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PoliGAF 2016 |OT14| Attention NV shoppers, democracy is on sale in aisle 4!
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banefirelord
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A lot of bullshit that no one should take seriously. That swing is literally impossible in absence of any actual relevant news.
sazzy
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heh...
(ignore the time, this is about 4 minutes after MSNBC called Ohio and the election for Obama)
From reading it the change is mostly due to rising enthusiasm for orange turd. Although asshole Comey didn't directly effect Clinton's support it fired up Turd's supporters and probably some republicans who would have abstained.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Yep. Move along people.
Trump was in MI yesterday and apparently the rest of his campaign and family will be in MI throughout the week (Pence, Ivanka, Eric, and Jr.). Hail Mary? Or do they know something no one else on the planet knows.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/trump_children_mike_pence_to_c.html
Trust me I understand. Now more than ever we need to win this election but we're prone to bed wetting lol
Why can't they just wait until they actually have something solid and then talk about it?
heh...
(ignore the time, this is about 4 minutes after MSNBC called Ohio and the election for Obama)
Ahhh I member the days when everyone thought it would be Hillary vs Low-Energy Jeb in the general. Oh, I long for those days
heh...
(ignore the time, this is about 4 minutes after MSNBC called Ohio and the election for Obama)
light theme.
how are your eyes not burned out of the socket?
Nazgul_Hunter
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I think it's more of a Hail Mary; and honestly probably prompted because Trump thinks he can pull a Bernie Sanders.
I would put more stock in it if Clinton was making a big push. At this point, I only expect them to make data-driven decisions like that.
This is the Chris Matthews thing - I don't know if it has been edited to pull it out of context:
https://twitter.com/KGBVeteran/status/793330515730366464
https://twitter.com/KGBVeteran/status/793330515730366464
We heard from insiders that Trump's advisors warned him against going to MI claiming it's a lost cause. Clinton is also WAY ahead in the aggregate there. Also in order to win Trump HAS to crack a blue state. Even if we wins NV, NC, FL, OH and IA he still only has 266 votes.
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
That's really weird. Not going to panic about it, it just doesn't make sense.
nature boy
Member
Ha, no.
No wonder Trump won't pay you $750K
Wow. Let's just assume Comey didn't send the letter to change the race (I know). If he did this because he thought the GOP would hound him for years if he didn't disclose before the election, he should have also considered what would happen to his job if he did disclose before the election.
He is fucked, no way he survives.
Maybe Comey wants to have it be a daily talk show where they pull out the latest results from an envelope like Maury Povich. That is how insane this is getting.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Le sigh. Thanks, Comey.
LOL somebody legitimately asked what if the presidential election demos were like a midterm? Come on.
The only thing I've heard about Clinton in MI is that she has Cher (huh?) making campaign stops for her right now around the state. So no big push. (Edit - Oh and I guess the article I linked says Bernie is coming to MI for a stop too. Didn't know that)
Trump has already said his goal is to depress African American turnout by demoralizing people.
If you expect AA vote to be low, and you know you win low-college whites and unions don't help Dems much, Michigan is an obvious state to target. It's pretty much all African-Americans and low-college white voters.
Michigan, Iowa, Ohio, and eventually Wisconsin and Minnesota are all states that the GOP probably views as attackable, in the same way that we see Georgia, Texas, and Arizona as attackable. If Trump were leading by 10 instead of behind by 10 those are the states where Trump would be posting +1 leads every so often.
Yeah, this seems almost like he is saying what Trump is arguing for, not saying what he believes. Could be wrong though.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Who is Ari Melber
balladofwindfishes
Member
Even if he could somehow make two pretty clearly blue states red in a week... he still loses...
He can even have Florida in this map and still lose.
North Carolina is a serious gift this time around.
Here is the full explanation of what Matthews said. It was edited:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrum...he_dumbass_chris_matthews_didnt_just_endorse/
tedrotheredro
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MSNBC's Chief Legal Correspondent
It has been. Here is the full clip, it's a few days old.
He's actually saying what he believes Trump should be saying if he wanted to win, and explicitly says he doesn't want that.
nature boy
Member
That ain't somebody, that's they guy/pollster Trump owes a ton of money
Wiki: Ari Melber is an American journalist. He is currently MSNBC's Chief Legal Correspondent, covering legal issues, the DOJ, FBI and Supreme Court of the United States for MSNBC and NBC New
Fragamemnon
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Hillary can run some ads in Michigan with Trump's quotes about how his rallies sound as loud as an Ohio State football game. That'll wrap it up in short order. Maybe morph Trump into Brutus just to get the point across.
The Lamonster
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sazzy
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banefirelord
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You could even knock Florida off there and we'd still squeak by with North Carolina (IMO a much surer bet than FL). Trump's got the most daunting odds imaginable to pull this off.
EDIT: Damn your edits making me look redundant!
nature boy
Member
McMuffin gonna win UT, but in all seriousness, Romney pulled the same shit in 2012 and bombed
Not gonna happen.
Right. Which of the firewall states is he going to turn?
CO? NH?
I just don't see it. She doesn't even need FLA/OH.
balladofwindfishes
Member
We need NC to remain a blue leaning state in 2020. It's such an amazing insurance policy against states like Ohio trending red.
15 EVS are no joke.
15 EVS are no joke.
whyamihere
Banned
Oh boy. We already know turnout doesn't look like 2014. That's what early voting is for!!
Fragamemnon
Member
Trump's campaign seems hard boxed between PA/NC/NV. That's why he's moving on MI.
Hillary's campaign has real awareness of ISSUEZ
Hillary's campaign has real awareness of ISSUEZ
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Is there any polling that suggests Trump is within even striking distance in Michigan?
banefirelord
Banned
With Nevada on probable lock she doesn't even need North Carolina, New Hampshire or ME2.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Last polls were pretty bad for him, but they were a while back, I thought.
Edit: Fox 2/Mitchell had one from a couple days ago showing Clinton +9.
Fragamemnon
Member
real talk-if you take away the garbage trackers and partisan dumpster polls, doesn't this race basically look as steady as it's always been?
banefirelord
Banned
We've got a relatively slim polling advantage but unless I'm misremembering, we're approaching an almost insurmountable early vote advantage.
Well, he's going to be out of a job soon.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I just don't see how he wins MI after furiously attavking the auto bailouts
WI is a much more likely play
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