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Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Rorschach said:
Actually, I didn't draft him for run stopping (he sux at it), I drafted him for cover skills. I was tired of constant TE drags and HB swings. At least now, even though he still won't cover the drag, he'll at least keep a decent pace with the TE. Plus, I was sorely lacking at the position I put him at. The reason I stop the run is mostly because of Morrison (not that fast) and my DL. Last season, I drafted a DT and this season I made moves for run stuffers. The only one on my DL that isn't a run defense specialist is Scott, but he holds his own.

Also, Mack was not just the fastest LB, he was the best LB period. He's PWilly's daddy.
I wanted to put Kassem at safety then get the best available offensive tackle with the next pick. LJ ended up taking the guy I was looking at. I got a safety but he didn't have a certain stat I was looking for.

I'd love to play against your new and improved D. I don't understand how EA could have botched this whole thing up so badly. :|
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
daw840 said:
Pretty much......If I were using a shitty team I would probably be alright with it, but there is NO reason that I can't win games with the team I have built. None.

Oh, there IS a reason. Same as my reason. Totally sucking it up, in terms of how we play. Face it, we're just not very good players.
 

Rorschach

Member
Lone, you're pretty good when you get into it and turn on your motor. The defense you built this season is just weaksauce, though. :(

Wellington said:
I wanted to put Kassem at safety then get the best available offensive tackle with the next pick. LJ ended up taking the guy I was looking at. I got a safety but he didn't have a certain stat I was looking for.

I'd love to play against your new and improved D. I don't understand how EA could have botched this whole thing up so badly. :|
You will see it if it lasts two more seasons!:lol

My biggest regret is not keeping Ellis.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Rorschach said:
Lone, you're pretty good when you get into it and turn on your motor. The defense you built this season is just weaksauce, though. :(


You will see it if it lasts two more seasons!:lol

My biggest regret is not keeping Ellis.


jacktear.gif
 

Rorschach

Member
I think it will be fierce when some of your younger players progress next season. And you'd probably need to switch schemes. :X

I'll tell you one thing, though: you should have never let Merriweather go. That dude is straight up broken in this game.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Rorschach said:
I think it will be fierce when some of your younger players progress next season. And you'd probably need to switch schemes. :X

I'll tell you one thing, though: you should have never let Merriweather go. That dude is straight up broken in this game.
If he is playing 3-4 he is definitely doing it wrong. Outside of Mayo the Pats have *ZERO* talent at LB.

Merriweather:

SPD - 90
ACC - 96
POW - 81
ZCV - 90
MCV - 78
PUR - 83
TAK - 75

Wow he is like a hybrid CB/LB/S. Best of all worlds.

Actually look at this comparison - Marquise Kassem:

SPD - 88
ACC - 93
POW - 63
ZCV - 82
MCV - 78
PUR - 86
TAK - 83

*sigh*

Kenny Phillips is better than Merriweather. :D I don't use him to his strengths tho. I might as well have another CB back there.
 

bluemax

Banned
LiveWire said:
Can you play around midnight tonight? I'm going out of town for a few days tomorrow night so I need to get this game in tonight or else the league will get held up waiting for me.

Midnight eastern? Yeah that should be easy enough.
 

bluemax

Banned

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Wellington said:
If he is playing 3-4 he is definitely doing it wrong. Outside of Mayo the Pats have *ZERO* talent at LB.


*sigh*

Nope, not playing the 3-4. Had to change that when I didn't have the LB's for it. Because of the change from the 3-4, I had expendable talent at the DLine, since it was almost all DT type players (Seymour, Wilfork, Warren). The Dline is still a work in progress, but I believe Barwin at least has the ability to get after the QB, and Axel can flip between DE and DT. Debating on putting Axel at DT besides Wilfork, and putting in either Guyton, Carter, or Feazel at that DE spot (all have good DE type ratings, similar to AD)

Was doing 46, but now, not really that sure. Pat's didn't have anyone else at LB when I started, except Mayo and AD. AD was getting old, and was falling, so I traded him. Lee Carter has alot of good ratings, but even after having a great year, had zero progression. Went out and got Feazel from CB3, and he had similar ratings to Carter. If they progress, good, but if they don't, I continue to be screwed there.

Of course I shouldn't have traded Merriweather, but it was after season 1, and I wasn't sure how long the franchise would last. He wasn't as good in Season 1, as he is now. So you're talking Hindsight.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Lonestar said:
Of course I shouldn't have traded Merriweather, but it was after season 1, and I wasn't sure how long the franchise would last. He wasn't as good in Season 1, as he is now. So you're talking Hindsight.
Well I didn't say it but still, can't trade young players like that. :(
 

Lonestar

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Wellington said:
Well I didn't say it but still, can't trade young players like that. :(

Like I said, Season 1, in the beginning of something we hadn't done before (Online franchises) New Grounds. I had 2 good, young FS's, him and Chung, and I went with the even younger guy, and I didn't fully investigate Chung. He's got some good stuff, but is hurting in the coverage ratings.

Chung
SPD - 85
ACC - 86
POW - 92
ZCV - 70
MCV - 54
PUR - 89
TAK - 83
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Lonestar said:
Like I said, Season 1, in the beginning of something we hadn't done before (Online franchises) New Grounds. I had 2 good, young FS's, him and Chung, and I went with the even younger guy, and I didn't fully investigate Chung. He's got some good stuff, but is hurting in the coverage ratings.

Chung
SPD - 85
ACC - 86
POW - 92
ZCV - 70
MCV - 54
PUR - 89
TAK - 83
*Drooooool*
 

Rorschach

Member
Meriweather is more of a FS anyway.


Wellington said:
*Drooooool*

The only reason Mitchell is even starting is: 96 POW (Hit Power)

He's got nothing else, but you better hurry up out of bounds before he ends your day. :p
 

LukeSmith

Member
Wellington said:
About people coming out in the Nickel to stop the run and the Nickel Odd Split BS, how is it far fetched? The top 4 rushing D's in our league are predicated on speed, in fact both Rors (who stole the guy I was going to take) and Luke (who stole another of my guys) have made it a point to get the fastest LBs over the past two drafts...

To be fair, I've really only drafted [and kept] two offensive players (benefit of playing as the Colts, I'm sure) that I've kept since the league started (Jimmy Manning and Cherche Le Femme) the rest of my picks have gone to shoring up my defense. I'm starting 3 rookies at DL this year, I've drafted 4 linebackers in 2 years (3 of them are getting significant playing time this year, and one of them (Campbell) I haven't figured out what to do with yet)

Year 1 Draft:
Mack Jackson JESUS
Prince Justin FS
Chad Campbell LB
Giovanni Girley RB
Lawrence Holmes SS
Jimmy Manning WR
Donfred Barnes CB/KR/PR

Year 2 draft:
Ono Randle RE
Raheem Bullock RE
Corey Kiolbassa (from Rors) LB
Dametric Barber DT
Taran Peaks LB
Cash Brown CB
Some QB I cut

I wanted Kassem, not for the speed as much as the coverage, he could've been an even better Mike in my D than Mack I think - Mack would've moved to the outside and been a big of a different type of player this season.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
LukeSmith said:
To be fair, I've really only drafted [and kept] two offensive players (benefit of playing as the Colts, I'm sure) that I've kept since the league started (Jimmy Manning and Cherche Le Femme) the rest of my picks have gone to shoring up my defense. I'm starting 3 rookies at DL this year, I've drafted 4 linebackers in 2 years (3 of them are getting significant playing time this year, and one of them (Campbell) I haven't figured out what to do with yet)

Year 1 Draft:
Mack Jackson JESUS
Prince Justin FS
Chad Campbell LB
Giovanni Girley RB
Lawrence Holmes SS
Jimmy Manning WR
Donfred Barnes CB/KR/PR

Year 2 draft:
Ono Randle RE
Raheem Bullock RE
Corey Kiolbassa (from Rors) LB
Dametric Barber DT
Taran Peaks LB
Cash Brown CB
Some QB I cut

I wanted Kassem, not for the speed as much as the coverage, he could've been an even better Mike in my D than Mack I think - Mack would've moved to the outside and been a big of a different type of player this season.
I traded up specifically to leapfrog you for Kassem. Rors of couse fucked everything up.

When do we box Rors!? I am cutting weight just for you, down 7 lbs already!
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Rorschach said:
Meriweather is more of a FS anyway.

Which is where my mistake truly lies. Not sure how his ratings would change on the position switch, but moving him, and keeping James Sanders for the 1 year. I didn't notice how slow of a DB he was (mid 70's SPD), and he declined a good bit the following year. Picked up a young, decent FS from Carolina, but wouldn't be as good Meriweather.

Trying to remember what I got for Meriweather. I know Ellis Hobbs. I believe I traded, because I didn't need safeties as much, I needed CB's. After season 1, I had shit, literal shit, for CB's. McAlister declinded alot, I believe Springs did too, or retired. I didn't have anyone except Butler, who was still green (though is blossoming now).

It's so strange, the difference in my defensive performance. Last season, I could stop the run, but couldn't even slow down passing attacks. Now, I'm in the top 5 in passing defense, and can't stop the run.
 

Rorschach

Member
Wellington said:
I traded up specifically to leapfrog you for Kassem. Rors of couse fucked everything up.

When do we box Rors!? I am cutting weight just for you, down 7 lbs already!
You told me prior to the draft that you were drafting for hit power. Kassem has none of it!

Lonestar said:
Which is where my mistake truly lies. Not sure how his ratings would change on the position switch, but moving him, and keeping James Sanders for the 1 year. I didn't notice how slow of a DB he was (mid 70's SPD), and he declined a good bit the following year. Picked up a young, decent FS from Carolina, but wouldn't be as good Meriweather.

Trying to remember what I got for Meriweather. I know Ellis Hobbs. I believe I traded, because I didn't need safeties as much, I needed CB's. After season 1, I had shit, literal shit, for CB's. McAlister declinded alot, I believe Springs did too, or retired. I didn't have anyone except Butler, who was still green (though is blossoming now).

It's so strange, the difference in my defensive performance. Last season, I could stop the run, but couldn't even slow down passing attacks. Now, I'm in the top 5 in passing defense, and can't stop the run.
His ratings should be good enough to not change or maybe even improve. Branch improves 1 point when I switch him to FS even though they call him a SS.

And yeah, you made the switch to a better pass defense, but sacrificed the run stopping power. I believe your division is one of the few that is run oriented, though. :X Mine too, that's why I wanted to shore up the front seven.
 

LiveWire

Member
Lonestar said:
It's so strange, the difference in my defensive performance. Last season, I could stop the run, but couldn't even slow down passing attacks. Now, I'm in the top 5 in passing defense, and can't stop the run.

I can't figure it out either. Season 1 I had the 2nd best passing defense by yards and points allowed behind Rors, then Season 2 I'm bottom 5. Kareem Moore (71 OVR) has more INTs (3) in 8 games this season than LaRon Landry (89 OVR) did in a season and a half on my team.
 

Lonestar

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Rorschach said:
You told me prior to the draft that you were drafting for hit power. Kassem has none of it!


His ratings should be good enough to not change or maybe even improve. Branch improves 1 point when I switch him to FS even though they call him a SS.

And yeah, you made the switch to a better pass defense, but sacrificed the run stopping power. I believe your division is one of the few that is run oriented, though. :X Mine too, that's why I wanted to shore up the front seven.

I still have ok run stopping in the middle, and warren and seymour had trouble on speed backs to the outside (gee, I believe the league is filled with those). Where I ran into trouble, is the McFadden's of the world. That are fast enough to the outside, but strong enough to bounce off tackles. That, and just straight up human error on my part. I'm king of grabbing another player to attempt a tackle...and instead, moving him out of the way, negating his ability to engage the runner.

Giving up 278 yards in 1 game, kind of inflates numbers a bit, though :(
 

Rorschach

Member
My big runs were to the inside, though. Between the tackles. I had no fear attacking the inside as long as I got away from Mayo. That crazy rookie Carter kept stopping me, but only after I would gain a good chunk... :lol
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
2 of those, I know I grabbed a Safety and did exactly what I've said, moved him out of the way.

This is week 1, so it's been awhile, but I believe you attacked the outside a decent bit, because I remember trying to have outside presence, to stop the outside runs, making the inside wearker. But I could be wrong.

You had 278 yards running, with 180 on 3 runs. 4.08 ypc without 3 runs, that I know I blundered on. Same way I blundered a Lynch run against the Bills.

I'd do ok in playcalling and GM stuff, but the problems come when I'm actually playing. It's why I usually stay to controlling DT's, less chance of screw ups.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
Lone... please stop giving me ammo.... you are my next game. You know I love to run the ball. 414 yards in my last two games. :|

I hope you are ready for the Jacobs/Brown/Bradshaw tri-force.
 

Smokey

Member
bluemax said:
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/arch...es-ea-sports-returns-to-nba-2k-franchise.aspx

The core community found 2K10 polarizing due to the early framerate issues and online failures. A poster on one renowned forum even called it “the video game scam of the year.” You fixed a lot of the issues in patches, but public perception can be tricky. Do you feel like NBA 2K11 has to be even better than most year-to-year iterations to convince the hardcore to return?

Like I said in the 2k10 thread, my work has been done.

Mission accomplished!

In other news...bye weeks suck. Oh well. At least I get to come back against the whores known as the Broncos that seem to be getting passed around to everybody :/
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Wellington said:
Lone... please stop giving me ammo.... you are my next game. You know I love to run the ball. 414 yards in my last two games. :|

I hope you are ready for the Jacobs/Brown/Bradshaw tri-force.

I'm just going to call the plays, and sit back and watch :p
 

LiveWire

Member
Lonestar said:
I'm just going to call the plays, and sit back and watch :p

Don't believe the hype. Jacobs goes down easier than a $2 whore with a flick of the right stick. Wellington was so scared of my run D he didn't even run ONCE in our last scrimmage!
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
This game is such bullshit.

I force a 3 and out to start the game, so of course on the punt return my man muffs it. Doesn't matter he is my #3 WR or anything. Then my starting HB goes out of the game for 3 quarters on his first carry from a normal hit. From that point I didn't really give a fuck. Just play for stats at that point. Lions are pretty much doomed as far as EA is concerned anyway.

356 yards for Stafford. THAT is what matters. Doing some calculations, I am going to need another 450 yard game or 2 somwhere in the season.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
LiveWire said:
Don't believe the hype. Jacobs goes down easier than a $2 whore with a flick of the right stick. Wellington was so scared of my run D he didn't even run ONCE in our last scrimmage!
:lol!! You know full well I was practicing my passing plays and trying out new ones.

It's not Jacobs you have to fear, it's Andre "The Giant" Brown
 

BigAT

Member
My defense continues to subscribe to the "bend, but don't break" philosophy. #14 in total offensive yards allowed per game but #3 in points allowed per game.
 
BigAT said:
My defense continues to subscribe to the "bend, but don't break" philosophy. #14 in total offensive yards allowed per game but #3 in points allowed per game.

looking at stats i'm pretty much the same deal #12 in total off yards all/g and #8 in pts all/g. If I could get better in the fourth quarter defense maybe i'd be higher in both.
165 total pts allowed, 77 of which came in the fourth quarter (47%).... ugh. Even worse is 47 of those 77 came in the last three games. Is anyone else this bad in the fourth??
 

TheCrow

Member
I think wellie also felt that his defense played worse in the second half. I think it might have to do with fatigue or opponents opening up their offense in desperation.
 

Rorschach

Member
Lonestar said:
2 of those, I know I grabbed a Safety and did exactly what I've said, moved him out of the way.

This is week 1, so it's been awhile, but I believe you attacked the outside a decent bit, because I remember trying to have outside presence, to stop the outside runs, making the inside wearker. But I could be wrong.

You had 278 yards running, with 180 on 3 runs. 4.08 ypc without 3 runs, that I know I blundered on. Same way I blundered a Lynch run against the Bills.

I'd do ok in playcalling and GM stuff, but the problems come when I'm actually playing. It's why I usually stay to controlling DT's, less chance of screw ups.
I ran inside almost all day. I ran a total of 3 outside runs. I have a few highlights at home, I think. I kept running at your DT (or was he a DE?) on the left side because you were controlling him and seemed to be playing the pass or something because the inside of him was wide open (plus the fact that Wilfork was on the other side most of the game!). McFadden went untouched most of the time until he hit the second level.

And, while 4.08 is still a good average, it's bogged down by the carries where I just ran it trying not to get a first down because I thought I'd get the POINTS BRIGADE on my ass due to the scoring in the first half.
 
TheCrow said:
I think wellie also felt that his defense played worse in the second half. I think it might have to do with fatigue or opponents opening up their offense in desperation.

hmm wellie how did you counter act this? I don't generally switch out players on defense, i move them around but i let the cpu handle taking out defensive players for the most part. That completely goes against what I do on offense, but whatever.
 

Striker

Member
Rorschach said:
Also, Mack was not just the fastest LB, he was the best LB period. He's PWilly's daddy.
Mack Jackson 88 speed, 89 agility, 91 acceleration
Josh Sneed 90 speed, 93 agility, 96 acceleration

:p

Speed isn't everything for stopping the run, but you do have to have the talent. I was able to contain LeRon James because my OLB's played well on containment, and my DE/ILB were strong in pursuit. D'Qwell Jackson only has mid 70's speed, but he was all over the field in both the SEA and KC games against James and Chapman.
 

LukeSmith

Member
Striker said:
Mack Jackson 88 speed, 89 agility, 91 acceleration
Josh Sneed 90 speed, 93 agility, 96 acceleration

:p

Speed isn't everything for stopping the run, but you do have to have the talent. I was able to contain LeRon James because my OLB's played well on containment, and my DE/ILB were strong in pursuit. D'Qwell Jackson only has mid 70's speed, but he was all over the field in both the SEA and KC games against James and Chapman.

I don't remember if Sneed was on the board when I picked - 5 - but I had Mack valued at 1 over everyone else.

Peaks 90 spd 90 agility 94 acc

I was scared off by Sneed's injury rating - not to mention enamored with Mack's tak/pow ratings.

Mack 97 tak, 99 pow, 95 inj, 93 stam
Sneed 86 tak, 82 pow, 62 inj, 92 stam
 

bluemax

Banned
Striker said:
Mack Jackson 88 speed, 89 agility, 91 acceleration
Josh Sneed 90 speed, 93 agility, 96 acceleration

:p

Speed isn't everything for stopping the run, but you do have to have the talent. I was able to contain LeRon James because my OLB's played well on containment, and my DE/ILB were strong in pursuit. D'Qwell Jackson only has mid 70's speed, but he was all over the field in both the SEA and KC games against James and Chapman.
Yeah I couldn't get to the edge at all. That mightve been more frustating than whoever I played that had a DT in my backfield every time I tried to pull.

I might have to switch offensive playbooks. I like the Pats short spread passing because I have some guys who can create after the catch but there is really only two run plays in most formations. Either a dive or power off tackle.
 

Striker

Member
LukeSmith said:
I don't remember if Sneed was on the board when I picked - 5 - but I had Mack valued at 1 over everyone else.

Peaks 90 spd 90 agility 94 acc

I was scared off by Sneed's injury rating - not to mention enamored with Mack's tak/pow ratings.

Mack 97 tak, 99 pow, 95 inj, 93 stam
Sneed 86 tak, 82 pow, 62 inj, 92 stam
You couldn't go wrong with either Jackson or Sneed, really.

I just wanted a guy who can cover and attack (both can), and valued Sneed slightly more.

Sneed was taken at #8 I believe, so he was gone before you had to choose at all. :p
 

LukeSmith

Member
Striker said:
You couldn't go wrong with either Jackson or Sneed, really.

I just wanted a guy who can cover and attack (both can), and valued Sneed slightly more.

Sneed was taken at #8 I believe, so he was gone before you had to choose at all. :p

I picked 5th ;b
 

daw840

Member
LOL, I am waiting at a Ford dealership right now posting on the public computer. They are running Windows 98......I haven't seen this shit for ages. Just thought I would let you guys know. Maybe next week I will post in the thread using smoke signals!
 

Striker

Member
Oh :lol

Well I was wrong. Still, in hindsight, I had Sneed targeted #1 on my board. I know for a fact Simms (DEN) and Mack were also in my top four choices. My #2 was LeRon James.
 

LJ11

Member
When I played against Sneed, he shut down the run on the left side of the field. He has good strength too, held the edge against my LT easily. Out of all the rookie LBs I played, thought he had the most impact.
 

Rorschach

Member
LJ11 said:
When I played against Sneed, he shut down the run on the left side of the field. He has good strength too, held the edge against my LT easily. Out of all the rookie LBs I played, thought he had the most impact.
Only the left side? What a chump. Jackson is king.

Striker said:
Mack Jackson 88 speed, 89 agility, 91 acceleration
Josh Sneed 90 speed, 93 agility, 96 acceleration

:p
Just proves my point. Wasn't even the fastest guy.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
sableholic said:
hmm wellie how did you counter act this? I don't generally switch out players on defense, i move them around but i let the cpu handle taking out defensive players for the most part. That completely goes against what I do on offense, but whatever.

Well I do not think that there is an overall fatigue counter like there was in the previous gen games. I think the only effect is if you have a long drive, then you or your opponent gets the ball back quickly, your guys will still be fatigued. There's a timer for sure, I think it's universal and it just dips into their STA ratings.

Giving up more points in the fourth comes down to two simple factors:

1) The guy trailing is trying to score as much and as fast as possible to comeback and win (duh)

2) You're not taking any risks and likely playing soft zones

I've given up 56 points in the fourth quarter of my 9 games, for a total of 6 PPG in the fourth and 14 of those were to CB yesterday.

I keep the pressure on in the fourth. I don't want anyone to have time to throw against me. That's one of the things I do. We can talk about other things privately if you want.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
ph33nix said:
I just realized you took Ginn out for 7 weeks AND Ronnie Brown for 6 weeks.

I hate you.
Yeah I did not hurt Ronnie.

Ginn on the other hand was all me.

And Frank Gore.

Tom Brady is next.
 
Wellington said:
Yeah I did not hurt Ronnie.

Ginn on the other hand was all me.

And Frank Gore.

Tom Brady is next.

in defense of gore this is the 2nd straight season that i have lost him to a season ending injury.

i say "season ending" in both instances but he could have technically come back for the wildcard round last year, and he can do the same this year if i make it!
 
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