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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Exactly the same most likely. She's still in almost every game I play. Great week for Butcher to chop li ming noobies though.
so yeah 100% it's Dehaka
jaundicejuice
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They can't even get some level 10 talents right but they should go ham with the level 20's. Make the ult talents a greedy pick over boring-ass utility.
I think this is the biggest problem. I don't even care about the PTR, but it seems to me that they themselves aren't actually sure on a lot of things. I wish they would just bring in people from the community who are actually good at the game and ask them for input on changes.
Like they could get dread and zuna in there for a week or two while balance discussions are happening and they could tell them if stuff is broken and why. They wouldn't have to necessarily agree to their suggestions, but at least they would get some balance ideas from people who are actually good at the game.
RumblingRosco
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I always pick the Haymaker upgrade at 20. Always.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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When I set HoTS to windowed borderless the mouse cursor somehow becomes humongous so no not using it bu Blizzard seems to be ok with the program for now.
I wish Blizz looked at Tyrael and reduced mana costs a little on him. Properly playing tyrael sadly just means do nothing to conserve mana too much.
jaundicejuice
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It's what they do with WoW, invite the top raiding guilds in to help them with raid tuning. They should have the top pro HotS teams offer feedback on major patches that only they have access to on the PTR, which probably means dialing back the rate at which they currently do patches but I think most players would welcome quality over quantity and some of the random things they do to balance heroes.
I agree with incorporating the pros in some way (though I have no clue how you could regularly do it due to vastly smaller number of HOTS pros vs good WoW raiders at it's peak), but I do disagree with that sentence above.
Outside of it infringing on tournaments, no one has really complained about this sudden patch frequency. Several of the pros have been on THH and said the new speed was good, it just sucks that it impacts things on their end but they are such a small fraction in comparison. For them, that's easily remedied with a tournament server whenever Blizz gets around to it. Said server could theoretically also be used to test if they so desired, but that's beside the point.
RE: the above - I want the quantity. Sure, we get some stuff like Rehgar OP or Nova hammered in the ground, but they have been diligent about remedying those things in ensuing patches whereas before Rehgar would've remained in his OP state for 2-3 months minimum before they even took a first pass. Right now is far, far preferable to whatever we've had in the past. It's not like the quality has been terrible either. There's just been a couple of outliers and most of that is centered around new heroes.
By and large the patches have seen reasonable changes that have helped, the main complaints outside of those two are based on either (A) the new heroes released or (B) them targeting heroes that people don't want targeted.
I never tried it out because Blizzard never said yes or no. Still don't think it's all that useful TBH. If it could tell you how good a person was with the hero they picked immediately I might change my mind, but you have to wait until the game is up to see that stuff IIRC.
jaundicejuice
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If they were taking in outside feedback from pros rather than working within their vacuum, things like OP Rehgar, randomly nerfing one of Greymane's viable builds or buffing already arguably over-powered ranged assassin might might not occur in the first place.
I agree it would help, not disputing that. I'm just saying the ease of setting up and getting that feedback isn't as simple as implied. For one there's what, 75 good HOTS pros worldwide? There's far more high MMr players and pros, but where do you draw the line?
For two, how does Blizz convince them (particularly the NA crowd which is averse to playing outside of scrims/tourneys anyway) to either cut back their schedule or play more for changes that may or may not ever see the light of day? Again, small pool and probably smaller amount willing to participate. Are 5-10 pros coming in enough to matter or sway anything? I don't know.
For three, how do they set it up? Prevent leaks? Prevent certain teams who have testers In a round from having a leg up on teams who didn't? Are those players not allowed to compete on that patch? Are only retired pros allowed to test?
It's not as easy as just throwing it out there for feedback from their end (unless they literally make a test server available to everyone).
In the meantime I'm pretty happy with what we've got. There's dumb changes (Rehgar AH nerf is the latest in a line of them), but I've never played a game that patched regularly and changed shit that didn't have people crying OP, UP, stupid, and everything else. It's an MMO staple, now brought to MOBA by the pre-eminent MMO company.
For two, how does Blizz convince them (particularly the NA crowd which is averse to playing outside of scrims/tourneys anyway) to either cut back their schedule or play more for changes that may or may not ever see the light of day? Again, small pool and probably smaller amount willing to participate. Are 5-10 pros coming in enough to matter or sway anything? I don't know.
For three, how do they set it up? Prevent leaks? Prevent certain teams who have testers In a round from having a leg up on teams who didn't? Are those players not allowed to compete on that patch? Are only retired pros allowed to test?
It's not as easy as just throwing it out there for feedback from their end (unless they literally make a test server available to everyone).
In the meantime I'm pretty happy with what we've got. There's dumb changes (Rehgar AH nerf is the latest in a line of them), but I've never played a game that patched regularly and changed shit that didn't have people crying OP, UP, stupid, and everything else. It's an MMO staple, now brought to MOBA by the pre-eminent MMO company.
I honestly don't think it's nearly as hard you're making it out to be.
Like they already have contact with all these players already, it wouldn't be hard to send a private message to dread or grubby or even like c9 or naventic, just ask them what they think about some proposed changes, and ask them to keep it a secret. I honestly don't think any of them are gonna blab about it to the public if they asked them not to, and even if they do, that person would just look like a douche and you cut them out of the process from then on.
Or don't you think that teams c9 & tempo would make time to do a few scrims with a new unannounced hero in it for balance purposes? That's like 1 afternoon maybe.
It's not like they need a bunch of people to play test every change. Float some ideas past them or ask them to do a best of 5 with a new hero in it. It would help a lot, and I don't see how that's really hard to make happen.
Like they already have contact with all these players already, it wouldn't be hard to send a private message to dread or grubby or even like c9 or naventic, just ask them what they think about some proposed changes, and ask them to keep it a secret. I honestly don't think any of them are gonna blab about it to the public if they asked them not to, and even if they do, that person would just look like a douche and you cut them out of the process from then on.
Or don't you think that teams c9 & tempo would make time to do a few scrims with a new unannounced hero in it for balance purposes? That's like 1 afternoon maybe.
It's not like they need a bunch of people to play test every change. Float some ideas past them or ask them to do a best of 5 with a new hero in it. It would help a lot, and I don't see how that's really hard to make happen.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Xul is 10k already and in EU not nerfed yet.
He seems good but after playing Li Ming so much it's hard for me to feel vulnerable and play defensively.
He seems good but after playing Li Ming so much it's hard for me to feel vulnerable and play defensively.
Brawndo Addict
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Late to the party but taking Li Ming to 5 now that she's in the rotation and I cannot believe that level one talent used to be under 50% mana.
I'm at this weird point where I haven't played this game in a while and now I'm kind of afraid to jump back in. On the other hand I'm still watching a ton of HOTS so I know what I'm supposed to do in theory and I'm getting pretty good at recognizing mistakes and opportunities but I'm pretty sure once I'm back to playing myself I'll run around like an idiot again.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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TFW your opponents could have ended but were too scared to, giving you time to respawn and end yourself.
Yesterday though my team tried defending a 30 minute DK.
Yesterday though my team tried defending a 30 minute DK.
Ronabo
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I played her a couple of games and was like "holy shit!" "this is the nerfed version of her!"
Nah, it's like riding a bike. It all comes back pretty quickly.
Venus Van Dam
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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. However, my comment was regarding the QM experience, since she appears to be so OP that will be a little more difficult to make a team of 5 different characters, let alone a balanced team. Also, the feed festival of the first days will be something else...but that's a lesser issue, since I'm climbing the hero league ladder.
I'm just glad someone finally found Mankrik's wife.
Edit - Also, check that final headline on the right. 'The Cavalry is about to arrive'. That's a nice nod to Tracer being on her way (of course we knew that, but it's cute).
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I was only listening to the stream after leaving my comment.
No hard feelings.
No hard feelings.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Holy broodmother those heroics.
RumblingRosco
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Melee Assassin, right?
Seems fun.
Seems fun.
Venus Van Dam
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Indeed. I'm already in love with it. Also, looks like an interesting experience being targeted by the 1st ult.
Warrior. Tons of regen abilities.
RumblingRosco
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Oh.
Still fun.
Still fun.
Brawndo Addict
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I wonder if you can cast abilities and attack while being dragged?
Talents
Level One:
Enduring Swarm: Dark Swarm reduces damage from Abilities
Essence Devourer: Gather Regen Globes to gain Essence
Enhanced Agility: Collecting Essence increases move speed
Tissue Regeneration: Essences increase Health Regen permanently
Level Seven:
Feeding Frenzy: Basic Attacks reduce Drag cooldown
Constriction: Increases Drag duration
Symbiosis: Reduces Dark Swarm cooldown when you hit Heroes
One-Who-Collects: Increases Essence from Minions
Level Thirteen:
Swift Pursuit: Increases move speed in bushes
Ferocious Stalker: Brushstalker increases move speed
Whirling Dervish: Halves duration of disables during Dark Swarm
http://www.destructoid.com/zerg-terror-dehaka-confirmed-for-heroes-of-the-storm-349153.phtml
More pics at the bottom of that link
Level One:
Enduring Swarm: Dark Swarm reduces damage from Abilities
Essence Devourer: Gather Regen Globes to gain Essence
Enhanced Agility: Collecting Essence increases move speed
Tissue Regeneration: Essences increase Health Regen permanently
Level Seven:
Feeding Frenzy: Basic Attacks reduce Drag cooldown
Constriction: Increases Drag duration
Symbiosis: Reduces Dark Swarm cooldown when you hit Heroes
One-Who-Collects: Increases Essence from Minions
Level Thirteen:
Swift Pursuit: Increases move speed in bushes
Ferocious Stalker: Brushstalker increases move speed
Whirling Dervish: Halves duration of disables during Dark Swarm
http://www.destructoid.com/zerg-terror-dehaka-confirmed-for-heroes-of-the-storm-349153.phtml
More pics at the bottom of that link
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