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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Oh man, I'm imagining disintegrate slow + lvl 20 beam upgrade. Sweet mother of god.
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Man, I disagree with this analysis. Greymane has unbelievable poke with the Q build, and the threat he poses for instantly killing heroes is unlike any other hero in the game currently. There is a reason Greymane is being played a lot lately, he's really good. Also he's super fucking fun, which helps.
Yep, people really don't understand the threat a Greymane poses. In a game I played yesterday, the enemy Zeratul at 70% health jumped out Li-Ming at 30% health. Normally that would be a guaranteed kill, but I was able to kill him as Greymane before he got the kill on her. His ability to instantly drop a huge amount of damage on someone from range is second to none, and people really don't recognise the danger he poses.
And as you say, he's not an underpowered ranged hero - he's better than many popular non-Mage ranged heroes right now with the cocktail build, including Raynor and Valla.
And as you say, he's not an underpowered ranged hero - he's better than many popular non-Mage ranged heroes right now with the cocktail build, including Raynor and Valla.
I have legit seen all of three Greymane's doing enough damage at range pre-20 to make me want to take them over a mage or Raynor or even Falstad for his utility.
He is very fun but I'm not convinced. I have already said I haven't watched much EU compared to the usual of late, and certainly they are picking him for a reason. My argument was simply that I haven't seen him used with much success in my own games whatsoever which is why I'm not surprised by NA pros also being skeptical. If he legit has a place he'll show up here just like any good hero does in any meta though so the saltiness you guys have about THH or whoever shitting on this hero or that gives me the lulz. In general both regions go down this same road and do the same thing, though as you've said NA is often more skeptical.
Regardless of that fact, though, I'd still (personally) rather have someone else in my games based on the feed potential alone. It's not a rare occurrence seeing Greymane with 6 or 7+ deaths and that's my biggest gripe with him.
He is very fun but I'm not convinced. I have already said I haven't watched much EU compared to the usual of late, and certainly they are picking him for a reason. My argument was simply that I haven't seen him used with much success in my own games whatsoever which is why I'm not surprised by NA pros also being skeptical. If he legit has a place he'll show up here just like any good hero does in any meta though so the saltiness you guys have about THH or whoever shitting on this hero or that gives me the lulz. In general both regions go down this same road and do the same thing, though as you've said NA is often more skeptical.
Regardless of that fact, though, I'd still (personally) rather have someone else in my games based on the feed potential alone. It's not a rare occurrence seeing Greymane with 6 or 7+ deaths and that's my biggest gripe with him.
That's kinda what I'm saying though. He is fucking awesome at killing some mugs and he can do it better than pretty much anyone, I just haven't seen the reward be worth the risk. Typically it's a one for one or his overextension gets two but gets another teammate killed trying to bail him out. Yeah if you're picking him situationally (as I would assume they are) then the situation can def be different.
I've not seen a situation (or maybe a player) that is good enough with him in my games to bother though...but you also have to consider I'm talking about games with no bans so you can get literally whoever you want.
I am surprised hyper-aggressive BRFC/Navi Jr. and a team like Cog with Glau aren't high on him (or are acting like they aren't). Glau plays him on stream.
I've not seen a situation (or maybe a player) that is good enough with him in my games to bother though...but you also have to consider I'm talking about games with no bans so you can get literally whoever you want.
I am surprised hyper-aggressive BRFC/Navi Jr. and a team like Cog with Glau aren't high on him (or are acting like they aren't). Glau plays him on stream.
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I've missed you popping up to poop on things and disappear for a few weeks.
Yeah that's probably the case. We haven't seen Navi Jr. in what, most of a month? I'm sure they haven't just been sitting on their hands.
We should see some xul info today right?
Edit: boom, xul talents: http://www.rgj.com/story/life/2016/...ard-heroes-of-the-storm-xul-preview/80722130/
Lvl 20: mortal strike on his scythe skill shot.
Edit: boom, xul talents: http://www.rgj.com/story/life/2016/...ard-heroes-of-the-storm-xul-preview/80722130/
Lvl 20: mortal strike on his scythe skill shot.
My biggest fear about Xul:
Sort of goes without saying, but also sucks if he's just mage meat cause mages are all we see.
Anyway, here's the talents if you can't hit the link:
Kind of a weird place for an interview/talent release isn't it? Reno Gazette-Journal?
Jade Martin said:
Sort of goes without saying, but also sucks if he's just mage meat cause mages are all we see.
Anyway, here's the talents if you can't hit the link:
Kind of a weird place for an interview/talent release isn't it? Reno Gazette-Journal?
Wow, he has a lot of possible slows and other debuffs.
- His W does attack-speed slow.
- His E roots
- Level 1 talent for Bone Armor to slow enemies
- Level 7 talent to increase attack-speed slow of W
- Skeletal Mages heroic slow targets
- level 13 talent to add slow to Q
- Level 17 talent to add vulnerability to E
- Level 20 talent to add reduced healing to Q
Also note that he can take executioner at 17, which might actually go pretty well if his melee damage isn't terrible, given how many of the required effects he can do himself.
- His W does attack-speed slow.
- His E roots
- Level 1 talent for Bone Armor to slow enemies
- Level 7 talent to increase attack-speed slow of W
- Skeletal Mages heroic slow targets
- level 13 talent to add slow to Q
- Level 17 talent to add vulnerability to E
- Level 20 talent to add reduced healing to Q
Also note that he can take executioner at 17, which might actually go pretty well if his melee damage isn't terrible, given how many of the required effects he can do himself.
Some things that immediately stand out besides mortal strike
He's got executioner attacks that cleave and his own slows
He's also got a bunch of %hp damage abilities, lvl 1 talent that does 15% hp damage? Plus giant killer plus lvl 20 poison upgrade. Chogall stitches and muradin better look out.
He may be the hero which they switched to specialist and he made a lot more sense. If anyone remembers that blurb from around when rexxar came out
He's got executioner attacks that cleave and his own slows
He's also got a bunch of %hp damage abilities, lvl 1 talent that does 15% hp damage? Plus giant killer plus lvl 20 poison upgrade. Chogall stitches and muradin better look out.
He may be the hero which they switched to specialist and he made a lot more sense. If anyone remembers that blurb from around when rexxar came out
Just looking at him, that Backlash talent at one (15% damage on Bone Armor expiration) seems handy to me regardless of context. Even if he dies it kind of acts as a corpse explosion.
Jailors at 4 sounds fun for pure annoyance. Dunno if it's any good though. Be interesting to see at 7 if Harvest Vitality provides sustain to Xul in the same way we used to see with Leoric's early builds. That could make him a little more viable.
Also interesting that he has a Vulnerability at 16 (2 sec vuln on Bone Armor). Dat Mortal Wound at 20 doe...wowee. Bone Spear at 20 too.
That's a good call. I don't think they said they did change one, just that they talked about it but it could be. I always thought it should've been Rexxar myself but that ship is sailed now.
Jailors at 4 sounds fun for pure annoyance. Dunno if it's any good though. Be interesting to see at 7 if Harvest Vitality provides sustain to Xul in the same way we used to see with Leoric's early builds. That could make him a little more viable.
Also interesting that he has a Vulnerability at 16 (2 sec vuln on Bone Armor). Dat Mortal Wound at 20 doe...wowee. Bone Spear at 20 too.
That's a good call. I don't think they said they did change one, just that they talked about it but it could be. I always thought it should've been Rexxar myself but that ship is sailed now.
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Heroes is so dead major content releases are lucky to be covered by random local news outlets
Haha. I'm sure that wasn't the reason but it kind of gives that impression.
They've been on Heroes Nexus for weeks.
No mobility
from Reddit:
BASIC ABILITIES
[1] Bone Armor: Activate to gain a Shield equal to 25% of your maximum Health for 3 seconds.
[Q] Spectral Scythe: Summon a scythe at target location that travels toward you after a 1-second delay, damaging enemies in its path.
[W] Cursed Strikes: Once activated, your Basic Attacks over the next 4 seconds deal damage in a wide arc and reduce the Attack Speed of enemies hit by 50% for 2 seconds.
[E] Bone Prison: After a 2-second delay, root target enemy in place for 2 seconds.
HEROIC ABILITIES
[R] Poison Nova: After a short delay, release poisonous missiles that deal massive poison damage over 10 seconds to all enemies hit.
[R] Skeletal Mages: Summon 4 Skeletal Mages in a line that attack nearby enemies and slow them by 30% for 2 seconds. Lasts up to 15 seconds.
More observations:
3 sec for bone shield is not very long... Basically just stone skin at lvl 1.... But it makes the 15% hp damage it can do a lot easier to get onto the right targets
4 seconds for his auto atk steroid is not very long... So even if he can provide his own slows the executioner build still doesn't sound super OP... Perma slow but only like 2 or 3 autos with the bonus damage.
"Poison nova: after a short delay...." Sounds interruptable... Not great for a melee hero whose gonna want to cast it in the middle of the enemy team. At least it's not channeled.
Day 1 team comp idea: xul, medic, executioner raynor, Jaina, ETC.
from Reddit:
BASIC ABILITIES
[1] Bone Armor: Activate to gain a Shield equal to 25% of your maximum Health for 3 seconds.
[Q] Spectral Scythe: Summon a scythe at target location that travels toward you after a 1-second delay, damaging enemies in its path.
[W] Cursed Strikes: Once activated, your Basic Attacks over the next 4 seconds deal damage in a wide arc and reduce the Attack Speed of enemies hit by 50% for 2 seconds.
[E] Bone Prison: After a 2-second delay, root target enemy in place for 2 seconds.
HEROIC ABILITIES
[R] Poison Nova: After a short delay, release poisonous missiles that deal massive poison damage over 10 seconds to all enemies hit.
[R] Skeletal Mages: Summon 4 Skeletal Mages in a line that attack nearby enemies and slow them by 30% for 2 seconds. Lasts up to 15 seconds.
More observations:
3 sec for bone shield is not very long... Basically just stone skin at lvl 1.... But it makes the 15% hp damage it can do a lot easier to get onto the right targets
4 seconds for his auto atk steroid is not very long... So even if he can provide his own slows the executioner build still doesn't sound super OP... Perma slow but only like 2 or 3 autos with the bonus damage.
"Poison nova: after a short delay...." Sounds interruptable... Not great for a melee hero whose gonna want to cast it in the middle of the enemy team. At least it's not channeled.
Day 1 team comp idea: xul, medic, executioner raynor, Jaina, ETC.
Sup d00ds
Just started not long ago, got to level 30 and started ranked. Been duoing with a friend, we mostly play a Valla/Stitches combo. Out of placements now, rank 6-7 now? Seems you gain ranks pretty fast, it was 1-2 ranks per game. I placed at 11 and it seems to be pretty smooth.
I like thrall too, played him a bit when he was free, might also start playing him in ranked once I buy him. Is he good?
Just started not long ago, got to level 30 and started ranked. Been duoing with a friend, we mostly play a Valla/Stitches combo. Out of placements now, rank 6-7 now? Seems you gain ranks pretty fast, it was 1-2 ranks per game. I placed at 11 and it seems to be pretty smooth.
I like thrall too, played him a bit when he was free, might also start playing him in ranked once I buy him. Is he good?
Thrall's in a pretty decent spot now. And yes, fresh out of placement you gain MMR (and consequently ranked points) very quickly. It starts slowing down a bit around 50 games played. Eventually you lose the bonus points that you get, though it sounds like you may hit rank 1 before you lose yours.
Kharazim and falstad both are pretty fun too. I play them now and then, kharazim if I need to support. But I find he's a really good solo too and can duel a lot of people
Are rehgar and liming still op? I seem to see them + zagara every game, it used to be annoying but i think I've gotten used to it. We don't own them so they tend to be on the other team.
When can you tell when there are patches?
Are rehgar and liming still op? I seem to see them + zagara every game, it used to be annoying but i think I've gotten used to it. We don't own them so they tend to be on the other team.
When can you tell when there are patches?
I think the masses are split on Li-Ming. Rehgar still seems a little too good, though. And yeah, Falstad is pretty good too. Kharazim is my favorite support, lots of fun with him compared to a few of the others due to how he is able to finish kills.
Re: patches: your client will update and you should have a little link there for patch notes near the play button IIRC. It will also pop up in the scrolling window in the launcher after they finally put the notes on the website.
Re: patches: your client will update and you should have a little link there for patch notes near the play button IIRC. It will also pop up in the scrolling window in the launcher after they finally put the notes on the website.
That always makes it more fun.I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Bans in pugs will be so dumb.
We've had two bans in pro league for ages now, with a much smaller hero pool. Bans will be fine with the current numbers, and by the time we get them we'll have at least one more hero as well.
The corrected version is
[Active] Backlash: When Bone Armor expires, nearby enemies take 15% of their maximum Health as damage.
[Active] Shackler: While Bone Armor is active, nearby enemies are slowed by 30% for 1 second.
[Active] Shade: While Bone Armor is active, you evade all Basic Attacks, but its cooldown is increased by 10 seconds.
Yep - I agreed with Erho on that one. If I see someone hovering Nova in hero league and I'm choosing bans, she's getting banned every time.
Just Nova - I loathe Nova. Even when she's good I loathe her, because she plays a different game to the rest of the team and it's just unfun.
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