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[TheLostBigBoss]

Either way these overly enthusiastic Trump rally goers are going to be scary on Wednesday

All these people are going to do is either

1) Go back to their local bars where they can say Obama is a n--, say Clinton should die, and cry about how America is gone

2) Go back online to crying about how women don't like them because they have to compete with men who give an effort.

 

[Hooligan69]

just got into the first five minutes of last 538 podcast: "the electoral map is bad for HRC," "very little room for error for clinton", nate silver. come on, man. "not a safe lead," "50/50 in nevada." at least he admitted his model based on bad polls doenst take into account EV numbers.

Downgraded to Nate Tin.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

If following politics on the sidelines is this stressful, I cannot imagine doing it for a living. I know this election is an outlier and possibly a symptom of what we can expect going forward, but holy crap if you're a pundit or someone actively vested in politics. The rate at which you age must be exponential.

 

[TheCochese]

All done in GA. +1 for the Queen and Bad Hat.

First time voting D for Pres. Feels good man.

 

[BigJonsson]

All these people are going to do is either

1) Go back to their local bars where they can say Obama is a n--, say Clinton should die, and cry about how America is gone

2) Go back online to crying about how women don't like them because they have to compete with men who give an effort.

Hopefully that's all they do

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

Solid PPP numbers for HRC, and finally a decent result in NH after a rough couple of days there. I also love bad Nate's article about a polling error meaning that the race would be tied. He failed to mention that a polling error in favor of HRC puts her up at 6 points, and that would make Georgia and Arizona back in play.

ClickNate needs Clicks.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Either way these overly enthusiastic Trump rally goers are going to be scary on Wednesday

Quite honestly, I want them to get it out in the open. Let's be done with the dog-whistles and down to the brass-tacks of the GOP as a White Resentment Party. Let the suburban Whites put their chit in that pile knowing full-well who they're supporting.

If the GOP wants to go full-fascist, let's do this

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

 

[Basileus777]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

No.

 

[Rockin' Ranger]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

No.

 

[BigJonsson]

Quite honestly, I want them to get it out in the open. Let's be done with the dog-whistles and down to the brass-tacks of the GOP as a White Resentment Party. Let the suburban Whites put their chit in that pile knowing full-well who they're supporting.

If the GOP wants to go full-fascist, let's do this

I'm very glad Canada doesn't have a right to bear arms

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

Hasn't gone red since 72, two Democrats in the senate and one in the governorship. Polling hasn't been favourable to him.

If he does, it's in a landslide.

 

[Jeels]

Hasn't gone red since 72, two Democrats in the senate and one in the governorship. Polling hasn't been favourable to him.

If he does, it's in a landslide.

What keeps Min, Wis, and Mich blue while Ohio continues to trend red? I feel like they all have similar problems with industry dying out, not as diverse demographics as the south, west/east coasts, etc etc.

 

[BadRNG]

So who are we realistically expecting to lose for the Senate?

Have you guys legitimately given up on Bayh?

Bayh is probably done, Murphy is likely as well.

I think this is our most optimistic spread?

Kander is not in great position though, and Hassan looks close. At this point I am banking on Hillary's ground game carrying over and pushing NV/NC/WI our way. Even if Kander and Hassan lose, we'd at least have tie breaker if the rest is accurate.

 

[sazzy]

why worry?

 

[whyamihere]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

No.

 

[thefro]

What keeps Min, Wis, and Mich blue while Ohio continues to trend red? I feel like they all have similar problems with industry dying out, not as diverse demographics as the south, west/east coasts, etc etc.

Southern Ohio (like Southern Illinois/Southern Indiana) is basically Kentucky.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

What keeps Min, Wis, and Mich blue while Ohio continues to trend red? I feel like they all have similar problems with industry dying out, not as diverse demographics as the south, west/east coasts, etc etc.

I find it weird because I thought it would be reverse that. Trump getting Minni, Wisconsin, Michigan being tight and she gets Ohio.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

Mondale-sota? Minnesota going red would be symptomatic of a wave election in favor of the GOP, which isn't happening.

 

[MetalGearZed]

Quite honestly, I want them to get it out in the open. Let's be done with the dog-whistles and down to the brass-tacks of the GOP as a White Resentment Party. Let the suburban Whites put their chit in that pile knowing full-well who they're supporting.

If the GOP wants to go full-fascist, let's do this

yep as long as there is no harm im fine with this

 

[TI82]

What keeps Min, Wis, and Mich blue while Ohio continues to trend red? I feel like they all have similar problems with industry dying out, not as diverse demographics as the south, west/east coasts, etc etc.

Minnesota is a tech center of the Midwest, and the area was founded by Scandinavian peoples.

 

[dramatis]

Manafort never left. He lives in Trump Tower.

FF XV

It's coming out after Black Friday, you won't get a deal lol

Bayh is probably done, Murphy is likely as well.

Hi Krael haven't seen you in a while

 

[johnny956]

Bayh is probably done, Murphy is likely as well.

I think this is our most optimistic spread?



Kander is not in great position though, and Hassan looks close. At this point I am banking on Hillary's ground game carrying over and pushing NV/NC/WI our way. Even if Kander and Hassan lose, we'd at least have tie breaker if the rest is accurate.

Just sucks Missouri doesn't have no reason early voting. I already voted as I'm going to be out of town but Saturday in-person early voting would be huge for St. Louis and Kansas City but of course no way 'super majority republican Missouri' would ever approve it

 

[Voysa Reezun]

.

Boy, these people must be really anxious about the economy!

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Wang's PEC model is feeling slightly bullish on a lot of the Senate races.

IN, NC, NH are all at 50/50 in the model, but MO is waffling around 44/56 for Kander.

I think we have a good shot at 52-48 Tuesday. BELIEVE!!

 

[Jive Turkey]

Either way these overly enthusiastic Trump rally goers are going to be scary on Wednesday

They're pretty damned scary already. An older man wearing a MAGA cap started shouting at my two year old son when he put our ballots in the ballot box accusing him/me of voter fraud. Who yells at a toddler?

 

[sazzy]

more good news:

if there is so much as a SINGLE instance of voter intimidation that can be connected to the Trump campaign after this, anywhere, they're in big trouble.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

yep as long as there is no harm im fine with this

You don't go full-fascist without some violence. They'll need to be put down, no-quarter.

I'm not afraid of civil-war, I'm afraid of further apathy from the non-voter population.

 

[Ryuuroden]

Southern Ohio (like Southern Illinois/Southern Indiana) is basically Kentucky.

Southern and south eastern Ohio is like kentucky, west Virginia. Really, Trump is the ideal candidate down there. I see a lot of Confederate flags in that area too,. They just usually are unlikely voters.


Anyways, what I really came to post, +6 votes for Hillary here (Ohio)

 

[Farmboy]

more good news:

if there is so much as a SINGLE instance of voter intimidation that can be connected to the Trump campaign after this, anywhere, they're in big trouble.

Good news, but still: Unreal. This fucking election.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

What keeps Min, Wis, and Mich blue while Ohio continues to trend red? I feel like they all have similar problems with industry dying out, not as diverse demographics as the south, west/east coasts, etc etc.

Those three are sort of the last vestiges of the old labor union vote, iirc. MN and WI are some of the last places Democrats win rural counties, which in conjunction with the big urban centers makes them tilt Democratic. One of my professors also listed Twin Cities as one of the best examples of good racial integration of minorities. It also has the well-oiled DFL machine.

 

[jack_package_200]

The Susan Surandon thread got locked pretty quickly

Why people listen to that woman is beyond me.

 

[sazzy]

good news comes in threes right?

1- lock-him-up-gate
2- RIGGED-gate
3- ???????-gate

 

[Mercury Fred]

+2 in CA and +2 for ending the death penalty and for pot legalization. Going to text bank for QUEEN this afternoon.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Those three are sort of the last vestiges of the old labor union vote, iirc. MN and WI are some of the last places Democrats win rural counties, which in conjunction with the big urban centers makes them tilt Democratic. One of my professors also listed Twin Cities as one of the best examples of good racial integration of minorities. It also has the well-oiled DFL machine.

This, to me, is the future Democratic coalition. With the rise of the unaffiliated voter bringing together what's left of retail/health unions, Greens, sustainable agriculture and traditional Dem demographics in the mold of DFL will be how you push-back against Revanchism.

 

[Angry Grimace]

The Susan Surandon thread got locked pretty quickly

Why people listen to that woman is beyond me.

There were some reasonable voices, but it was very quickly going in an ugly direction. Probably the right call to lock it down.

 

[Piecake]

What keeps Min, Wis, and Mich blue while Ohio continues to trend red? I feel like they all have similar problems with industry dying out, not as diverse demographics as the south, west/east coasts, etc etc.

Minnesota isn't rust belt. Its economy isn't struggling and is definitely a modern-oriented tech-service economy.

As for the difference between Ohio and Michigan/Wisconsin, this map is rather interesting.

Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Northern Ohio were settled by New England migrants. Southern Ohio was settled by migrants from the Southern Back country. These groups obviously had quite different values and cultures, and it seems plausible that it still has an influence today.

 

[KMS]

MI poll (EPIC-MRA) Clinton up 42-38, +4 Trump since last, +1 Clinton

Are there really this many undecideds left

Pretty sure we can start calling them embarrassed voters.

 

[gutter_trash]

So stupid that CNN says Clinton is below 270 needed.

reposting for sanity:
best Sabato predicts that 272 EV are already cemented for HRC

HRC 293, DJT 214.... tossups 31 (Florida, ME-2, NE-2)



http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-president/

 

[rjinaz]

Don't know yet.

My dad and I have an age old Thanksgiving tradition where we read the Black Friday ads while our food digests.

bfads.net is the way to do Black Friday. You know well in advance. Especially since some deals actually occur on the day of Thanksgiving these days, unfortunately.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

bfads.net is the way to do Black Friday. You know well in advance. Especially since some deals actually occur on the day of Thanksgiving these days, unfortunately.

My family is opposed to Thanksgiving deals and do not take part in them unless they're online. It doesn't really matter what they are, we just ignore them.

 

[Plinko]

Do we have anyone from Indiana who can explain how this happened? Just curious because I know jackshit about Bayh and the senate race there.

A cursory glance on google makes it sound like he pushed himself as anti-establishment only to get wrecked by an avalanche of oppo proving he's allied himself with lobbyists and wall street.

1. It became public that Bayh didn't live in Indiana.
2. He became a lobbyist during the financial crisis.
3. Young's ads have been incredibly effective. Really, really well done. They did a great job of making Bayh seem like an out-of-touch politician and that he didn't really care about the citizens of Indiana

 

[Outdoor Miner]

reposting for sanity:
best Sabato predicts that 272 EV are already cemented for HRC

HRC 293, DJT 214.... tossups 31 (Florida, ME-2, NE-2)



http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-president/

We made it my FL peeps! The only true BG state in the union!

 

[TheCochese]

Watching this Cubs parade has made me doubt if I'm still in my Prime reality.

I just saw someone walking down the sidewalk with swimming trunks over sweatpants. Shit, shit, shit...how do I return home?

 

[wumster3000]

Is there any worry that Trump could win Minnesota?

No, Minnesota is Minnesota.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

No, Minnesota is Minnesota.

I mean, Minnesota is Mondale's home state, you would expect him to hold that one if there's only one.

In any other election, it wouldn't be the anywhere near the last blue state standing.

All that said, Trump isn't winning Minnesota.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

No, Minnesota is Minnesota.

That map is so amazing to me. How does an entire country rally behind a single politician like that? It's so inconceivable to me. 49 states - and this was only in 1984. It's not like this is ancient American history.

This is the kind of thing that I would always believe could never happen. Except, of course, that it did.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I mean, Minnesota is Mondale's home state, you would expect him to hold that one if there's only one.

In any other election, it wouldn't be the anywhere near the last blue state standing.

All that said, Trump isn't winning Minnesota.

to be fair McGovern's one win wasn't his home

And MN was blue in the 80 blowout too

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

That map is so amazing to me. How does an entire country rally behind a single politician like that? It's so inconceivable to me. 49 states - and this was only in 1984. It's not like this is ancient American history.

This is the kind of thing that I would always believe could never happen. Except, of course, that it did.

Fear.


Plus an economic bandaid that made the 80s look like a recovery from the 70s recession.

 

[bananas]

That map is so amazing to me. How does an entire country rally behind a single politician like that? It's so inconceivable to me. 49 states - and this was only in 1984. It's not like this is ancient American history.

This is the kind of thing that I would always believe could never happen. Except, of course, that it did.

Less polarization.
Also, America was a lot more white and conservative and Reagan was a popular President who was in charge when the economy recovered from a recession.