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[Ambient80]

I feel a Wall Street coming...

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

C O R P O R A T I O N S

Same thing as Wall Street

Take a drink

 

[Frustrated_me]

You don't win elections by saying everything fine as is.

True.

 

[ColdPizza]

I just realized that Hillary is Intel and Bernie is AMD.

I want AMD to do well, and I think good competition makes everyone better, but when it comes to what I actually want to power my PC? Hard to argue with Intel.

I feel this.

 

[VendettaRed07]

it's about the the youth. it's relevant.

It's an entirely different animal than public education and how to deal with teachers unions

 

[boiled goose]

That is exactly what would happen. Do you remember 2010 and how horrible the ACA role out was? How many people gave up on the process and the entire program's reputation was hurt to this day? Now imagine rolling out a program literally 20x more complicated, because that's what single payer would be. Even if the phase-in period is years, the first steps are going to be a clusterfuck that would piss off tons of people who currently like their healthcare. That's why adding a public option to the existing framework is a better idea.

How to do it and what are the risks of the transition are fair questions.

"tear it down and start over" is dishonest framing.

 

[Smellycat]

Sanders be like "But wait, there is more!!!!"

 

[DietRob]

If I were to be ONLY getting information via these debates I would think that the ONLY 'plan' Sanders has is taxing the rich. I can't believe how many problems will be resolved if we just did that!

 

[foxtrot3d]

People disliked him way before then.

Seriously, people should just type in YouTube Don Lemon's stupidity. He's routinely said some of the stupidest shit on air.

 

[Trojita]

I had the video alt tabbed and that voice took me a back.

Edit: FFS Clinton just come out against it.

 

[danm999]

Fracking Cylons.

 

[eyeball_kid]

So this actually represents a pretty notable break from Obama here -- Obama was an education modernist, pressuring teacher's unions pretty hard for performance-based measures and other actions that would hurt union power in education, and Clinton is going the other way, siding with the unions and saying that the solution is just to pump up the budgets.

Performance-based measures has been a horrible solution. My mom is a teacher so I hear about these things. There's a lot of issues with the school system, but a huge one is bureaucracy. Teachers spend so much time doing paperwork and trying not to get sued or fired over metrics that they can't actually focus on the students.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Listening to these debates, you would think America is one of the worst places in the world.

Half the country will potentially vote for Donald Trump(or hell, Ted Cruz), so maybe.

 

[rtcn63]

Because Clinton and Sanders compliment each other so well, I really wish we could be like Rome and have co-presidents. Despite their disagreements, they both have very reasonable answers to our problems. Each of their blind spots are countered by the others strengths.

Spoiler

It would be kind of unfortunate for the first woman president to have to share her position with a man, though.

Is Bernie VP material?

 

[Makai]

Hillary fixed her voice.

 

[Holmes]

I swear to God, nothing Hillary says makes any sense

So you go for the candidate that says the same thing in all his answers. Checks out.

 

[Mesousa]

Young turks making fun of that fracking girl voice.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Uncle Lemon's Shack

I said:

 

[Ambient80]

I had the video alt tabbed and that voice took me back.

Edit: FFS Clinton just come out against it.

I thought the girl was crying D:

 

[King Tubby]

If I were to be ONLY getting information via these debates I would think that the ONLY 'plan' Sanders has is taxing the rich. I can't believe how many problems will be resolved if we just did that!

I mean, he also mentioned demilitarizing the police and trying to end institutional racism, but sure.

 

[Hylianhero777]

Bernie is worse than Trump at debates. Clinton is too good at formulation while I feel Bernie is more genuine but just lacks the art of speech skills to get his point across as purposefully and completely as Clinton.

It's a weird situation we've found ourselves in. Bernie would be in trouble against Trump because he has trouble expressing himself correctly in debates, while Hillary will struggle because she looks too calculated and prepared which contributes to her negative perception personality wise.

 

[Ithil]

Anyone who fraks.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

He criticized BLM once.

The informed Trump suppporter, ladies and gents

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

I'd like to remind everyone of this beautiful Don Lemon Photoshop thread.

Also this:

 

[Roland_Gunner]

I've seen the distinction described as a choice between a visionary and a tactician. In Obama, we were spoiled and got both.

Ehhh.. Obama's tactics when he didn't have a Congressional minority were pretty poor. He eventually got to the right place but after years of banging his head against a wall. Like the North in the Civil War.

 

[Valhelm]

I've seen the distinction described as a choice between a visionary and a tactician. In Obama, we were spoiled and got both.

Yeah, Obama really will become a little bit of a Democratic Reagan for the next 30 years.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Lol. Asked how he will pass the law through congress.

Answers with "overseas accounts are bad."

 

[lastflowers]

Fracking

 

[Trojita]

Bernie said the right thing.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

clinton is so much more impressive

 

[pigeon]

Big props to Anderson Cooper, by the way, for being the best debate moderator in America. We should make him the Debater General or something.

Actually super surprised that Hillary is coming out against fracking here. I must be privileged. Is fracking officially bad in the Democratic Party? THAT'S WHY GAS IS SO CHEAP GUYS

 

[ant1532]

It's an entirely different animal than public education and how to deal with teachers unions

free public college is not relevant to to public education?

ok. im done with political gaf lol

 

[Slayven]

Young turks making fun of that fracking girl voice.

Being petty as fuck as usual.

 

[SaviourMK2]

Bernie is worse than Trump at debates. Clinton is too good at formulation while I feel Bernie is more genuine but just lacks the art of speech skills to get his point across as purposefully and completely as Clinton.

Screaming lies doesn't make him a better debater than Sanders

Edit: Fraking got him a 1UP with the audience

 

[Makai]

WERCKEDddd

 

[subrock]

atta boy bernie. Good answer on fracking.

 

[Kurt Angle]

lol hills face when bernie killed her dragged on answer

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Hillary is a fracking champion

 

[catmincer]

Let's see if wall Street turns up in a climate change answer.

 

[Ashodin]

Hillary just got REKT on climate change and fracking.

 

[boiled goose]

These debates are why Hillary supporters should not want Bernie to drop out.

When she does well she shines, and we keep the focus on progressive issues. The more she is vetted now the stronger she will be in the general.

 

[Steel]

I hope people realize that even when we stop using oil for fuel we'll still need it for a shitload of other products. Something like a quarter of all oil produced today isn't used for fuel.

Hillary fixed her voice.

Dropped some cough drops during the break.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Remember when Don Lemon asked a Bil Cosby victim why she didn't just bite down?

 

[foxtrot3d]

Throw the whole party under the bus to support one extreme view.

 

[B-Dubs]

Big props to Anderson Cooper, by the way, for being the best debate moderator in America. We should make him the Debater General or something.

Agreed.


ESTABLISHMENT! TAKE A SHOT!

 

[Trojita]

Young turks making fun of that fracking girl voice.

Who?

 

[danm999]

free public college is not relevant to to public education?

ok. im done with political gaf lol

The question was about reforming K-12 though.

Like, that's what the lady asked.

 

[Tesseract]

Truth, my friends.

 

[ant1532]

hahaha hilary just got wrecked on the fracking

 

[Diablos]

Yes. that is fair. Hillary could say, yes, I am pro single payer, but I need to focus my energy on something else. Sanders could say the same. The focus questions are fair.

But the "tear it down and start over" is extremely dishonest framing . That was my strong objection.

Come on now. We can do better.

Excuse me but it's totally fair. Tearing down part = epic congressional battle that gets people riled up about the gov't fucking with their health care for the second time in 10 years and this time around Bernie's vision wouldn't even pass. Dems look like huge losers and the GOP runs against it. Republicans ran against the ACA at their peril post 2010 because despite its flaws it is a tangible benefit that is literally saving lives.