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[Bania Gold]

. I see little incentive to buy.

Then don't.

That's fine. The exiting system is making 56 million gamers happy.

A product aimed at the masses would have had more than a quick 8 minute video.

Enjoy your current console.

Those who are happy to pay $700 will enjoy better looking and better performing games.

But to be fair with those raging, the line drawn keeps moving depending on the narrative.

It's ok to spend $2000-3000 dollars on a fancy tv to play your console but suddenly $700 is blasphemy?

At the end of the day vote with your wallet credit but don't be a dick wasting time creating stupid memes that prove nothing.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

The $700 price tag is even more daunting when you consider the additional cost of online services and the lack of a disc drive. This forces you to buy games at full price from the PSN store, even years after their release, while the same games are often half off at retail just six months post-launch. For instance, GOWR is still priced at $69.99 on the PSN store, whereas you can find it preowned on eBay for around $35.

Ever heard of waiting for a sale? i have a digital ps5 and i just wait for sales and the games i really want to play at launch wil be paid in full. But that happened two times up until now.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

When it sells out in a super fast fashion we will see sales are what matters.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I'm doing my part. Eat that Ass of Can Whooping

 

[KyoZz]

Why are you arguing if you have no interest in PS5 Pro?

Because it's a gaming forum to discuss gaming related things

Why are you always crying about prices anyway? Maybe you should find a different hobby, since you were even crying over €40.

It's a completely pointless product for enthusiasts and a higher price was expected.
Sure, the price is higher than I hoped for, but I'm willing to buy it for €800 all the same. So in that light, Idc about the price.

No need to be triggered as soon as someone doesn't agree with you my friend, we are just sharing different opinion. And as I already told you idc about your 40e for Concord.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

I think people would be more forgiving of the $699 price tag if the sku came with a disc drive.
The lack of disc drive for me is baffling.

No, most warriors have smelled the scent of victory with concord going offline and they feel they can say just about averything now. When it came with aan drive people would have wanted a choice, 1tb? Why not 2. Concord tax, internet is a Place to scream and kick. And so they will. Anybisy who Tjin’s different or positive about the pro is called a clown or dumb or a bootlicker.

 

[Kupfer]

Then don't.

That's fine. The exiting system is making 56 million gamers happy.

A product aimed at the masses would have had more than a quick 8 minute video.

Enjoy your current console.

Those who are happy to pay $700 will enjoy better looking and better performing games.

But to be fair with those raging, the line drawn keeps moving depending on the narrative.

It's ok to spend $2000-3000 dollars on a fancy tv to play your console but suddenly $700 is blasphemy?

At the end of the day vote with your wallet credit but don't be a dick wasting time creating stupid memes that prove nothing.

It’s nice that you’re so composed and not easily rattled. If everyone thought and acted like this, the PS5 Pro would cost €2000.
Jokes aside, a little shitstorm can’t hurt and serves as a signal to Sony, although it’s not a binding one. In the end, what matters to Sony are the sales figures. But the whole drama is a clear indicator that Sony has missed the mark here and annoyed their fanbase.

And it’s not just the price of the PS5 Pro; if you’ve been following Sony or PlayStation this generation, you quickly notice that they’ve strayed significantly off course and are starting to revert to the 'arrogant Sony' of the PS3 release days.

 

[Roberts]

As someone who has distanced myself from Playstation brand over the years, because their content doesn't really interest me, I still find it a bit baffling that this totally optional product has been met with so much vitriol. Everything we heard so far sounds like a good upgrade with noticeable improvements and If I would get pissed off about anything, it would be the ridiculous price difference between US and EU.

 

[rickybooby87]

So 48000 clowns are gonna buy it?

Me

Bc

 

[Killjoy-NL]

No need to be triggered as soon as someone doesn't agree with you my friend, we are just sharing different opinion. And as I already told you idc about your 40e for Concord.

I'm not triggered at all. Just wondering.
Because you seem concerned with my spending:

But don't come crying when the PS6 is 800 dollar without disk reader.

 

[notseqi]

I'd also point out that in the PC space, paying an extra $300 for a GPU that effectively doubles your expected framerate would be considered a bargain! Oh and throws in an extra Tb of SSd storage as a bonus.

Pretty insulting example of PC bro double-standards if you ask me.

you think in single-digit TBs and quality/fps tied to whatever the developers offer you
we are not the same

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Incredible! this shows that the $700 price tag is a minor issue and hardly a deterrence to the console fans

So 48000 clowns are gonna buy it?

Lets call people clowns?

Way to go Sony, screw yourself without any competition in sight.

Don't buy it?

ArtHands with yet another banger of a disingenuous clown thread.

Yes

He's being sarcastic.

Post history says otherwise

 

[Fahdis]

Lets call people clowns?

Yes, I'm one myself. But with morals.

 

[Majukun]

No, most warriors have smelled the scent of victory with concord going offline and they feel they can say just about averything now. When it came with aan drive people would have wanted a choice, 1tb? Why not 2. Concord tax, internet is a Place to scream and kick. And so they will. Anybisy who Tjin’s different or positive about the pro is called a clown or dumb or a bootlicker.

oh come on.
we can debate if the price is jusdtified, but no disk drive has absolutely no justification other than putting their foot on the door for an all digital future...and user should not talke it if they don't want it and complain (and hopefully vote with their wallet by not buying it unlike the famousd cod image)

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Yes, I'm one myself. But with morals.

I am buying a Pro.
I'm a clown that don't have morals because of this?

 

[Fahdis]

I am buying a Pro.
I'm a clown that don't have morals because of this?

Why would you intentionally buy an OVERPRICED POS machine thats literally just upscaling your games? That's all from my end. You can do whatever you want, its your money. This isn't any different than telling corpos that you can loot gullible people. I don't see this as any different as buying Horse DLC and going down a dark path of expense in the future. Why are you buying the Pro?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

oh come on.
we can debate if the price is jusdtified, but no disk drive has absolutely no justification other than putting their foot on the door for an all digital future...and user should not talke it if they don't want it and complain (and hopefully vote with their wallet by not buying it unlike the famousd cod image)

Tbf you can buy an optional disc-drive and if they included a disc-drive, they probably would've charged more.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

As someone who has distanced myself from Playstation brand over the years, because their content doesn't really interest me, I still find it a bit baffling that this totally optional product has been met with so much vitriol. Everything we heard so far sounds like a good upgrade with noticeable improvements and If I would get pissed off about anything, it would be the ridiculous price difference between US and EU.

Some people have it in their head that they can have a box that matches a 4070 without having to pay for it.

Maybe Sony should have stayed out of the graphics race? Nintendo games look like shit and nobody cares.

 

[Little Mac]

I'm mature enough to admit that I want the Pro, but at that price I'd feel irresponsible in buying one. Sony needs to do better from a value proposition stand point. Be it by including the drive or at least a couple of downloadable first party games that really takes advantage of the Pro's new tech.

I also don't think Sony did a good job presenting this device. Youtube is a terrible format to discuss and showcase video and image quality upgrades. I hope in the next few days they release some uncompressed video that we and DF can dissect.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

oh come on.
we can debate if the price is jusdtified, but no disk drive has absolutely no justification other than putting their foot on the door for an all digital future...and user should not talke it if they don't want it and complain (and hopefully vote with their wallet by not buying it unlike the famousd cod image)

Disagree as you can add a drive unlike another companies $600 option.
With all the Pro's power advantages and PlayStation ecosystem.. (even though both are overpriced) it's a far better option.

 

[SJRB]

I'm still shocked at how bad this reveal was. Just an absolute fumble across the board. How did they think this was going to land, exactly?


- Show zero new games. None
- O look, it's four year old The Last of Us 2, AGAIN
- O look, it's five year old Ratchett & Clank, AGAIN
- O look, it's two year old Horizon, AGAIN
- the comparison video has people freeze frames to notice any upgrade
- "stand sold separately" was a catastrophic mistake because they showed the special metal finish stand. Of course the Pro comes with a default plastic stand but now everyone thinks this fucking thing won't even have a stand. But still, you couldn't even be bothered to include this thing that costs like 5 dollars to produce to your prestige "pro" model?
- no disc drive. Not even a mention of a disc drive. Zero info on what you're supposed to do is you have disc games. Well guess what, you have to buy a separate one for 100 euros
- mention an incredibly meagre list of games that will harness the power of the Pro, be super vague about what that even entails
- the insane price point when the value proposition is ridiculous right after dropping the bomb that it comes without disc drive


So that's 800 euros for the console plus 100 euros for the disc drive, are you serious? Unbelievably bad move from Sony. If they would've shown one new game, just ONE game that would make people go "wow, cool this might be worth the huge investment" then the vibe would've been way different.

 

[Cakeboxer]

So 48000 clowns are gonna buy it?

Nope, i also like Ferrari or Lamborghini videos and don't buy them.

 

[Majukun]

Tbf you can buy an optional disc-drive and if they included a disc-drive, they probably would've charged more.

they could also have given the choice and make two models like for the original ps5, mass producing makes costs lower so it would have probably costed less than the combo pro+ additional driver

still looks like a push for all digital IMHO, but they are going gradually after it blew in MS face last time

 

[Clear]

you think in single-digit TBs and quality/fps tied to whatever the developers offer you
we are not the same

You're right, I was a dev.

I found whale-hunting distasteful though, so I quit.

Reality remains that some people are willing to pay a lot of money for their toys, be it a $2k GPU that they don't really need, or spending a fortune on cosmetics for their GaaS of choice. In the context of that, a moderately more expensive console seems like a complete and utter nothing-burger to me.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Why would you intentionally buy an OVERPRICED POS machine thats literally just upscaling your games? That's all from my end. You can do whatever you want, its your money. This isn't any different than telling corpos that you can loot gullible people. I don't see this as any different as buying Horse DLC and going down a dark path of expense in the future. Why are you buying the Pro?

Wanting to play the games I play enhanced is a luxury and luxuries don't always come cheap.

It's far from a POS.

 

[Physiognomonics]

SIX HUNDRED NINETY NINE DOLLARS! NO DISC! NO VERTICAL STAND!

You just need a second job.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

they could also have given the choice and make two models like for the original ps5, mass producing makes costs lower so it would have probably costed less than the combo pro+ additional driver

still looks like a push for all digital IMHO, but they are going gradually after it blew in MS face last time

Not disagreeing there.

I did expect 2 different SKUs, as did pretty much everyone.
Was surprised to see it's just one and tbh I initally thought it was just the disc-model at €799.

 

[kruis]

What people fail to realize is that this is more or less the exact same reaction to the PS4 Pro which must have been profitable as it got a successor in this console, and while this thing should have come with the stand AT minimum, the forum reaction is very much the same seriously read it, it's funny how it Parelle's, though they skimped on the coverage this time, and showing amazing looking games with an improvement true, but marginal at best, they should have shown the actual improvements and extras rather than focusing mostly on PSSR

Nonsense. The PS4 Pro cost $399 when it launched in Q4 2016. That was the same exact price as the regular PS4 when it launched in Q 2013 and the whole world of gaming rejoiced at that price.

The PS4 Pro was excellent value for money, that's absolutely not the case with the PS5 Pro. A European launch PS5 Disc Edition (499 euro) is almost half the price as the PS5 Pro with added disc drive and a stand (950 euro).

 

[TheKratos]

Wait the X is 600 bux!? Now I understand why pro is 700.

 

[Doggyred]

Ever heard of waiting for a sale? i have a digital ps5 and i just wait for sales and the games i really want to play at launch wil be paid in full. But that happened two times up until now.

Even with sales the digital copies don't go as low as a retail copy most of time. I could also sale that physical copy and put it towards another game.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm doing my part. Eat that Ass of Can Whooping

In the time it took you to dislike the video, open up neogaf, and then @me in a post I already added 500 likes to the video

Bitch

 

[PeteBull]

Can someone explain to me why the price is such a problem when it's literally only $100 more than the 2TB Xbox Series X?

That 2tb series x is wont sell simply, compare ps5pr0 to similary specced pc and there is barely any difference in cost, and yup u gotta get discrdive or sony will fk u in the ass with those overpriced digital only games.

 

[ManaByte]

Can someone explain to me why the price is such a problem when it's literally only $100 more than the 2TB Xbox Series X?

The 2TB XSX is a limited edition with a disc drive, and not a replacement for the existing model. Limited edition means you won't see it around long. PS5 Pros will be gathering dust in the warehouse.

 

[Moses85]

Pricedrop

 

[Loxus]

The hurtful thing is they didn't even include the stand.

 

[Eimran]

How many Dislikes have now?

130k with me now.

 

[DanielG165]

You literally will have to pay $800 to get a “maxed out” PS5 Pro, with the stand and disk drive, and more in other countries. That’s ridiculous. You could, unless you’re a huge PlayStation fan, or just don’t like PC gaming, which is fine, either buy or build yourself a very respectable/strong one for not THAT much more.

 

[GHG]

Pricedrop

It's more likely they just bundle in the stand and/or disk drive than drop the price.

Not that either being added would move the needle for me anyway.

This isn't a price issue as far as I'm concerned, it's a value one, and for me it's a product that they've failed to demonstrate the value of.

 

[Ozriel]

But to be fair with those raging, the line drawn keeps moving depending on the narrative.

It's ok to spend $2000-3000 dollars on a fancy tv to play your console but suddenly $700 is blasphemy?

At the end of the day vote with your wallet credit but don't be a dick wasting time creating stupid memes that prove nothing.

What a weird point to make as if people don’t have extremely angry reactions whenever Nvidia raises the prices for their GPUs, for example.

People don’t get mad paying for what they see as value for money. I remember how many people were happy to pay $1500 for an RTX 4090, but raged at the $1200 RTX 4080.

VALUE is the keyword here.

 

[Z O N E]

Never knew who this guy was till I checked him out.

For those of you who didnt watch it, it is 100% spot on. And more importantly, watch the 5:00 mark I linked below in that vid. LOL

I think another crazy part in the video, is where Cerny is speaking and he goes:

"Another way to compare performances is to compare PS5 Pro to PS5, both of which TARGETS 60 frames per second".

This is going to be another console where developers don't give a shit about FPS and will just up the resolution and graphics.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

What a weird point to make as if people don’t have extremely angry reactions whenever Nvidia raises the prices for their GPUs, for example.

People don’t get mad paying for what they see as value for money. I remember how many people were happy to pay $1500 for an RTX 4090, but raged at the $1200 RTX 4080.

VALUE is the keyword here.

Value is subjective though.

 

[Toots]

don't be a dick wasting time creating stupid memes that prove nothing.

Ok so we ban the memes on this videogame forum and the only thing left is endless arguing.
You are happy in your "no fun" zone and everyone else is miserable.
Now what ?

 

[ozz ex machina]

I'd be laughing so hard at all this if GTA 6 was coming on PC the same release date. Sold my PS5 last year, planned to get a pro for GTA 6 then sell again. But this is just dogshit. Will xbox be releasing a competing pro?

 

[DenchDeckard]

I'm still shocked at how bad this reveal was. Just an absolute fumble across the board. How did they think this was going to land, exactly?


- Show zero new games. None
- O look, it's four year old The Last of Us 2, AGAIN
- O look, it's five year old Ratchett & Clank, AGAIN
- O look, it's two year old Horizon, AGAIN
- the comparison video has people freeze frames to notice any upgrade
- "stand sold separately" was a catastrophic mistake because they showed the special metal finish stand. Of course the Pro comes with a default plastic stand but now everyone thinks this fucking thing won't even have a stand. But still, you couldn't even be bothered to include this thing that costs like 5 dollars to produce to your prestige "pro" model?
- no disc drive. Not even a mention of a disc drive. Zero info on what you're supposed to do is you have disc games. Well guess what, you have to buy a separate one for 100 euros
- mention an incredibly meagre list of games that will harness the power of the Pro, be super vague about what that even entails
- the insane price point when the value proposition is ridiculous right after dropping the bomb that it comes without disc drive


So that's 800 euros for the console plus 100 euros for the disc drive, are you serious? Unbelievably bad move from Sony. If they would've shown one new game, just ONE game that would make people go "wow, cool this might be worth the huge investment" then the vibe would've been way different.

Seriously, Not even apple would havea "pro" device that has less features than the standard Iphone that launched 4 years before. No Stand or Disk drive is an absolute joke.

In the time it took you to dislike the video, open up neogaf, and then @me in a post I already added 500 likes to the video

Bitch

FFS, I simply can not compete with your diabolical evil!

You are the master!

 

[Mephisto40]

The dislike button is basically a "I can't afford that" button

 

[Little Mac]

Currently

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[Morrie’s wig shop]

This thread is great, it gives us a glimpse at the posters who will
reverse cowboy any cock Sony puts in front of them.

 

[VolticArchangel]

I'm glad that everywhere on the internet, the community is pushing back against Sony's bullshit.

Though they DGAF about the reception because of minimal competition in the power space, they need this reality check, especially before the PS6 in November 2027, and most of all, even though this console is targeted towards the 15% of the people who bought the PS4 Pro.

Get fucked, Sony.

 

[StereoVsn]

Nonsense. The PS4 Pro cost $399 when it launched in Q4 2016. That was the same exact price as the regular PS4 when it launched in Q 2013 and the whole world of gaming rejoiced at that price.

The PS4 Pro was excellent value for money, that's absolutely not the case with the PS5 Pro. A European launch PS5 Disc Edition (499 euro) is almost half the price as the PS5 Pro with added disc drive and a stand (950 euro).

PS4 Pro was also roughly 2x on GPU side and had higher clocked CPU. All for extra $100.

It made a lot more sense to buy and it still only sold 20% of the units when it was released (from that point forward). PS5 Pro is a lot more expensive for a lot less power in comparison.

 

[Fahdis]

Wanting to play the games I play enhanced is a luxury and luxuries don't always come cheap.

It's far from a POS.

Which games are you playing outside of Times exclusives that aren't already on PC?