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PoliGAF 2016 |OT14| Attention NV shoppers, democracy is on sale in aisle 4!
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Yeah, this is basically where I'm at. If I'm not Gen X, then I'm stuck in limbo in between.
Seriously, how did it EVER get this partisan
Basileus777
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Are generations just a new form of horoscopes now? These descriptions read like something printed from an astrology site.
Called it a page or two back. You could read between the lines on the WSJ article a few days ago and get the same result, but it's nice to have it explicit. It puts the earlier Fox News/Feds indict story in the correct light, at least.
fivethirtyeight has trump polling higher now in florida and north carolina
i'm getting scared.
A black man became president.
Manmademan
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"Latinos" aren't a monolithic bloc in FL.
Cubans are prone to view the republican party favorably, and possibly ticket split for Rubio.
The rest of Florida Latinos, absolutely not, and Cubans are no longer the largest FL Hispanic constituency. They're down to about 30% of the total.
whyamihere
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Have you been paying attention over the last 8 years?
A "Law and Order" candidate being popular with FBI people? Shocker.
Basileus777
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Only if you complete ignore what's happening in NV, FL, and NC.
Atomic Playboy
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The whole concept of "generations" is outdated. It made sense when you were talking about baby boomers, since returning vets had literally millions of babies in the years immediately following World War II, which was pretty unprecedented. But in the decades since, you haven't had anything near the same massive wave of babies all being born in a relatively brief timespan. That, coupled with the rapid technological advances of the last 30 years makes it really hard to peg people under 50 into "generations".
Case in point: my brother is nearly 14 years older than me; his son, 13 years younger than me. So there's a pretty even split between us. I don't identify with my brother's generation, which was still very much 70s/80s culture of young men defining their existence through their cars. But I don't feel like I'm part of my nephew's generation either; he never knew a period before the internet, whereas I remember the first time we hooked our Macintosh up to the world wide web through an America Online floppy disk that we got for free at the grocery store. I didn't get warned about using Wikipedia as a source until I was midway through college; my nephew spent his entire scholastic career knowing how to crib the sources from the Wikipedia page without actually reading actual texts.
From a generational standpoint, we had three very different experiences growing up. But do you make a cutoff every decade? That's too often to have any real utility. A twenty-year span is too large to encompass the vast differences that people on the extreme ends will have. I don't have common ground with someone born in 1969 any more than I do someone born in 1996, but conventional wisdom says I'm from the same generation as at least one of them. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't help our understanding of the unique issues that face people growing up in different time periods, and it's a frankly pointless classification that serves as a lazy catch-all instead of any real distinction of defining similarities shared by a particular age group.
Case in point: my brother is nearly 14 years older than me; his son, 13 years younger than me. So there's a pretty even split between us. I don't identify with my brother's generation, which was still very much 70s/80s culture of young men defining their existence through their cars. But I don't feel like I'm part of my nephew's generation either; he never knew a period before the internet, whereas I remember the first time we hooked our Macintosh up to the world wide web through an America Online floppy disk that we got for free at the grocery store. I didn't get warned about using Wikipedia as a source until I was midway through college; my nephew spent his entire scholastic career knowing how to crib the sources from the Wikipedia page without actually reading actual texts.
From a generational standpoint, we had three very different experiences growing up. But do you make a cutoff every decade? That's too often to have any real utility. A twenty-year span is too large to encompass the vast differences that people on the extreme ends will have. I don't have common ground with someone born in 1969 any more than I do someone born in 1996, but conventional wisdom says I'm from the same generation as at least one of them. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't help our understanding of the unique issues that face people growing up in different time periods, and it's a frankly pointless classification that serves as a lazy catch-all instead of any real distinction of defining similarities shared by a particular age group.
Everyone has. But if it's so bad Comey can't even fend off pressure and they're literally injecting themselves into the final days of a Presidential race then there's still a lot to learn about how it got THIS fucked up
Wiz
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FBI needs to be purged after the election
whyamihere
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Again, though, he's not probably winning NV (we know this!), so trading NH for NV is a moot point.
Manmademan
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Are you kidding me? Law enforcement has always been heavily middle aged white men.
You're surprised these people are racist trump backing deplorables?
Come the fuck on, this isn't new.
gutter_trash
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Trump being Mr. Authoritarian Police State is a cop's wet dream.
Exactly
Laevateinn
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Republicans were this partisan before Obama. Member impeachment?
This partisanship started because Republicans thought they had the presidency for life after Reagan and Bill Crystal's strategy to not participate in any discussion of health care reform in 1993.
It's convenient to blame this partisanship on racism but Republicans are just evil.
Re: NH Polling
I live in the burbs between Manchester and Nashua and Trump support is certainly more vocal. Halloween weekend had folks dressed in prison garb with signs spouting the usual pro-Trump slogans. Hillary support has shown itself in the form of calls, texts, and door knockers in the neighborhood.
I've seen more activity from Ayotte's people than Trump's as far as phone calls and visits go. I'll be voting early (only way to vote early in my town at this point is "in person absentee") Friday. Anecdotally, I haven't seen anyone I know change position since day 1 so seeing things swing is concerning. Could be pro-Trumpers coming out of the closet that were voting for him anyway.
I live in the burbs between Manchester and Nashua and Trump support is certainly more vocal. Halloween weekend had folks dressed in prison garb with signs spouting the usual pro-Trump slogans. Hillary support has shown itself in the form of calls, texts, and door knockers in the neighborhood.
I've seen more activity from Ayotte's people than Trump's as far as phone calls and visits go. I'll be voting early (only way to vote early in my town at this point is "in person absentee") Friday. Anecdotally, I haven't seen anyone I know change position since day 1 so seeing things swing is concerning. Could be pro-Trumpers coming out of the closet that were voting for him anyway.
Okay please don't talk to me like that. It's a legitimate question. Please tell me the last time the FBI inserted itself into a Presidential election with less than 2 weeks left?
Basileus777
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The only thing annoying about this generation thing is how people keep saying millenials when they really mean youth vote. It's not 2008 anymore, they're not the same thing.
Box of Kittens
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Suffolk is the pollster who stopped polling FL and VA in 2012 because they were safe Romney. I'm not saying to ignore them, but the fact remains that recent polls in NH (aside from ARG, who should be ignored) recent polls of NH have ranged from a sizable Clinton lead to a near tie.
Holy shit that is insane. Trump is done.
Finale Fireworker
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This is the complaint my girlfriend and I make - but from the opposite direction.
People born ten years apart don't have anything in common with each other anymore. Culture and technology move much too quickly to insist somebody who is currently 32 had a comparable development to somebody who is 25.
My sister is eight years younger than me. I was born in 1991, she was born in 1999. Is she a Gen Z? Most people still loop her in as a millennial. Which is as absurd as comparing me to you. People even five years apart now have had drastically different experiences, let alone the ten that people insist unite millennials.
What I hate most about the millennial label is how it's just become a catch-all for anyone younger than the people writing think-pieces.
EDIT: Exactly what Atomic Playboy said.
Fragamemnon
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Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Why do a lot of these maps not give her 1 in NE? Is there something I don't know about the state of Omaha and Lincoln?
TestOfTide
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As someone who helps the campaign in NH I have a VERY hard time believing that Trump can win here.
Most of the people are Bernie fans and most of those Bernie fans are saying they will vote for Hillary, even if some of them are only doing it to stop Trump.
The only race that worries me is the US Senate race, although tying Ayotte to the lack of SCOTUS hearings seems to be enough to convince a lot of people to vote for Maggie.
Most of the people are Bernie fans and most of those Bernie fans are saying they will vote for Hillary, even if some of them are only doing it to stop Trump.
The only race that worries me is the US Senate race, although tying Ayotte to the lack of SCOTUS hearings seems to be enough to convince a lot of people to vote for Maggie.
nature boy
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She's winning NH, tightening or no tightening.
And she doesn't need NH if she's winning FL and NC.
P.S.: Throw the shitty ARG poll in the trash
Basileus777
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Because these maps are created to prop up Trump's victory chances. And NE 2 hasn't had much polling.
She's at least better on the teleprompter than her husband.
Dominican Power
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If you're registered to vote, do you need to take anything with you on election day?
What state are you in?
Dominican Power
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Randolph Freelander
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Yes. Someone else to vote, too.
MetalGearZed
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This whole country needs an enema after the election.
super right-wingers being in the FBI is a mess
super right-wingers being in the FBI is a mess
Absolutely. He sounds rough when he's reading, she's doing a pretty decent job right now. I'd almost say better than I expected. If this has been done after the Access Hollywood stuff, it might have done something.
Box of Kittens
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I understand Nate's philosophy here. On the other hand, at one point he was projecting Trump to set a record for a Republican candidate in DC (far above any recent performance) based on a Google Consumer Survey with a sample size of 73. It's not a settled question whether you should include everything, nor is it at all clear that his corrections and weights are right.
And a few corpses and family pets to also vote.
maquiladora
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I dont think ive ever been ID'd or anything. Just ask for your address
Tal Shiar Agent
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The FBI has been just as dangerous to American democracy as it has been beneficial. They do a great job at stopping right-wing terror but they can easily get way too much influence and leverage against congressmen and even the President.
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