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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

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Xeteh

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Really looking forward to Li-Ming seeing some nerfhammer. She's so frustrating to fight against in huge team fights.
 

Concept17

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I just had the best juke ever against li ming as nazeebo. Side stepped her shots, zombie walled right where she was teleporting to, frogs, spiders, and a completely unneeded ult.

Felt good.
 

Alur

Member
Yeah, I've been waiting for necromancer basically since I started. One more week (I hope). And hopefully he's not feeder tier like most of the recent releases.
 

Ketch

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Well their track record withe melee specialists is pretty good.



Hopefully he has an ability that lets him stand still for 5 seconds in order to do one feral lunge worths of damage.
 

Alur

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What is it the interweb kids say now? Savage? Savage.
 

Ketch

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I played him after the nerf, and yea it felt kind of bad... but I also have not played him in a really long time.

In theory his damage is till there, except for the phoenix... but even then, you probably weren't casting it on CD against heroes anyway... and the shield is really only most helpful within the first 1 - 2 seconds anyway... His early game is worse because it's a little bit harder to gank, but that's true across the board.

I think maybe in general he's probably just getting pushed down by Li Ming

edit: HAHA oh man, I just went in to hotslogs to see who fairs well against Li Ming, and she's got a greater then 50% winrate against everyone except Rehgar who she has a 49.5% winrate against. If that's not balanced then I don't know what is.
 

Celegus

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Can't imagine what else the patch would be addressing since she's clearly the most in need of attention. I'll have to try her out tonight finally, since I always wait for 10k.
 

Milly79

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Here's what I'm thinking:

Astral removed, Ass of Johanna removed
Q CD increase
W damage nerf
Disintegrate range nerf, maybe touch the 60% slow at 20
Wave of Force buff at 10

Not sure if Teleport is an issue, or what they'd do outside of tweaking some talents
 

Ketch

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In Eu he has been.

But he's had 1 skill build since alpha. Maybe u can tech in stone skin instead of bfb. But DONT take SM, that would be crazy.
 

Ketch

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I was gonna post a video that solid jake just made the other day about illidan, but after watching like 3 minutes of it, I realized I hate solid jake and don't want to propagate his BS.
 

Alur

Member
Fair point on Illidan. Milly and I were talking about that earlier. There's a lot of heroes who are that way.

KT, Illidan, Zagara, Tychus, Tassadar, etc.

On the one hand I hate that it's like that and wish it was different. On the other hand a big part of the reason it is like that is because of people like us, adhering to those builds and propagating them and talking about them on forums/reddit.
 

Ketch

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On the other hand a big part of the reason it is like that is because of people like us,

Don't lump me in with you guys, you non-seasoned marksman appreciatin' mother fuckers.

It's a good talent! Think outside the box!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 

Ketch

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Yes he does!

Vision, shields, damage (ish), and even slows

His slow talents also synergize pretty damn well with force wall... so I'm slightly surprised we haven't seen anybody doing that either.
 

Alur

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I think he may but that's not what is commonly used by your average Tassaderp.

Here's his most common picks in HL.

1) Conjurer's is 67.8% (Overload 16.0%)
4) Leeching Plasma is 70.0% (Mental Acuity 14.7%)
7) Khala's Embrace is 76.6% (Static Charge 14.4%)
10) Force Wall is 70.7% (Archon 29.3%)
13) Prescience is 58.2% (Shrink Ray 24.6%)
16) Dimensional Warp is 56.8% (Second Strike 20.3%)
20) Storm Shield is 54.0% (Force Barrier 21.7%)

Pretty heavily weighted toward the one standard build. I think he's kinda like several of the other "one build" heroes. There's other talents there, but they aren't quite as good or synergistic (or are only useful in certain situations) and so you just do the one thing.
 

Ketch

Member
Or you just do the one thing because that's what everybody does.

just because everybody only uses one build does not mean that there's only one build.



Here's the rabbit hole, go get it.
 

Alur

Member
Isn't that basically what I said? :p We are the ones creating a lot of this constraint for ourselves. Only the mighty Ketch can avoid the sway of the mighty hotdogs and play off-kilter builds to try and save the world one creep wave at a time.

They should make a hero in Overwatch after you.

I missed having you here doing your best Loki impression. It's not the same without the madness.
 

Ketch

Member
I lol'd.

So it sounds like maybe we are agreeing about tassadar then, but at least it's a prime example of why I don't put much stock into hotslogs. It can actually be counterproductive to getting better at the game.
 

Milly79

Member
I don't feel like it makes him better tho

Just makes him brain dead ez when near death

Like oh cool, you got away. Come back and do your pitful dmg on me pls
 

Ketch

Member
Yea it's like the same thing uther does. Just heal/shield a bunch, and then "die" but not actually be die and continue to heal/shield a bunch.
 

brian!

Member
it makes him way better and is like top 2 reason he's so strong
since they redid him to be all about his q
and that redo also drew aggro to him too

kael only really varies between 2 builds, but tass can mix and match a bit, I dunno if that makes him diverse if he's getting the same shit at 13/16 every time tho

but all the talent choices he makes are a lot more interesting than kael's choices

it's crazy that leeching has such a high percentage at 4, acuity is great and eu started doing healing ward too (still dont get it really)
it's also ridiculous that rewind isnt top 2
 
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