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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Plus your next turn in will cost more to just get what you would have gotten before and another half wall if you dont get the inital keep
Another thing is a willingness to use first objectives to gain a lead. I dont necesarily recommend newer players not to just group w/ ur team and push when an objective is taken since it's fun and prob not that horrendouz if you are starting out, just know it is inefficient and dangerous. Like cursed hallow for example is a pretty dangerous map to group as 5 if you dont have a talent or person lead at the time, and again, inefficient, like ull see your winrate go up if you even just valla w a wave by yourself first and then meet your team. One big thing for cursed is to try to not let the enemy team get all the amassed exp from a curse by either pressuring something hard (all-in a lane together while your minion waves die off to structures) or getting something safe and valuable like a boss where the enemy team isnt close
Another thing is a willingness to use first objectives to gain a lead. I dont necesarily recommend newer players not to just group w/ ur team and push when an objective is taken since it's fun and prob not that horrendouz if you are starting out, just know it is inefficient and dangerous. Like cursed hallow for example is a pretty dangerous map to group as 5 if you dont have a talent or person lead at the time, and again, inefficient, like ull see your winrate go up if you even just valla w a wave by yourself first and then meet your team. One big thing for cursed is to try to not let the enemy team get all the amassed exp from a curse by either pressuring something hard (all-in a lane together while your minion waves die off to structures) or getting something safe and valuable like a boss where the enemy team isnt close
Okay those are great
Hadn't thought about any of that at all! thanks so muchJust realize that simply knowing a tip like that isn't going to net much value for the most part since you'll either be arguing with people about why you aren't turning in your coins or taking a heap of grief from your team if you or anyone happens to lose your coins while you're saving them until the optimal time.Great tips
that is the bay map? with the pirates?
So regardless of what people share with you in this thread, the best tip is that it's far better for 5 people to be doing the wrong thing together than 1 person to be doing the right thing alone.
Also, and this was a really hard lesson for me to learn as a former raid leader:
It is better to do something stupid as 5 than something clever as 1.
If your group does something, even if you know it's wrong, generally the best option is to go with them. By all means try to persuade them otherwise (if you are the tank you can do this quite well), but generally it's a team game. Also don't insult them in chat when they do something dumb - no-one ever performs better when being publicly mocked.
Far more so than any other moba, you live and die as 5.
It is better to do something stupid as 5 than something clever as 1.
If your group does something, even if you know it's wrong, generally the best option is to go with them. By all means try to persuade them otherwise (if you are the tank you can do this quite well), but generally it's a team game. Also don't insult them in chat when they do something dumb - no-one ever performs better when being publicly mocked.
Far more so than any other moba, you live and die as 5.
Okay so teamwork over all basically, even if the team is doing it wrong and doesn't listen in chat?
is there any group of EU gaffers that play together regularly?
So Azmodunk tomorrow, Tracer next Tuesday, then ???? right? I would assume with Overwatch officially launching the 24th that we might see another Overwatch hero on May 10th/17th, and possibly one more after that since they seem to like their three-pack releases.
On the other hand, the Warcraft movie drops on June 10th and I guess they'd want some kind of tie-in or promotion with it? That would mean we'd only get one more hero before that time after Tracer. What characters are even in the Warcraft movie? Literally all I know about it is there was drama over Paula Patton's character and that the Vikings dude is in it.
EDIT: Looks like Doomhammer and Garrosh are in it, as is Varian and Paula is Garona. Garona would be sweet. And Gul'dan, nice.
Not Garrosh...Grommash huehue
On the other hand, the Warcraft movie drops on June 10th and I guess they'd want some kind of tie-in or promotion with it? That would mean we'd only get one more hero before that time after Tracer. What characters are even in the Warcraft movie? Literally all I know about it is there was drama over Paula Patton's character and that the Vikings dude is in it.
EDIT: Looks like Doomhammer and Garrosh are in it, as is Varian and Paula is Garona. Garona would be sweet. And Gul'dan, nice.
Not Garrosh...Grommash huehue
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Shouldn't Medivh also be in it?
Derp, yeah, Grommash .
I believe he is. Says Ben Foster is playing him.
Typically the more you type in chat, the worse things will go. People take it the wrong way, or tell you that you are wrong, etc etc. It's best to avoid typing anything but good job, good luck have fun, and so forth in my experience.
But yes, if the team is gonna suicide as 4 into 5 while you do something else and they won't listen to pings, then you kind of have to go even though it's not a smart move. 4 v 5 they wipe and you are in a deep hole. 5 v 5 at least you have a chance.
.I believe he is. Says Ben Foster is playing him.
Typically the more you type in chat, the worse things will go. People take it the wrong way, or tell you that you are wrong, etc etc. It's best to avoid typing anything but good job, good luck have fun, and so forth in my experience.
But yes, if the team is gonna suicide as 4 into 5 while you do something else and they won't listen to pings, then you kind of have to go even though it's not a smart move. 4 v 5 they wipe and you are in a deep hole. 5 v 5 at least you have a chance.
Its really something youll have to go out and see for yourself, sticking w/ team decision above all else is kind of hyperbole but itll make more sense as you play more.
Well, at least one person got the message from the Korean HOTS massacre:
A little later he said he felt had a good Illidan, Sonya, and Kerrigan, but he needed to become better at Zera and Thrall among others. Also said he will no longer play Greymane for the team, that'll be someone else.
Good to see him diving in so hard. Hope the rest of the team is as well.
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A little later he said he felt had a good Illidan, Sonya, and Kerrigan, but he needed to become better at Zera and Thrall among others. Also said he will no longer play Greymane for the team, that'll be someone else.
Good to see him diving in so hard. Hope the rest of the team is as well.
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Lameosaurus is Fan's gf IIRC, they always stream together.
Yep, Rentaro. She was needling him about Fan playing Zera instead.
I want to see it because of the countless hours I spent on that game in my early adult years. I still get the nostalgia pings to play it sometimes. I hope they do tie-in somehow, though I would honestly rather have 3 Overwatch heroes than 2 OW and more Warcraft if that's how it pans out. Just sucks they are kinda back to back releases like that.
I want to see it because of the countless hours I spent on that game in my early adult years. I still get the nostalgia pings to play it sometimes. I hope they do tie-in somehow, though I would honestly rather have 3 Overwatch heroes than 2 OW and more Warcraft if that's how it pans out. Just sucks they are kinda back to back releases like that.
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Okay this is funny
What's so difficult about hitting the print screen button? It's literally its own button.
What's so difficult about hitting the print screen button? It's literally its own button.
Dunno blaze always existed as a singular entity in my head, i only know yuuj plays support, bige will be playing ranged tho so gmane will be on him unless fan does it. I hope nvt doesnt sleep on dehaka and has someone learn him.
From memory on THH they said that they all played all heroes.
Also, just to say, the latest State of the Nexus was fantastic. That really is *the* place to go for proper Heroes e-sports discussion right now. Dread, Bakery and Khaelaris bring so much to the table - and Grubby was a fantastic guest.
Also, just to say, the latest State of the Nexus was fantastic. That really is *the* place to go for proper Heroes e-sports discussion right now. Dread, Bakery and Khaelaris bring so much to the table - and Grubby was a fantastic guest.
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Oh yeah forgot to link that because of HotD overshadowing, watched it live and it was really enlightening.
Once they iron out the kinks, it's gonna be fantastic. And dreads face while bakery talked about problems within the team was hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOXoqc5xWM
Once they iron out the kinks, it's gonna be fantastic. And dreads face while bakery talked about problems within the team was hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOXoqc5xWM
Same. C9/Dunktrain hate anything split push. Promote meta, Abathur, etc. It's a good route to attack them on IMO, and at the least draw out bans after the first game or two and allow you to get other heroes you prize.
Would love to listen if it ever gets on iTunes. Makes no sense that it isn't on there now if he did submit it a while back, it shouldn't take this long to be approved.
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Gif'd it myself
Bakery was just saying how even if you want to give the team a chance if 1 or 2 aren't on the same line there's nothing one can do, paraphrasing
Bakery was just saying how even if you want to give the team a chance if 1 or 2 aren't on the same line there's nothing one can do, paraphrasing
He requires much more coordination than the average tank. And he's new. Probably not ever gonna be a really great hero for solo queue life due to how team oriented he is.
After trying him a bit last weekend i do think they should allow his e to be activatable and for burrow to be cast on minimap, they might have to change his lvl 4 then tho
Also im a little less hype about the minion talent at lvl 1, it's the best option imo but movement speed feels valuable on him. Isolation is pretty strong but im bad at landing it atm
Oh, another thing, i forget which tier it's in but he has a talent for +ms after he zs, they should change that so it's a weaker version of homeguard from league instead of only 3 secs (ms burst for x duration, cancelled if you attack or get attacked), thatd be sick and make him very terrifyig
Also im a little less hype about the minion talent at lvl 1, it's the best option imo but movement speed feels valuable on him. Isolation is pretty strong but im bad at landing it atm
Oh, another thing, i forget which tier it's in but he has a talent for +ms after he zs, they should change that so it's a weaker version of homeguard from league instead of only 3 secs (ms burst for x duration, cancelled if you attack or get attacked), thatd be sick and make him very terrifyig
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On a coordinated team you can play Dehaka as an aggressive global initiator/ganker, solo queue you need to play Dehaka more as a durable counter-initiator. Drag is great at interrupting a lot of the strong melee assassins at key moments (Illidan after he uses Dive and Evasion, Thrall during his Windfury combo, a diving worgen Greymane) shutting down their durability and/or putting them in a horrible position. Isolation is a really strong ult against those backline heroes you need to shut down, if only for a few seconds, and Adaption makes him annoyingly persistent in a teamfight.
At the end of the day, there are more viable tanks to play as though. Especially solo queue.
Balance changes: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/20742939675
Lots of expected changes (Kael buffs, Li-Ming disintegrate 30s cooldown, Falstad Gust 60s cooldown), and also some unexpected things like passive bonuses for taking Twilight Dream and Emerald Wind.
Lots of expected changes (Kael buffs, Li-Ming disintegrate 30s cooldown, Falstad Gust 60s cooldown), and also some unexpected things like passive bonuses for taking Twilight Dream and Emerald Wind.
These two changes to Illidan would've been a good start and may be enough. The range is how he was surviving for so long, IMO, easier getaways.
But couple it with the health nerfs and stuff, that's pretty rough. I'm not an Illidan player so I may be wrong, but people here already said he felt less survivable...now he's even less than that less.
Nah, once we got used to him people quickly figured out he was actually far harder to kill than before. The block talent at 7 was ludicrous, and I want to know what developer thought that was okay to go live as it is. It gave more charges than normal block, could be used on demand and was spammable like crazy on him
Kael stuff is interesting, but I don't think people will start using his stun until they give the speed back on it somehow. It's simply too slow to land as it is most of the time.
Overcorrection for lack of burst HP healz.
New Sylv is still pretty fun. The E refreshing Q talent creates a lot of burst when you use it now with the changes. It's kind of like the same hero remixed. I still dig her, still one of my favorites when it comes to ranged.
I had the block talent included in that post as the two changes they needed to make.
He can literally leap a screen with dive talent to skirt away with like 75 HP, and block was what pretty much everyone was taking there AFAIK. If they just changed the dive range and the block, they probably could've left it at that til they saw what happened for another week or two. They also hit his other survivability, though, so I dunno how it pans out now.
He's hard to balance and not be OP or UP. Hopefully they can find a way to keep him viable but not ridiculous.
I had the block talent included in that post as the two changes they needed to make.
He can literally leap a screen with dive talent to skirt away with like 75 HP, and block was what pretty much everyone was taking there AFAIK. If they just changed the dive range and the block, they probably could've left it at that til they saw what happened for another week or two. They also hit his other survivability, though, so I dunno how it pans out now.
He's hard to balance and not be OP or UP. Hopefully they can find a way to keep him viable but not ridiculous.
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