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They're 2% apart in polling in a state with very good EV for the Dems. It's not the best shot in the world, but it's there.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Interesting they say they're doing best in Colorado of all the swing states.
Upshot looks the same. What are you saying
balladofwindfishes
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I'm a hard core Democrat and even I'm uncomfortable with Democrats cleaning house of the FBI over this.
Let alone what an Independent or casual Democrat might think
I'd rather get a good director in there to clean it up from within, over time, and with care.
bulletbill10
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Just had a canvasser come to our door in Cuyahoga County, OH. Got to have a nice chat about our recent move, and corrected her information about who lives at our address. Confirmed our plan to vote with her!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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TheLostBigBoss
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Michigan isn't going to flip
Nevada was the last post in the firewall, and that is all but cemented with the early voting turn out.
Clinton has NV, PA, Virginia, that's 271. Trump can't take that away.
Nevada was the last post in the firewall, and that is all but cemented with the early voting turn out.
Clinton has NV, PA, Virginia, that's 271. Trump can't take that away.
cartoon_soldier
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Souls to the Polls!
Manmademan
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I keep telling y'all about that FL polling.
ACTUAL latino support is a fucking disaster for the GOP there.
edit: wait, was that poll national, or just FL?
I hate twitter so much
We won in 2012, and will continue to win on the Presidential level, because Republicans are racist/sexist assholes who can't escape their own base. The ONLY way Democrats lose the presidency from here on out is if they spend more time playing with Republicans than trying to get things done so they have something to show to their base to keep them motivated.
But local politics in another story. We get whipped in midterms, because that base that keeps Republicans from winning the presidency consistently delivers for them locally. And we get whipped in midterms precisely because we don't play hard.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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If Democrats play nice and appease them, I'm sure they'll come back around to reality sooner or later.
Cuban Americans
No, we continue to win on the presidential level because we don't overplay like you want us to. Watch how quickly Americans will flip back to the Republicans if Clinton tries to clean out the FBI.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm feeling good about FL.
After Trump was found to try to do business with Cuba during the embargo? Eh. That's still a 20% difference.
GoldenEye 007
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Issue in Washington, though with at least one and now possibly two faithless electors.
It won't be close enough to matter, but if SHTF and it actually is that close, it would be an issue that would test the strength of this country to the core...
cartoon_soldier
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Cuban Americans still back Trump but by smaller margins than 2012.
Soul of the mind, key to life's ether.
Soul of the lost, withdrawn from it's vessel.
Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended.
So the world might be mended.
So we'll just keep loosing the House.
And the Senate.
And governors mansions.
And local legislators.
You know, where most of the shit that actually affects us actually happens.
I just don't know who this voter is that you're concerned about. The voter that is aware of what the FBI has done, but would be enraged at Clinton if she did something about it. Who is this voter?
JHoNNy1OoO
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I have hopes for midterms going forward if that becomes Obama's cause(after we fix gerrymandering). He could be huge and if Democrats wake the fuck up and fund-raise and treat it like a major election year we might actually get out there. Just get out there and vote every 2 years. 1 hour every 2 years and progressive policies can be a reality. Obama was the first step and hopefully Clinton the next.
YES WE CAN!
That's the problem with Dems now. They care too much about how things look instead of doing what's needed. You think Comey gave a damn about how it looked when he sent that letter? Or do you think the FBI cares how it looks that all this stuff leaked out?
GOP says all this crap about dems anyway when it's not true.
Manmademan
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Florida hispanics are about 70/30 non cuban. possibly less this year since the last census was 2014.
cubans lean republican, but not by THAT much.
Those voters don't exist, because voters don't think the FBI has done anything wrong.
Exactly.
We're fucked from the beginning if we try to play a game of optics against a party who constantly says fuck optics.
The FBI is alleged to be interfering with the very fabric of our democracy. Investigating and canning anybody who is acting with partisan intent stands on merit. It would have to be done the right way, of course (it can't look like Clinton is merely taking revenge), but under no circumstances can what appears to be happening be allowed if we care about our democracy at all.
GoldenEye 007
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They nominated a figure that says fuck optics all day long.
Garland really should be about the last move for Dems that takes into account what they might think.
Nobody outside of NeoGAF thinks the FBI has done anything wrong. There is absolutely no way for a President Clinton to not look incredibly corrupt while cleaning house at the FBI
I mean the bolded is clearly not true. However, I''m not going to speculate if there are enough people who think the FBI fucked up for a "house-cleaning" venture to avoid enough criticism to be a poor political move.
thanks
https://www.google.com/search?q=FBI+comey+was+wrong
And I'm with you, that cleaning house is a power move that would scare the shit out of most people. But let's not act like we're unique here. Comey is done.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Plenty of people on both sides of the political divide think that what Comey did was wrong. You might want to step out of the bubble every once in a while yourself.
JHoNNy1OoO
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I hate to break it to you but even Republican Congressmen think what the FBI did was fucked up and needs to be looked into.
Though firing agents just because they're investigating obvious bullshit would be going too far, firing anyone who leaked information about an ongoing investigation to a political campaign would hardly be controversial.
Republicans are backing themselves right off a cliff. This election feels like a violent flicker of a flame before going out.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
All it would take is for the president to give a detailed example to the public of why and how what they did was wrong.
Hillary herself doesn't need to clean house. She needs to appoint someone who will be zero-tolerance on shit like this. The house cleaning will happen on its own.
Make an example out of Comey, this will piss literally nobody off after last week where he got shit on by pretty much everyone but Trump voters. Get rid of Comey, appoint someone who will do the job. That person can't be a Republican. Clearly.
StormBrute
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I think cleaning house in the FBI would be best done in Obama's lame duck period, getting rid of everyone who leaked everything. It helps a little with the "optics," as much as it matters, and it's not like Obama is gonna be able to do much else during that period beside maybe push TPP through.
Brawndo Addict
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Doing anything with the FBI isn't going to make a lick of difference in terms of Democratic turnout in off-year/local elections.
Mostly this. People honestly don't give 2 shits about the FBI outside of stuff like this. So, clean it, nuke it, whatever, as long as it's done professionally. Still doesn't get you the House.
Kellyanne Conway did not have a meltdown on CNN judging by that video.
Dodged and deflected, sure, but nothing particularly noteworthy.
In fact - if there's anyone I'm impressed by in the Trump campaign, it's her.
She is able to spin the obscene into the (somewhat) palatable.
Dodged and deflected, sure, but nothing particularly noteworthy.
In fact - if there's anyone I'm impressed by in the Trump campaign, it's her.
She is able to spin the obscene into the (somewhat) palatable.
RustyNails
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What was palatable in there? She did not answer one question and almost asked Tapper to prove that the election is not rigged. Just because she's better than Katrina Pierson, doesn't really make her good.
Owen Ellickson shading Nate #2: https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/795019547724025856
QuiteWhittle
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What sort of bubble do you have to live in to think posters on a gaming forum were the only people upset at Comey?
I'm speaking more generally about her performance over the campaign.
As I noted, she dodged and deflected consistently in that video but nothing resembling a "meltdown."
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