Caio
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The 14Tf leak is total bullshit, the GPU should be clocked at least 2.5 Ghzh.
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Rumor: PS5 Pro Codenamed "Trinity" targeting Late 2024 (some alleged specs leaked)
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PeteBull
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14tf meaning comparable to 10.2tf of base ps5, amd's 7000 series got inflated teraflops numbers(same as nvidias 3000 and 400 series btw), u can see it clearly if u compare actual performance and tflops of 6800xt
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6800-xt.c3694 20,74 tflops, vs 14% weaker 7700xt- 35,17tflops.
U did right thing to divide 7700xt tflops by 2, thats roughly what its performance is compared to ps5/xsx and previous amd cards, not 35tflops like in specs.
Its bit more tricky tho for super accurate comparision, we can see it if we look at 7800xt, inflated tflops too, 37,32tflops, barely more than 7700xt, its 5% faster on avg vs older 6800xt which has 20,74tflops, and 21% faster from 7700xt, all in all, dividing tflops number by 2 in 7800xt's case isnt giving actual performance numbers, since it should be roughly at 21-22 "old/ps5 base/amd's 6000 series cards" tflops, not at 37,32/2=18,66 old tflops.
TLDR, just like Mike Cerny said its not strickly about tflops numbers, but performance in actual games, if ps5pr0 is downclocked/downvolted 7800xt on smaller node, it wont behave like 7700xt, but closer to 7800xt with maybe 10% less performance, hence leaked/estimated performance of +60 or even 70% in raster vs ps5, not +40% like tflop numbers converted to old tflops would suggest.
Physiognomonics
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7800Xt is boosted up to 2.4ghz with 18TF on 5nm node. Remember that PS5 already uses 6600xt boost clocks at 7nm (2.23ghz). The final clocks will depend of node used, either 5nm or 4nm. Like PS5 I am expecting they are going to clock it as high as they can. It's not like PS4 Pro where they were limited by old power consumptions paradigms without liquid metal cooling.
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Caio
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Sony is prepared for the real specs to be outed in the coming weeks, as dev kits for PS5 Pro are going out to third party teams.
Stay tuned
Loxus
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Zen1 released in 2017.
In order for the XB1X to use Zen1, it would have to release in 2018 the earliest.
Seeing that XB1X released in 2017, it means that chip was finalized in 2016 in order to create enough to ship, etc. And Zen1 wasn't ready or worth the wait.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I hope this thing exists since any game forward will be bought on the Pro.
Sw0pDiller
Banned
i'll start saving up....
The 6600 XT boosts to 2.55 GHz on PC (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-gaming-x/35.html), while consuming ~160W. While the 7800 XT boosts to 2.4 GHz at ~250W. You would need a 28% improvement in performance/watt to match PC clocks at 180W, while TSMC N4P is currently listed at 22%. So higher than 2.4 GHz seems out of reach without architectural improvements.
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Physiognomonics
Member
Bullshit logic here.
It's bullshit to suggest you need a performance per watt improvement to get the same architecture running at the same clockspeeds but lower power consumption?
ripjoel
Member
zen2 8c16t 4.2ghz single 8c ccx
tempest engine 2 (AI upscaling and offloading tasks from cpu)
54cu 2.692 mhz @18.6tflops
infinity fabric gen 3
16gb 256-bit gddr6 18gbps @576 gb/s
(ai data compression gives effective bandwidth about 1tb/s)
2gb ddr4
32mb unified dynamic cache
1tb
tsmc n4p or samsung sf4x
realistically, how much would this cost?
tempest engine 2 (AI upscaling and offloading tasks from cpu)
54cu 2.692 mhz @18.6tflops
infinity fabric gen 3
16gb 256-bit gddr6 18gbps @576 gb/s
(ai data compression gives effective bandwidth about 1tb/s)
2gb ddr4
32mb unified dynamic cache
1tb
tsmc n4p or samsung sf4x
realistically, how much would this cost?
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Dr.D00p
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Time to remind people that a 7800XT class GPU in a console will get performance out of it equal to the class above it, when compared to PC cards.
The highly optimised, custom SDKs and sheer number of incredibly talented people in games development for consoles means you simply can't use a desktop 7800XT card as a comparison for performance levels.
The highly optimised, custom SDKs and sheer number of incredibly talented people in games development for consoles means you simply can't use a desktop 7800XT card as a comparison for performance levels.
14 Teraflops RDNA3 is not equal to a 7800XT, even a 7700XT has 17.5 Teraflops.
Also the PS5 10 Teraflops APU performs just like a RX 6650XT (which has 10.8 Teraflops).
Mr.Phoenix
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Was it though? It took games from 2M pixels (1080p) to 4M pixels (just above 144p) and used CBR to make the difference. I get we are all impressed that we now got "4K" but it didn't really do much.
This I also one of those diminishing returns things, we can say stuff like the PS4pro had a GPU with a whopping 2.3x more power. And forget that that translated to just 2.4TF more power. But look at the PS5 pro as underwhelming going from 10TF to ~20TF because that's just a 2x boost vs 2.3x, and forget that with a base of 10TF, that translates to 10TF more power. Vs 2.4TF more with the PS4pro.
I never get these guys, they did it right with the PS5. Have a tech reveal just before you send out dev kits cause you know it will leak. If they are sending out PS5pro dev kits, they should announce the damn thing already. It's just gonna leak anyways.Sony is prepared for the real specs to be outed in the coming weeks, as dev kits for PS5 Pro are going out to third party teams.
Stay tuned
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I was really hoping that the PS4 Pro was a one off due to how underpowered the PS4 was at launch and how resolution standards changed pretty quick from 1080p to 4k early in that generation.
I really don't like the idea of Pro consoles.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Mentioned this already... Given the variable clock rate, devs can't assume anything about the GPU clock speed.
I imagine it would be able to hit 2.23, just not in the power target Sony is going after. With all the CUs enabled. Sony could do something like have only 36 enabled if there happens to be a game that somehow breaks.
Midn1ght
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They just released the "Slim" console. Gotta sell these damn things.
We're also in the middle of holiday season so yeah, not gonna announce the Pro just yet.
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Mr.Phoenix
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But why though?
I don't think I would ever understand this kinda reasoning.
Why does the idea of a Pro console unsettle you, when games are still ultimately made for the base console first and foremost?
To me, I do not understand why it took them till the PS4 generation to start making pro consoles, as far as I am concerned, the same way a node shrink could allow for a slim console, is the same way it should allow for a pro console.
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Deleted member 848825
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So I have an 8k Sony Master Series TV. And whilst you benefit from an upscaled improved 4k, increased pixel density panel. For actual 8k content, its very limited in only allowing SDR native 8k. I truly dont believe that 8k is going to be any real world focus at all for the PS5 Pro. Not only would they need to improve their own TV's first. It would be so niche, it would only be a marketing ploy.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
They won't announce anything in December, right after releasing the slim model and right during the Christmas period.
This is probably officially announced in September next year with a November release tbh.
daninthemix
Member
Out of interest does this logic also work when applied to Nvidia hardware? For example, the 4090 is 82 TFLOPS but also has class-leading RT and ML hardware.*Sigh*
14 teraflops of RDNA 3 with dedicated RT intersect, traversal, and ML upscaling hardware is far more powerful than a 7700xt. Maybe if I use the DF example to translate RT performance to teraflops:
Using this method, you can roughly estimate PS5 Pro to be ~30 TF RDNA 2 with RT workload vs 10TF RDNA 2 for base PS5.
But I think it's a silly and convoluted way to look at it. I really thought we were over this TF stuff...
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Sony trying to make 8k a thing in 2024 would be one of the most fuck-stupid decisions I could imagine. Most people don't have 4k screens that are any better than the '4k in name' $300 pieces from Amazon or Walmart.
Physiognomonics
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What I am very interested is the HDMI2 specs. Is this thing going to lower the current 48fps VRR window? Now that could be interesting.
It's an approach that doesn't make any sense with the design philosophy behind PS5 which is fast and narrow and it has no sense to change that for the Pro console.
They essentially would be switching from fast and narrow for BC reasons to slow and wide in Pro mode.
It makes no design sense. Those specs are bullshit, it's not even clear which reputation the leaker has.
Kepler instead is a well known insider.
2.23GHz is the minimum for the GPU, but it's realistic for it be clocked slightly higher at 2.5GHz.
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scarlet0pimp
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While this talk is always pretty exciting, 14 TF console though with vastly improved ray tracing isnt going to be that much of an improvement. Hopefully they can keep the cost of the pro down to about the £450 mark and the slim drop to £350.
It seems like its going to be PS5 graphics with better ray tracing and 1440p native res
It seems like its going to be PS5 graphics with better ray tracing and 1440p native res
SolidQ
Member
with FSR Perfomance mode 1440p,
gooner4life_uk
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64bit
MisterXDTV
Member
HDMI 2.1 specs are set in stone, to go below 48fps, devs have to enable LFC...
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Physiognomonics
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Where are those specs BTW? I can't find them with the VRR window details
ErRor88
Member
To compete with the PS5 Pro. Xbox could increase the GHz of the Series consoles to the PS5 level and bring it closer to the Pro speed. They have enough thermal headroom via the vapor chamber and real-world data. This could net them about 14 to 16 TF give or take the increase.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Well, I don't know... I am just saying they should do some sort of tech talk or whatever about it. I don't see it affecting sales.
They should know fully well that once third parties get hold of that thing, it's going to leak. They lose control of the narrative that way and the PR boost.
Daneel Elijah
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They could, and I think that they did it for the One S. One game was better on it compared to the original Xbox One as a result. So a Xbox Series X slim could do it easily. If you are talking of the Series X already out, it would have been really stupid of Xbox to not do this at launch. I think that they can reasonably add a little power to it, yes. But +2 TF? I will let other more knowlegable people answer that, but it is not so easy. And even if by miracle it works, the PS5 Pro would still be more about better RT and upscaling techniques. And that can't be upgraded the same way on Xbox Series X. For me, it was a real deception when we got the specs. A 14 TF+ with 20 GB of RAM would have been a real monster and it could have made the Series X better than the PS5. But Xbox wanted the S...
Interfectum
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Xbox should not react to a Pro console with one of their own. Instead they should push PC gaming for premium users and release a Steam Deck style portable that plays all Xbox games. Don't chase Sony, try something else.
AGRacing
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You possibly would but in a different way. Perhaps they could leverage the architecture based gains clock for clock. In the case of games with RT and an unlocked frame rate mode I’m sure it would even in “bc mode”.
But I also have a feeling , since they’ve done this once already, that patching games would be a much more simple process. Games seemed developed with headroom in mind in many cases.
Perrott
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The idea of taking an 8K image (rendered at a native resolution above 2160p and then upscaled to 4320p) and downscaling it to 4K for an image quality improvement might be an interesting way for those titles that don't have extensive raytracing implementations to tackle their 30fps quality modes, as the 60fps performance modes are expected to become native or near native 4K now.
Diseased Yak
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We still haven't moved on from Atari Jaguar levels of bits, smh.
Wandering Leopard
Member
Is it? Seems like they'll be doing what they did with the ps4 pro, which was marketed as a 4k console.
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gooner4life_uk
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And we likely never will bro, sad times!
ErRor88
Member
I believe it's known that the Series consoles are underclocked when compared to other RDNA 2 cards. Also, It only needs to compete and pull the line closer to PS5 Pro. IMO, it will give Xbox more time for a new Gen/device, and not fragment their base any further, while giving more for money they already spent.
FYI, Now that Xbox has all these studios, they're in a Nintendo-like zone, and will probably play the middle till the next-gen.
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Deleted member 848825
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Yeah, I dont know how much benefit native 8k super sampling would make these days, when we think about having the likes of FSR and DLSS, then throwing in whatever the new Sony solution might bring. Personally, my expectations aren't such that the PS5 Pro's performance will be so advanced as to be dabbling with 8k at all anyway, even at 30fps.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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"don't chase sony, chase steam instead" doesn't sound like a good strategy tbh.
Interfectum
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The whole idea of Xbox is to give people more ways to play their games. They have a console (two in fact), they have PC, they have streaming. A handheld makes more sense over a slightly more powerful console.
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scarlet0pimp
Member
People can already play their game pass library on the steam deck if they want or the ASUS ROG Ally, infact xbox has been updating the xbox app to work better on smaller screens. Yes they could release their own branded device I suppose.
I have mentioned before that microsoft could up the clocks on the Series X on the CPU and GPU and if they change all the RAM chips to be 2Gb that would give a pretty decent boost to the console and shouldn't require too much work. Might not be as powerful as the PS5 Pro but would be close enough not to matter. How far the design can be pushed would depend on the thermals.
If the PS5 pro is close to the spec released here you will probably find if difficult to pick between a screen shot of a PS5 vs the Pro, of course it will will face offs on digital foundry though when you start too look closely.
Still I find it hard to believe a pro is gong to come out. Happy to be wrong though as I would definitely be interested.
Physiognomonics
Member
You don't polish a turd. The problem of XSX is the fact that they pushed CU number by SA on a GPU architecture designed for quite lower amount of CUs by SA which was good for a server selling compute, but not optimal for gaming. The whole cache pipeline is not designed for so much compute. A slight overclock won't change that. And even for XB1 it was actually interesting to overclock because the esram benefitted from it, that won't be the case here.
And they won't increase ram as that would be quite expensive with not much improvements except in a few games. Might as well design a whole new APU having RDNA4 RT in the first place. This is where all the main improvements (thanks to hardware BHT traversal) will come from on PS5 Pro anyways.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
100%!!! I don't know how someone with an Xbox Series S will feel when they see GTA VI running on a PS5 Pro in all its glory!
Daneel Elijah
Member
It does seems that the Series consoles are undercloked, yes. The why is less certain. The question is, why not do it sooner? The consoles got months to be tested between the beginning of production and november 2020. And we are soon to be in 2024. If this was possible, it would have made more sense to be done earlier. Like for Starfield or Halo Infinite launch. The closed we got was either Sony or Nintendo allowing devs to use more of the console, as the part reserved for the OS was less because of optimisations, or new hardware that had more power, like the New 3DS. As for Xbox being like Nintendo, I am not so sure. Pokemon is big. So is Mario. Under those two monsters, you have IP like Zelda and Metroid, that can easily sell millions of games. Xbox is not yet there. And unlike Nintendo, a lot of their new studios are putting their games on Playstation. See how Starfield was hurt by not being on PS5? Microsoft calculated a 10 millions of games of sales from Starfield and Indiana Jones could be expected. So here too, they are not like Nintendo, who is really all in on their consoles, for the better and for the worse.