Bam Bam Baklava
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Bahhhhhh... Fair enough.Related to that, actually - when will the last polls drop? I assume one or two will drop Monday?
Mostly Monday, maybe some on the morning of the election.
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Mostly Monday, maybe some on the morning of the election.
Let's dispel this notion that Republicans would have recognized the legitimacy of a Clinton victory even if her opponent was Jeb, Rubio or Kasich. It's true Trump is an especially bad candidate but it wasn't accident he became the nominee - the blame lies squarely on the Republican party. Furthermore, you can be sure if Clinton was running against this "perfect Republican candidate" and won, the Republican party would have just claimed that person was a loser too and that they knew said candidate had no chance. "Clinton would have lost if it was anybody else" is just what Republicans like to tell themselves to feel better and abdicate blame for the rise of Trump. Not that I disagree the race would likely be closer with another adversary but that's not the same as "layup for the Republicans"
There has been, but very minimal, and mostly from the against side for marijuana and pro side for the death penalty.
The Prop 64 (marijuana) campaign has focused more on GOTV and less traditional campaigning, knowing that the type of voters they could convince and target through traditional TV ads are very easy to scare. And so far, it's worked.
What has helped is that the anti-Prop 64 coalition isn't very coordinated. Mostly just the private prison industry and a few law enforcement groups or tough on crime groups, but they've lost a ton of sway in California in recent years. The Bernie Sanders coalition has also latched unto this fiercely and has even energized more progressives and Democrats compared to other states, along with having a ton of other progressive measures on the ballot and having two Democratic candidates for Senator. Republicans in California practically have very little reason to go out and vote, unless they're Trump supporters, and maybe not even them anymore.
Nate Silver actually tweeted about this today, that Hillary's numbers in California are improving relative to the rest of the country, and that is increasing her chances of winning the popular vote but not the EV. It used to be Trump who was the favorite to have that outcome.
God, give me boring... I want to play Civ VI, but I can't... Stop... Reading... PoliGaf.
Good news about polls - I'm not stressing particularly, but I am very curious.
Cool cool. Thanks.
RastaMentality
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I'm actually slightly nervous about the death penalty! i hope liberals make the right choice.
Don't jinx it... But yeah, it's one of the few states where Hillary and the Dems are overperforming 2012, which is crazy considering that Nevada and Iowa were considered Trump's strongest states just a few months ago.
It now looks like Hillary's toughest state will be Ohio (although early voting is picking up there for Dems too) because Obama won it by just 2.5 points, and Iowa (but she has a cushion there. She can do worse than Obama in 2012 and still win).
I read up on that early vote analysis from the Huffington Post and other places, and Florida also still looks good, North Carolina holding on (Dems can't slack off there, tho), and Colorado too.
What are they trying to change about it? A Ban?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Alucard defending Russian war crimes, lololol.
Why do these people feel the need to lick Putin's asshole just because their Dear Leader loves Putin? Have some self-respect. You may want to get all brown people out of the country, but at least stop yourself from rimming Putin just because Trump likes him.
Why do these people feel the need to lick Putin's asshole just because their Dear Leader loves Putin? Have some self-respect. You may want to get all brown people out of the country, but at least stop yourself from rimming Putin just because Trump likes him.
maquiladora
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People who worship at the altar of Wikileaks and get all their news from RT and other "alt" outlets that confirm their own biases tend to have a worldview that is at best detached from reality. A big overlap with Trump supporters there too.
RastaMentality
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One proposition bans the death penalty. the other republican sponsored one expedites it and shortens the appeals process by adding deadlines and such. propositions suck.
cartoon_soldier
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NC early voting data does not match the polls. This is a bit strange.
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between a quark and a baryon
How is it different?
cartoon_soldier
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Republicans are performing better in EV compared to 2012.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Common Core was one of Trump's big issues to start the campaign and he constantly complained about it in the primaries.
However, Trump clearly has no idea what Common Core is and has yet to have a single intelligible or accurate statement about the standards.
We're 8 days away from a presidential nominee having spent 18 months bashing something while showing no indication that he knows what he's bashing. That's just so impressive.
This is my favorite tweet about Common Core.
https://twitter.com/dmckinney218/status/786550642844336129
It's amazing in every way.
However, Trump clearly has no idea what Common Core is and has yet to have a single intelligible or accurate statement about the standards.
We're 8 days away from a presidential nominee having spent 18 months bashing something while showing no indication that he knows what he's bashing. That's just so impressive.
This is my favorite tweet about Common Core.
https://twitter.com/dmckinney218/status/786550642844336129
It's amazing in every way.
It's not, considering they actively attacked AA EV.
cartoon_soldier
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Yup that's the reason. Hopefully Sunday data is good for Dems.
Spoiled Milk
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They're trying to take our right to gut pedos and hang them by their own entrails.
But mah guns!?
Aaron Strife
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Damn shame that PPP is going private polls only for the last week of the election. The best part of 2012/2014 was them swinging through every state that was even remotely close.
Conservatives, particularly religious ones think they are losing a culture war.
Imagine if the youth were conservative and when in power they would ban gay marriage. Imagine if the younger generation was more accepting of repealing the Voting Rights act, while upholding Citizens United in court as well as in spirit. A liberal's nightmare. This is what they are going through.
They are under constant stress. They think the country is being taken away from them, that people are committing sin en masse and that the Democrats are destroying religion one four year term at a time.
Liberals have a lot more to lose than conservatives right now; a single Republican president could set us back decades.
I came of age during the Bush years and that was what made me decide that the mission of my life would be to destroy religion one four year term at a time. I'm concerned about these younger generations who won't have any memory of a Republican president, no frame of reference to understand how bad it really is.
cartoon_soldier
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It would have already come out if it was dropping Monday morning.
I agree now, there is no oppo. Just hope HRC campaign finishes strong.
cartoon_soldier
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I don't think continuing to attack Comey/FBI is a good plan. Turn focus back on Trump.
Officerrob
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Morning Joe madness time
sazzy
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its funny lol
-edit its pretty balanced right now since mika is just recapping the facts ...
wait for the punditry lol
cartoon_soldier
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Since they have a warrant now, it shouldn't take them a long time to see if any of those emails were event sent by HRC.
Officerrob
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Not getting any info before the election
sazzy
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I would expect some sort of a statement from Comey, since his own peers are throwing him under the bus now.
Officerrob
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Apparently every battleground state is tied, so says Joe Scarborough
Right, but would Hillary getting indicted actually be enough to make that happen?
sazzy
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and dems nominating hillary is just as bad as repubs nominating donald, according to mika
Officerrob
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Morning Joe having Kellyanne Conway and Trey Gowdy on, because of course they are
That's the problem here. By this happening it's gonna be impossible for all the hysteria to die down and Dems across the board just shifting all their focus back to Trump. This changed the dynamic and it makes them have to constanty call out Comey and try to go against Trump at the same time. It's messy and it sucks
I thought Dems were crushing the early vote in NC right now?
Officerrob
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Her presidency would bascialy be over before it started
Yes, GA, AZ, IA, and Ohio. Oh and FL.
The timeframe alone is basically impossible.
But under this fantasy scenario Obama wouldn't pardon her and we'd probably have President Kaine.
Officerrob
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Morning Joe is basically Fox and Friends at this point
Exactly
I don't think this is about Hillary being president. No serious republican operator wants Trump as president. This is about making the race closer, ensuring the house stays republican and hopefully the senate as well.
It's appalling and disgusting, and Comey should be hounded out of office for interfering in an election this way. But I don't think the plan is to stop Hillary, it's to stop her winning bigly.
It's appalling and disgusting, and Comey should be hounded out of office for interfering in an election this way. But I don't think the plan is to stop Hillary, it's to stop her winning bigly.
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