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Blunt 47 Kander 46 in Monmouth.

I firmly believe Kander got this. GOTV in STL will put him over the top.

Kander is an incredible candidate. I was impressed when he ran for SoS and am even more impressed after seeing him now.

After canvassing for him, people really like him - even those that won't vote for Hillary. Its anecdotal, but guys I've talked to in the campaign's agree. His appeal is widespread. Really hope he wins.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
The FBI released documents from the 2005 Clinton Foundation investigation.... Today.

https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/793482749025792000

There's obviously a group inside the FBI that desperately wants Hillary to lose and is trying their hardest to make it happen. This is clear election influencing.

But this is such a weak oppo drop because everything in the report is redacted, lmao.

Are they for real with the timing on this? I mean, holy crap.
 
The FBI released documents from the 2005 Clinton Foundation investigation.... Today.

https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/793482749025792000

There's obviously a group inside the FBI that desperately wants Hillary to lose and is trying their hardest to make it happen. This is clear election influencing.

But this is such a weak oppo drop because everything in the report is redacted, lmao.

The FBI is falling apart, jesus. They need to clean house.
 

shiba5

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What is going on?! A Government agency is actively trying to get a fascist elected.
Even if Dems win, I'm so disillusioned with this country right now. How did we get to this point?
 
There is no more damning oppo plain and simple.

You would think a mistress would have came out of somewhere for Trump or women he had sex with after marrying Melania. Also I guess that apprentice n word tape just wasn't true.

Anyone voting early has long since made up their minds, it's the ones waiting for election day that can be influenced.

I guess that's true. You would think if there is anything else, it would come out by Thursday at the latest. You would want it to be in the news atleast a few days so everyone hears about it.
 
Early voting is going on now. Doesn't really make sense to hold stuff back with a week left.

Most people, especially conservatives, vote on Election Day.

Look at that statement from Monmouth. There are actually A LOT of soft Trump supports, especially in Red States, who will only still vote for Trump if they think it will prevent Hillary from winning their state.

Ideally we want a late oppo drop so that Democrats feel scared into voting for Hillary while soft Trump supporters end up not voting for POTUS because they think it won't matter and are freshly disgusted with Trump. (Meaning we want an oppo drop that pollsters won't be able to measure its effects before the final election result).

Edit: Just want to make clear I'm not saying there IS more oppo. Just that so close to the election that it can't be measured by pollsters might actually be a great time to drop.
 

Effect

Member
There was a woman on msnbc a few minutes ago talking about black turn out in Florida and I didn't get a chance to watch all of the segment but she was saying that Hillary and the campaign didn't do enough. Didn't get into the community enough and I'm still left with the question of what could she have done more. That's something I always see missing here in this conversations when I see people on TV saying it. Accepting the fact she's not Obama and because of that turn out wouldn't have been the same no matter what. What exactly was she suppose to be doing that the campaign hadn't already done or is doing now?
 

Diablos

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From Clinton's team:
What else are they going to say?

"We are heading for a catastrophic loss. We are using our remaining funds to pay Square-Enix to make a Game Boy port of Final Fantasy XV so Hillary can play a video game for the first time in 20 years to help cope with such a decisive blow."
 
What else are they going to say?

"We are heading for a catastrophic loss. We are using our remaining funds to pay Square-Enix to make a Game Boy port of Final Fantasy XV so Hillary can play a video game for the first time in 20 years to help cope with such a decisive blow."

You guys are terrible at coming up with PR bullshit that isn't a direct contradiction of a difficult question
 

gaugebozo

Member
If the campaign does have more oppo, they're going to wait until right before the weekend to drop it. Gives Trump less time to counter it.

I'm guessing at this point they don't really have anything. Trump's counters have been the things that end up driving his numbers lower. At the various implosions he's had, it's been a slow dip as he just keeps going off on some tangent that makes things worse. They should be dropping it now if they had anything.
 
There is nothing coming out the Clinton camp that suggests they are scared. Meanwhile Trump is traversing blue America desperate for anything. Get real people


Also before the flood has made me infuriated at how our future destruction has been ignored

And there is definitely a faction of conservatives in the FBI who want to tip the balance in this election which is strange because there would be massive purges over there if Trump wins.
 
What else are they going to say?

"We are heading for a catastrophic loss. We are using our remaining funds to pay Square-Enix to make a Game Boy port of Final Fantasy XV so Hillary can play a video game for the first time in 20 years to help cope with such a decisive blow."

Yes, Diablos, that's what they would say.
 

Zukkoyaki

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Plenty of pollsters in the field have been backing up what the Clinton campaign is saying. PPP, Monmouth, YouGov, Morning Consult, SurveyMonkey and even the ABC tracker have noted the Comey stuff doesn't seem to have had an effect.
 
Oh great #PodestaEmails25

There's nothing in these emails.

Neera Tanden makes "draw and quarter the people that told HRC she could use a private email server!" joke and Podesta says "dump the emails" which he meant as "release the emails" but which conservatives are purposefully misinterpreting as "delete the emails!"
 
Regardless of leak contents, the fact that the FBI is behaving like this is really bad.

I hate to use the word, but "optics." I mean look at Friday where the letter from Comey basically had no information to suggest anything negative about Hillary and look at how the news reported it as the FBI reopening the investigation, etc. Same with this stuff. It is just the mere "FBI is investigating" that makes everyone assume the worst. Interestingly, FBI flat out refusing to investigate any of the questionable Russian ties to Trump even though they admit "hey some of this stuff could be weird" is extremely telling about priorities and partisanship, but that is not what is reported.
 
Plenty of pollsters in the field have been backing up what the Clinton campaign is saying. PPP, Monmouth, YouGov, Morning Consult, SurveyMonkey and even the ABC tracker have noted the Comey stuff doesn't seem to have had an effect.

Yeah, BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Amir0x

Banned
There is nothing coming out the Clinton camp that suggests they are scared. Meanwhile Trump is traversing blue America desperate for anything. Get real people.

Also before the flood has made me infuriated at how our future destruction has been ignored

And there is definitely a faction of conservatives in the FBI who want to tip the balance in this election which is strange because there would be massive purges over there if Trump wins.

Are we parsing those bedwetting about the presidency vs. those bedwetting about the Senate?

Because I think one of these is legitimate and shouldn't be made fun of ;P
 

Dierce

Member
What is going on?! A Government agency is actively trying to get a fascist elected.
Even if Dems win, I'm so disillusioned with this country right now. How did we get to this point?

It seems like the FBI doesn't like to be criticized. Leaks are happening because Comey is allowing it and Obama doesn't want to stir the hornets nest any further.
 
Comey's behavior runs deeper though-it shows a profound willingness by a federal agency to get involved with partisan politics. We've gone through that before as a country, it was bad.

Hillary needs to appoint someone willing to purge the partisans from the agency. It feels right now the FBI is all about partisan leaking information and non-partisans leaking more information to point out how out of control the partisans are and that the rest of the FBI are good people. Totally out of control!
 

Barzul

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Kander is an incredible candidate. I was impressed when he ran for SoS and am even more impressed after seeing him now.

After canvassing for him, people really like him - even those that won't vote for Hillary. Its anecdotal, but guys I've talked to in the campaign's agree. His appeal is widespread. Really hope he wins.

Think he could go for the presidency in 2024? He'd have to win here in the Senate race for sure.
 

Diablos

Member
Plenty of pollsters in the field have been backing up what the Clinton campaign is saying. PPP, Monmouth, YouGov, Morning Consult, SurveyMonkey and even the ABC tracker have noted the Comey stuff doesn't seem to have had an effect.
If nothing else it can boost GOP enthusiasm in the end making downballot more competitive.

I would love to be a fly on the wall during any Lynch and Comey convo during the last few days.

I wonder if Holder would have dealt with this more aggressively?
 
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