were the snide disciples of a murderous old bastard, and looked up to a literal assassin as a hero
-Piccolo was a Demon King who killed a bunch of people, then his reincarnation came back in a younger form and tried to kill Goku to take over the world
-Vegeta failed to kill anybody but he sure hit them real hard
He killed a bunch of people on Namek and even blew up an entire planet of bug people, didn't he?
He's saying Vegeta as a villain didn't kill any of the protagonists, like say, Nappa killing Piccolo.
Keru_Shiri
Member
It continues further:
-Android 16 and 18 both wanted Goku dead. The latter was also genocidal, and in some timelines is responsible for the fall of civilization.
-Hercule mocked Goku, and profited obscenely off of Gohan defeating Cell by taking all the credit. (though he does share the wealth, at least.
-I'm pretty sure Dabura did some unsavory things as the king of Hell. (I forget, why did he switch sides again?)
The running theme of Goku's character is that even though he is obsessed with fighting, there's no malice, he simply loves to fight. He is happy to make friends with his defeated enemies. Especially if it means they'll come back and fight again--he flat out says this is his motivation multiple times from start til end.
He's a bit more hotheaded and impulsive as a little kid but he outgrows that as an adult when he meets Piccolo.
An interesting detail is that he doesn't actually kill ANYONE in Dragonball Z, with the minor exception of Yakon who simply ate too much of his energy.
He's a bit more hotheaded and impulsive as a little kid but he outgrows that as an adult when he meets Piccolo.
An interesting detail is that he doesn't actually kill ANYONE in Dragonball Z, with the minor exception of Yakon who simply ate too much of his energy.
Lol, he didn't really switch sides. He was sent to heaven because he'd enjoy it in hell since he was ruler of the demon realm (some shadow dimension/universe, maybe the same one goku rescues that princess from in dragon ball?)
IIRC, everything with him actually being all happy and stuff in heaven was filler added to the anime. He's never mentioned in the manga after yemma says he sent him to heaven as punishment
And Kid Buu kinda.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Well... he killed Frieza and King Kold in Future Trunks's timeline (God I would have loved to have seen that as part of the history of trunks special), and sort of killed Buu.
If you look at his time as a kid he's pretty ruthless, though. I'm pretty sure he killed most of the red ribbon grunts that got in his way since he was always making graves for them after beating them, lbowing up their planes, etc. Also killed most of the officers like yellow and black that he fought that didnt't get killed by another RR member first.
SouthernDragon
Member
I hate Hercule. He enraged me as a kid.
Well you would have to add in the ragefits that certain people would have upon seeing "Tien" instead of "Tenshinhan" or "SS" instead of "SSJ". You know, the "purists" who INSIST on using the romanized spellings for everything and think that anything other the JP version subbed is an affront to all existence.
I do like that The Abridged Series uses both Tien and Tenshinhan interchangeably. Extra funny since one of Tien's running gags is making fun of weeaboos who get mad if you don't use the proper spelling.
On GT: I imagine if TFS did it, it would be like the movies. Where they'd cover an arc at a time rather than spread it out over a few episodes.
I do wonder what they'll do next when DBZ is done. I've heard One Piece is a possibility, there hasn't been a good abridged series of that.
rollingstart
Banned
Best part of the Buu saga is when Vegeta sees Trunks go super saiyan. How embarrassing for the entire saiyan race.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Goten going Super Saiyan so long ago that he can barely remember doing it, but not being able to fly.
smh
smh
Winnie the Pimp
Member
speaking of the original DB, i am watching that right now (up to season 2 so far) and absolutely loving it having NEVER seen ANY DB show before...
I feel like when i will be done with it i should just let it rest, as DBZ is more about the actual fights and less about the feel of adventure as far as i heard correct? Or is DBZ still worth watching at this point?
I feel like when i will be done with it i should just let it rest, as DBZ is more about the actual fights and less about the feel of adventure as far as i heard correct? Or is DBZ still worth watching at this point?
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Yes its still great just skip through the filler and move on to the great fight scenes.
D
Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
Hell yeah. It will totally touch all of your muffin buttons.
Yes, it's still worth watching.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
It's worth going through, just becomes more and more about the big picture and less about the charters interacting.
It's on of the reasons why I love the Great Saiyaman arc so much, just people interacting and relationships developing, would love hundreds of episodes about Gohan in Highschool but sadly they rushed the show to rush into it's worst faze.
rollingstart
Banned
Goku Jr is a wimp and goes super saiyan. Bardock goes super saiyan. In Movie 14, Mr Satan goes SSJ4 (and somehow less hairy than normal).
Keru_Shiri
Member
Lol, he didn't really switch sides. He was sent to heaven because he'd enjoy it in hell since he was ruler of the demon realm (some shadow dimension/universe, maybe the same one goku rescues that princess from in dragon ball?)
IIRC, everything with him actually being all happy and stuff in heaven was filler added to the anime. He's never mentioned in the manga after yemma says he sent him to heaven as punishment
Oh.... I missed those episodes explaining that, and always wondered what led to that. I just assumed he became a good guy since he could be used as a hero in the DBZ card game, haha.