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PoliGAF 2016 |OT14| Attention NV shoppers, democracy is on sale in aisle 4!

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sphagnum

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Speaking as a Black person, if you somehow look at both Trump and Hillary, think that "both sides are the same" and choose not to go out a vote, then you need to go kick rocks for all of eternity. I got no time for special snowflakes with no ambition nor the drive to do something about.

I don't disagree that she's the better of the two. I'm just saying what I think the truth of the situation is regarding why there is lower turnout.
 
I would find it kind of hard to believe that millennial minorities not showing up is the sole reason that minority numbers would be underperforming.
They're part of it.
Also she's not Obama.
Also millennials are still crap.

On your other point about how unfavourable she is.

Needs elaboration.
Because you know what drives down her favourability rating?
Men.
White men.
Straight white men.
 
On the plus side, we're probably a few more days of decent early voting in Nevada from the state literally being decided. Even now, it's just mathematically possible for Trump to recover, not plausibly possible.
 

Boke1879

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I don't disagree that she's the better of the two. I'm just saying what I think the truth of the situation is regarding why there is lower turnout.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not buying it. Hillary and the dem party has thrown every live branch to most groups. If people don't want to vote simply because they don't like Hillary then a ghost of everyone who's died for woman, and minorities to vote should slap the hell out of them.
 
So an amazing thread got locked by ModBot, who suggested posting it here instead. Since the OP hasn't done so yet, I'm going to:

Empyrean Heaven said:
So I was taking my daughter around Trick or Treating, her first time. We came to a house where the person, rather than candy, was giving out Trump buttons and bumper stickers. After they gave the candy to me, she asked me if I was voting for Trump. Rather than ignoring her, like I should have, I responded, "no." She told me "well, say goodbye to your little one, because you're going to jail for a long time for aiding and abetting a known fugitive."

I ignored her and just kept walking. But now that I'm home, I can't help but worry as a concerned parent. If by some stretch of the imagination that Trump wins the election and Hillary does go to jail, could the aiding and abetting laws therein include anyone who has endorsed, supported, or possibly even voted for her? I mean, it would take a madman to prosecute and jail nearly half the country...and that's exactly who now has a good chance of winning the election.
From http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1304543
 

sazzy

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I can hope that this might just about do it for North Carolina's Senate race.

Anyone know what kind of media play is it getting there?

CNN just posted this in last half hour I think.

Wait for it.

Hope it doesn't get lost in the November surprise oppo hoppo droppo.
 
NY Times on the state of the race post-Comeygate

Highlights:

  • Clinton’s lead over Trump has contracted modestly, but Clinton is still a safe bet to win
  • The Comey news has caused Mrs. Clinton’s most casual supporters to drift away.
  • Optimism about gaining ground in places like OH and IA are fading
  • The Comey news has potentially hurt Democrats in their bid to gain the Senate
  • NC is essentially Safe D — Democratic and Republican internal polling has Clinton ahead.
  • Trump has no chance to win PA, CO, VA, or NH.
  • Wisconsin Senate is getting closer.
I think 300+ EVs for Hillary is all but guaranteed, we just need to make sure to get the Senate too. Even if it's a 50-50 tie I think that would be enough to get a Supreme Court justice (perhaps I'm being too naive or optimistic but I really don't think the Republicans would block Garland from the minority, they have to know how bad that would look after months of "Well the next president should decide" and there are enough senators like Flake, Graham and Collins in the party to make it happen without nuking it) and immigration reform (Hillary said she has 60 votes for it right now). Maybe some big tax/infrastructure deal with Ryan would make for a pretty productive 100 days I think.
 
Sure they do. But we're not talking about them right now.
Well, you seemed to be implying that net negative favourability among black people is depressing her turnout. Except she doesn't have poor favourability with them.

She has an 80% favorable rating with black people, something like net +70.

So if we're talking about men. White men. Straight white men. Then yes, we can talk about how dim views of her are the root cause. Or the root root cause of why they don't like this nasty woman.

But it doesn't make sense wrt black turnout.
 
They're part of it.
Also she's not Obama.
Also millennials are still crap.

On your other point about how unfavourable she is.

Needs elaboration.
Because you know what drives down her favourability rating?
Men.
White men.
Straight white men.

The International Left is intent on committing suicide and riding the Corbyn-Sanders train to irrelevance. Instead of learning how to coalition-build like Obama, or even the Clintons, they've chosen this moment to search for purity.

The fact that Black women, the core of the modern Dem base, will do the heavy lifting, while Sanders' army is busy being bummed that Bernie and Jill are useless, must sting. Their inability to even stop Wasserman-Schultz from winning her primary is further evidence of how inept their "revolution" was/is.

American-Socialist tears sustain my dark soul.
 
NY Times on the state of the race post-Comeygate

Highlights:

  • Clinton’s lead over Trump has contracted modestly, but Clinton is still a safe bet to win
  • The Comey news has caused Mrs. Clinton’s most casual supporters to drift away.
  • Optimism about gaining ground in places like OH and IA are fading
  • The Comey news has potentially hurt Democrats in their bid to gain the Senate
  • NC is essentially Safe D — Democratic and Republican internal polling has Clinton ahead.
  • Trump has no chance to win PA, CO, VA, or NH.
  • Wisconsin Senate is getting closer.
I think 300+ EVs for Hillary is all but guaranteed, we just need to make sure to get the Senate too. Even if it's a 50-50 tie I think that would be enough to get a Supreme Court justice (perhaps I'm being too naive or optimistic but I really don't think the Republicans would block Garland from the minority, they have to know how bad that would look after months of "Well the next president should decide" and there are enough senators like Flake, Graham and Collins in the party to make it happen without nuking it) and immigration reform (Hillary said she has 60 votes for it right now). Maybe some big tax/infrastructure deal with Ryan would make for a pretty productive 100 days I think.
If we get to 50 Senators, Daddy Kaine would be able to cast the tiebreaker.

Not getting to at least 50 would be an utter disaster.
 
NY Times on the state of the race post-Comeygate

Highlights:

  • Clinton’s lead over Trump has contracted modestly, but Clinton is still a safe bet to win
  • The Comey news has caused Mrs. Clinton’s most casual supporters to drift away.
    [*]Optimism about gaining ground in places like OH and IA are fading
    [*]The Comey news has potentially hurt Democrats in their bid to gain the Senate
  • NC is essentially Safe D — Democratic and Republican internal polling has Clinton ahead.
  • Trump has no chance to win PA, CO, VA, or NH.
  • Wisconsin Senate is getting closer.
I think 300+ EVs for Hillary is all but guaranteed, we just need to make sure to get the Senate too. Even if it's a 50-50 tie I think that would be enough to get a Supreme Court justice (perhaps I'm being too naive or optimistic but I really don't think the Republicans would block Garland from the minority, they have to know how bad that would look after months of "Well the next president should decide" and there are enough senators like Flake, Graham and Collins in the party to make it happen without nuking it) and immigration reform (Hillary said she has 60 votes for it right now). Maybe some big tax/infrastructure deal with Ryan would make for a pretty productive 100 days I think.

I can't help but feel disheartened at reading those.
 
I can't believe there are actually people that looked at the literal nothing that got announced and decided nah I'm going to stay home/vote for Trump.

*sigh*
 

sphagnum

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[*]The Comey news has caused Mrs. Clinton’s most casual supporters to drift away.

This is so dumb

Well, you seemed to be implying that net negative favourability among black people is depressing her turnout. Except she doesn't have poor favourability with them.

She has an 80% favorable rating with black people, something like net +70.

I don't think she has a high unfavorability rating with minorities overall, I just think that it's probably the case that those who dislike her more actively dislike her since she is often a polarizing figure in general. That may prevent them from showing up to vote for her.

Maybe I'm going too much off anecdotal experience. I work in a highly diverse environment. Most of my coworkers are from Philly and Trenton. I don't know many people voting for Hillary out of excitement except for an older white lady and an older black lady. I do know a lot of minorities in my office who are voting for Hillary out of hatred for Trump and a lot of other minorities who just aren't voting because they hate her too. This seems to apply more to the Puerto Ricans in the office than my black coworkers, but it feels very different from how everyone thinks of Obama, who is beloved by everyone except my Republican coworkers who are willing to talk politics.
 
Hillary's emails have been investigated 10000x more than Dennis Hastert raping four children and Tom DeLay probably knowing about it and doing nothing.

That's just so impressive.
 

Teggy

Member
I don't get it, what is the thought process that leads a person to go
Voting for Hillary -> more emails found somewhere -> not voting for Hillary
 

Hopfrog

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Anyone who changes their mind now, because of the Comey thing, is brutally stupid. Feel no need to be diplomatic about it.
 
Anyone who changes their mind now, because of the Comey thing, is brutally stupid. Feel no need to be diplomatic about it.

Nah, mine hasn't changed about that. It was almost the dumbassery of Brazile. I think it was just stupid as hell for her to do it. There was nothing to gain from telling Clinton what questions were going to be asked. It was a dumb thing to do for absolutist nothing. I have cast my vote for Hillary and I stand by it, but man the Brazile situation was just so senseless. It was so stupid that I couldn't believe it happened.
 
Thinking more about this doesn't it seem weird that Russia is just mysteriously doing this for the lulz against the democrats to undermine our elections? I wonder how these FBI leaks came to that conclusion?

Different factions leaking conflicting information if you ask me.
 

Dierce

Member
I'm just fucking sick of how republicans get away with everything. Is it just the natural order of our universe? Being evil is just easier and reaps more rewards than being good, is that it?

I know we might tell ourselves that we need opposing views in order to evaluate our own but how can that be possible when the opposition is such asinine that it only serves to drag everyone down?

They start the mudslinging and deception and suddenly liberals are equally bad. They get in power and make the government ineffective and wasteful, continuing the cycle that they intended in the first place. But the blame falls on us as well.

It is like a cult of racists and selfish assholes. The republican party should not exist in its current form and it angers me that they will only get worse.
 

MoxManiac

Member
So, Trump apparently has a pretrial court date for the rape of the 13 year old girl in december. And the trump university case. And the trump foundation investigation. And of course, not paying taxes.

But Hillary is the criminal!
 

Boke1879

Member
So, Trump apparently has a pretrial court date for the rape of the 13 year old girl in december. And the trump university case. And the trump foundation investigation. And of course, not paying taxes.

But Hillary is the criminal!

That's what pisses me off. He legit has a court date for the supposed rape of a 13 year old. Don't know if it's true but don't you think that should garner just a little bit of attention?
 

Bowdz

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So, Trump apparently has a pretrial court date for the rape of the 13 year old girl in december. And the trump university case. And the trump foundation investigation. And of course, not paying taxes.

But Hillary is the criminal!

Something something he's a business man and that's just how they act something something.
 
So, Trump apparently has a pretrial court date for the rape of the 13 year old girl in december. And the trump university case. And the trump foundation investigation. And of course, not paying taxes.

But Hillary is the criminal!
Seems blatantly obvious he's only running for president to get off the hook for his criminal actions.
 
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