I've changed my mind, you're my new favourite person
Not the one I was going for
EDIT: Apologies for double post, on phone.
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I've changed my mind, you're my new favourite person
Not the one I was going for
EDIT: Apologies for double post, on phone.
adamsappel
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Remember those early days when Tea Partiers cluelessly self-identified as Teabaggers? Good times.
Aaron Strife
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SC would probably be next yeah. Then Texas.
MS and AL are also two states to look out for - very high floor/very low ceiling states for the Democrats because of significant AA populations, but the white vote breaks 90-10 for the GOP.
haha Tim Robbins is an idiot.
Black Mamba
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Honestly, most celebrities are when they enter these things. No matter who they support, even Hillary.
They mostly live in a bubble so it's not surprising.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
He has the worst surrogates.
Officerrob
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Meanwhile Bernie is riding a wave off of Idaho, Utah, and Alaska... (that kind of dumb shit works both ways)
The DAY MS and AL go blue is a day I was laugh at the fucking racists that thought the Southern Strategy would work out longterm.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Aaron Strife
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It will indeed be a glorious day, but it did work for them for quite some time. Between 1969 and 1993 Democrats only held the White House for one term.
The real blunder was not dropping that shit like a hot potato as soon as Bill Clinton came in.
shinra-bansho
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Katie loving that Fight Song reppin
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Same here. I've played hundreds, if not thousands, of hours on that game. It ended-up being so damn good.
And I'd argue that while the Tea Party has seen impressive success in non-presidential years, they've also pushed the GOP too far right to win a general election. Loss of SCOTUS essentially means that they can win win win all they want at lower levels and off-years, but a hard federal judicial limit will essentially veto their efforts to go too far to the right. It's like having gutter bumpers only on the right side of the political bowling lane.
State GOP: "Here's our new backwards-ass law."
Lefty federal judiciary: "LOL, nope."
State GOP: "Dammit."
{*repeat*}
For the GOP, they have to consider: are you okay with dominating non-Presidential contests - at the expense of limiting how far to the right your success can carry you?
For the Dems, it's a bit more complicated: Bernie and his compatriots have not demonstrated an ability to drive turnout such that they'd offer similar non-Presidential dominance. In fact, they've demonstrated relatively little interest in races that don't have Bernie's name on the ballot! Given the GOP's ongoing federal implosion and the drip drip drip of demographics, we know that the country's political center of gravity - along this trajectory - will continue moving leftward. So why risk upsetting this trajectory by pushing a Leftist Tea Party?
RustyNails
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Yo this is legit.
StopMakingSense
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Christ, when you factor in all the racial shit Guamanians face, that's a super unfortunate comparison. FFS.
TAKE IT BACK.
Her belt is cute. Katy is great with that kind of thing.
gutter_trash
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Captain Pants
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Assuming this year goes well, Hillary is President, etc. What does 2020 look like? I imagine the anti-Obama crowd will continue beating the same drum they have for the last 8 years just with anti-women dogwhistles instead of racial ones, but if the GOP gets crushed this year and we follow it up with four more years of competent governance, who can they nominate that stands a chance in 2020? I honestly think the GOP establishment needs Trump to take the fall this year if they want to regain their party. The crazy wing needs to take a big loss, a big direct hit, if they are going to shut up. If they steal the nomination from Trump and still lose in November, that just means that the party will keep pushing for a 'true' conservative.
I'm not saying that Trump losing this year helps them to be a nationally relevant party in 2020, because I don't see how they bounce back from this year that quickly, but I do think the Tea Party needs to get dashed upon the rocks in a national election, rather than the GOP Convention in order for them to fade away.
My dumbdumb predictions for 2020 is that if they nominate Kasich or someone of his ilk in place of Cruz or Trump this year, they'll just be back in four years... Or even better, they'll get a Palin, Bachman or a Fiorina in
2020 to try and sway women. I think that if they let Trump or Cruz take their shot at it, then they'll be able to safely go back to Romney-esque types in 2020, and that the time might finally be right for a boring moderate Republican to appeal to swing voters.
That said, I think Hillary will fill Obama's shoes nicely and that the country continues gradually shift left after 12 years of solid Democratic leadership.
I'm not saying that Trump losing this year helps them to be a nationally relevant party in 2020, because I don't see how they bounce back from this year that quickly, but I do think the Tea Party needs to get dashed upon the rocks in a national election, rather than the GOP Convention in order for them to fade away.
My dumbdumb predictions for 2020 is that if they nominate Kasich or someone of his ilk in place of Cruz or Trump this year, they'll just be back in four years... Or even better, they'll get a Palin, Bachman or a Fiorina in
2020 to try and sway women. I think that if they let Trump or Cruz take their shot at it, then they'll be able to safely go back to Romney-esque types in 2020, and that the time might finally be right for a boring moderate Republican to appeal to swing voters.
That said, I think Hillary will fill Obama's shoes nicely and that the country continues gradually shift left after 12 years of solid Democratic leadership.
User 463088
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Ya'll need to get your asses on Cher's twitter if you need help understanding the election.
THIS IS THE BEST ONE EVER
THIS IS THE BEST ONE EVER
Aaron Strife
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Wasn't there someone in an OT thread saying they want the GOP to abandon Trump and focus on winning the "Supreme Court elections" lol
I want that to be the new "We'll call the Supreme Court!" No one understands how any of this goddamn fucking shit works.
shinra-bansho
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Actually, speaking of surrogates, whatever happened to Killer Mike?
So you've played like 10 games then?
I love that game, I just got it, but one game turned into a weekend event.
Captain Pants
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Am I wrong, or did he immediately disappear after the whole 'having a vagina doesn't qualify you to be President' thing?
This is more or less my belief - that said, I don't think even Obama would be able to win 4 elections in a row. We're reaaaaaaaally fickle, and it's only gotten kinda more swingy with the polarization.
If the GOP nominates someone sane (Paul Ryan would be my best bet, with Haley as a VP pick); then I think they'd be at 60/40 to win the election barring anything extremely unusual happening during the next four years (massive economic boom, for instance). I think the economic decline is here to stay, and I think the Democrats are going to be stuck with being blamed for that.
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Oh no, they kept him around after that. But, I think he's been sidelined since, you know ,they're out of southern states. I haven't seen Nina Turner out there lately either.
RustyNails
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Did Katy's um...size increase recently? Not that I'm complaining. No sir.
TAKE IT BACK.
Black Mamba
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TAKE IT BACK.
Katie Perry? I'm not 12 years old.
Macho Madness
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She was on MSNBC talking to Joy Reid just yesterday
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Just going from Google Images, it seems like they've always been pretty jubbly.
King idiot for sure
User 463088
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Neither am I...I just have the musical tastes of a 12 year old.
I should have asked my mom. She used to love her, until she endorsed Bernie. Now, she's chilled on her, but she'll embrace her again.
Macho Madness
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But enough about Trump
Retromelon
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Aaron Strife
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I feel like the bar for "sane Republican" gets lower and lower every election. Paul Ryan?This is more or less my belief - that said, I don't think even Obama would be able to win 4 elections in a row. We're reaaaaaaaally fickle, and it's only gotten kinda more swingy with the polarization.
If the GOP nominates someone sane (Paul Ryan would be my best bet, with Haley as a VP pick); then I think they'd be at 60/40 to win the election barring anything extremely unusual happening during the next four years (massive economic boom, for instance). I think the economic decline is here to stay, and I think the Democrats are going to be stuck with being blamed for that.
I'm bracing myself for a 2020 loss but at the same time I don't really know how the Republicans get there. They need to moderate on social issues to have a chance with anyone outside of their base, but their base is so radicalized that any candidate who could do that won't make it out of the primary.
RustyNails
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I'm thinking that we are going through what GOP did with Reagan (Obama) and followed it up with HW (Hillary). I'm concerned that a Rubio like candidate but with a functioning brain could be the GOP's Bill Clinton. Only thing standing between us and that is the insanity of Trump supporters/fed up teapers. However, if GOP can spin them off in their own little party then it will pose a risk to Hillary if they run a typical Republican in 2020.
The Librarian
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Polls and delegate counters say no.
Macho Madness
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California? California!
SurveyUSA
Trump 40
Cruz 29
Kasich 17
Clinton 53
Sanders 39
SurveyUSA
Trump 40
Cruz 29
Kasich 17
Clinton 53
Sanders 39
User 463088
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The goddess has spoken.
Come on Big Don. Don't fuck this up.
Only 40 more points until Clinton is not viable!
And that's scary.
2016 is important, yes, but I'd argue that 2020 is where we really REALLY need to win.
2016 is already a lock for Dems, we just don't know how much.
User 463088
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Yasss Queen, come through!
And...okay, Trump. Get it.
NBC Nightly news let Andrea Mitchell talk about the Panama Papers. It's not emails, but it'll do in a pinch.
I've got this guys.
RustyNails
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Sorry man, I genuinely didn't mean that as attack snark, I just wanted to make a dumb joke. :X
That said, if we're talking about labels that don't have real historical context, any label used to delineate a segment of a group based on negative qualities of that segment will spark irritation from the larger group as well even if it isn't meant to generalize. Nothing you can really do about that, even if you try to come up with another term.
People keep saying this, but they aren't going to go away. Those voters exist, and with a two party system, an equilibrium that doesn't leave any major voting blocs on the table is what we end up with.
As for all the worry about a Green Tea Party, keep in mind that the reason the Teapers have had such success eating through the GOP is because the GOP has done jack fuck-all to actually improve the lives of their constituents for far too long. All hate and no benefits isn't a sufficient diet anymore. For all the many faults of the Democratic party, it has had tangible successes that have improved peoples' lives, which is why the party is actually viewed favorably by its members. It's simply not the same situation.
So if the hard left wants to take a crack at primarying some D seats, why not? Maybe they can expose some places where the Democrats can actually afford to move left. Maybe we'll get rid of some corrupt deadwood. Any seat that can be taken in such a way is proof that seat was poorly held to begin with. That's how democracy works!
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Macho Madness
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Also, general election match ups for California because WHY NOT
Hillary Clinton defeats Donald Trump by 34 points, 60 percent to 26 percent.
Hillary Clinton defeats Ted Cruz by 25 points, 57 percent to 32 percent.
Hillary Clinton defeats John Kasich by 23 points, 56 percent to 33 percent.
Bernie Sanders defeats Donald Trump by 39 points, 63 percent to 24 percent.
Bernie Sanders defeats Ted Cruz by 35 points, 61 percent to 26 percent.
Bernie Sanders defeats John Kasich by 29 points, 57 percent to 28 percent.
When asked which candidate for president they would they want sitting in the Oval Office if there were a major terrorist attack on the U.S. today, 37 percent of registered voters said Clinton, 21 percent said Sanders, 15 percent said Trump, 9 percent said Cruz and 5 percent said Kasich.
Hillary Clinton defeats Donald Trump by 34 points, 60 percent to 26 percent.
Hillary Clinton defeats Ted Cruz by 25 points, 57 percent to 32 percent.
Hillary Clinton defeats John Kasich by 23 points, 56 percent to 33 percent.
Bernie Sanders defeats Donald Trump by 39 points, 63 percent to 24 percent.
Bernie Sanders defeats Ted Cruz by 35 points, 61 percent to 26 percent.
Bernie Sanders defeats John Kasich by 29 points, 57 percent to 28 percent.
When asked which candidate for president they would they want sitting in the Oval Office if there were a major terrorist attack on the U.S. today, 37 percent of registered voters said Clinton, 21 percent said Sanders, 15 percent said Trump, 9 percent said Cruz and 5 percent said Kasich.
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