PoliGAF 2016 |OT14| Attention NV shoppers, democracy is on sale in aisle 4!

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Debirudog said:
really, I just don't get how Clinton is involved in all of this just because her partner is once involved with Weaver. We know it has nothing to do with the servers or even herself, so the media just looks like they're making shit out of nothing.
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Anyway, yeah, it's not even something HIllary did. Huma forwarded emails to another account, that ended up in her and Weiner's phone (how?) or something. Gezus.

I'm torn on what the Clinton campaign should do. If HIllary does a presser on her plane or something about this, I mean, she literally doesn't have anything else to say besides what's being reported. "Well, my sources inside the FBI tell me it's nothing", is not something she can defend herself with (however true it might be).

If they ignore it and it blows up even more, they risk looking stupid. But the story just keeps getting less and less meaningful for Hillary as more info comes out about it. Even Republicans have stopped talking about this, relative to how they were in the morning.

The real problem I'm left with is how the media is using this just as an excuse to have "October Surprise" in the headline, when it clearly is not. Overall, I bet the campaign won't respond again to anything until tonight or tomorrow, and IF the FBI releases more information.
 
Suikoguy said:
The same Comney who had that partisan press conference?
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Yes. That same Comey.

She is going to have to work alongside him. We can't have both nominees for President attacking the integrity of the FBI. She needs to do everything she can to prop him up as a credible figure. From the facts we have right now, he is doing his job. Any attack on him would hurt Clinton, his credibility as a lawman is the only thing that ends the email story.
 
NYCmetsfan said:
this right here is a clear sign you've got nothing

What does he do? The media spin was going to happen, remember we were already seeing a "tighting story"
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No they are questioning the vagueness of his letter and why with 11 days out he wasn't more specific.

I have no issues with him bringing all of this up, but that letter was clearly vague enough to let the GOP jump on it and push a false narrative.

Intentional or not it's a fuck up because he and the FBI are now being used as a political tool. May have all been the case but why in God's name did we get the details of this whole thing in less than an hour from 3rd party sources?

He could have been a bit more clear about it and and wouldn't have pundits questioning the timing and vagueness of his letter.
 
Jesus fucking Christ, Amir0x, you're insane.

Amir0x said:
You can move right the fuck on with your typical hypocrite tripe finger wagging. You can aim that trash at someone who is actually dumb. Maybe theyd fall for that reductionist nonsense.
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How is this typical of metsfan? He's a great poster.

Saying he should lose his fucking job for being a partisan incompetent hack is not equivalent to banana republic throwing political opponents in jail. He is doing a horrific job, and there is no necessity an agency or a president has to let a moron continue doing shit at his job.
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It's not the same effect but the emotion comes from the same place. Have a little dignity and accept that the FBI is just doing its job, as it has always done, instead of painting Comey as someone with a dog in this fight who deserves castration and humiliation upon defeat.

Same with gerrymandering, your other favorite hypocrite screed. Failing a court judgement, Democrats absolutely should gerrymander in retaliation if the opportunity arises.
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The Democrats have gerrymandered before, back when they controlled Congress for like 4+ decades. It's not fair.

This way we can kill the gridlock and get laws passed preventing such things from happening in the future. I cant count the dozens of times a party has utilized similar negative tactics only to use their victory to end such practices in the future.
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By all means, list them.


You can stay losing on the mystical high horse if it makes you feel better.
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What a nasty ex-mod.

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Y2Kev said:
Well, should could address it at a rally, in a speech, at a press conference, etc. What is the best strategy?

I think she should probably call for full transparency, ask for all the emails to be released, and say that's that.
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I agree with this. She needs to step up and put this fire out now. As much as we say it's not a big deal, it is a big deal this election cycle.

Remember Hillary scandals are worse than Trump's because the bar is so low for him and so high for her.
 
BlastProcessing said:
Yes. That same Comey.

She is going to have to work alongside him. We can't have both nominees for President attacking the integrity of the FBI. She needs to do everything she can to prop him up as a credible figure. From the facts we have right now, he is doing his job. Any attack on him would hurt Clinton, his credibility as a lawman is the only thing that ends the email story.
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But, Comney has no credibility now.

There is a very valid argument to have him replaced for his conduct.
 
A) He had to notify Congress.
B) It's in his and the FBI's interest to be vague at this point specifically because they don't know what the relevance is.

I feel the targets for our ire are better placed on Chaffetz and the media.
 
NYCmetsfan said:
this right here is a clear sign you've got nothing

What does he do? The media spin was going to happen, remember we were already seeing a "tighting story"
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He should have shut his partisan shithole he calls a mouth - as if he didnt already embarrass himself last time he had an unprecedented press conference about the non-indictment - until it was abundantly clear he had more than ad libs the letter.

This instead was calculated to let Trump and his barely mentally sane supporters fill in the blanks with whatever bullshit conspiracy they had next, and allowed the media to fundamentally misunderstand what happened due to his intentionally vague language. He is a worthless piece of shit, and his career needs to be over when he ends his fake investigation.
 
CygnusXS said:
A) He had to notify Congress.
B) It's in his and the FBI's interest to be vague at this point specifically because they don't know what the relevance is.

I feel the targets for our ire are better placed on Chaffetz and the media.
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Soon after we got real details.

So I dont get this.
 
Amir0x said:
You can move right the fuck on with your typical hypocrite tripe finger wagging. You can aim that trash at someone who is actually dumb. Maybe theyd fall for that reductionist nonsense.


Saying he should lose his fucking job for being a partisan incompetent hack is not equivalent to banana republic throwing political opponents in jail. He is doing a horrific job, and there is no necessity an agency or a president has to let a moron continue doing shit at his job.

Same with gerrymandering, your other favorite hypocrite screed. Failing a court judgement, Democrats absolutely should gerrymander in retaliation if the opportunity arises.

This way we can kill the gridlock and get laws passed preventing such things from happening in the future. I cant count the dozens of times a party has utilized similar negative tactics only to use their victory to end such practices in the future.


In short, this is politics. Use the nuclear weapons you have against the obstructionist party, then once you win end the ability for either side to do it.

You can stay losing on the mystical high horse if it makes you feel better.
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You're not going to get laws passed with these actions. You're not going to win elections and you're going to have continued trench warfare where nothing gets done.

You're asking for undeliverables. You're not getting single payer, you're not getting free college, you're not going to fire people randomly, The Dems aren't going to get the ability to re-gerrymander because they can't win in OH, PA, NC's gerrymandered map. They can't win the house even with a insane person like trump. Its not happening but when you demand these things instead of promising and wanting incremental "high horsed" reforms that maybe don't get you the same level of power the other side held but get you to a more functional system that can break the fever on the other side and get back to a rational system were compromises have to be made and occasionally we get unified government.

you don't get change and rid of the radical right by promising the left impossible goals time after time only to get gridlock when they do the same.
 
Voysa Reezun said:
He sent this letter eleven days before the election, vaguely-worded. This is irresponsible. He could have - and should have - written a much clearer letter about what was being investigated so that Chaffetz couldn't have run right to Twitter to mislead the media.

I mean, if you want me to say that I'm displeased with Chaffetz and Ryan and CNN and the rest of the media that ran with this before they knew anything, sure, they're on the list, too. But regarding Comey, I can't help but combine this with his "Hillary Clinton is irresponsible and careless" rant before saying "Oh yeah, she also didn't break any laws" and come to the conclusion that even if he isn't actually acting in a partisan way on purpose, he sure as fuck presents information in a way that consistently looks partisan, and the director of the FBI should be above that.
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He doesn't have control over the timing of this. He can't hold this back. His statement was also not vaguely worded. It was simple but it was not vague. He goes out of his way to say that he has no indication whether or not any of the information is pertinent. He is not at liberty to say much more than what was in the letter. The rest e know is from backchannel leaks, the Director of the FBI can't just disclose that stuff in a letter.
 
BlastProcessing said:
He doesn't have control over the timing of this. He can't hold this back. His statement was also not vaguely worded. It was simple but it was not vague. He goes out of his way to say that he has no indication whether or not any of the information is pertinent. He is not at liberty to say much more than what was in the letter. The rest e know is from backchannel leaks, the Director of the FBI can't just disclose that stuff in a letter.
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He couldn't at the very least indicate that these emails weren't sent by Clinton, nor were on her server? I mean, I'm gonna need to see the receipts that saying this would have been a bridge too far.
 
CygnusXS said:
A) He had to notify Congress.
B) It's in his and the FBI's interest to be vague at this point specifically because they don't know what the relevance is.

I feel the targets for our ire are better placed on Chaffetz and the media.
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Yeah, the media is the biggest problem. Even Andrea Mitchell quickly noticed this wasn't a big deal, but the broadcast networks and cable shows couldn't avoid temptation and called it an October Surprise, when it's not.

And now, it's just Weiner stuff, mixed with "bombshell" "Clinton emails" and "FBI".

Ugh, it's frustrating. But, come on guys, it's now like this will last until election day or nothing else about Trump will come out.

EDIT: Oh shit, Hillary presser. They must feel confident that this is nothing in order to talk about it (that's Hillary modus operandi lately). I mean, literally, so far as she and everybody knows, this has nothing to do with something she did.
 
CygnusXS said:
I'd always default to coincidence over conspiracy.
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shem935 said:
They just found it? You want them to wait till after the election and piss more people off? It's clear Comey thought he was sending a letter to adults who could handle the information but it's obvious they couldn't and they leaked it.
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BlastProcessing said:
He doesn't get to choose the timing. When the information is found he needs to notify. Blame Weiner for the timing.

If Comey did hold this info back till after the election and it ever leaked that he did, Congress would destroy him.
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Voysa Reezun said:
He couldn't at the very least indicate that these emails weren't sent by Clinton, nor were on her server? I mean, I'm gonna need to see the receipts that saying this would have been a bridge too far.
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Agreed. He could have provided a few details to help prevent exactly what just happened.
 
Spoiled Milk said:
Jesus fucking Christ, Amir0x, you're insane
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Learn what insane means, thanks.

Spoiled Milk said:
How is this typical of metsfan? He's a great poster.
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This is like the tenth or eleventh time ive read some variation of "you are being just like them you cant criticize them if you do it too" from him. Usually false equivalent nonsense. I did not day that was symptomatic of all his posts. Just this specific type of conversation is his thing. He always answers this way about it, with typical lack of self awareness.


Spoiled Milk said:
It's not the same effect but the emotion comes from the same place.
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Emotion is not the same as substance. Yes in both cases it the emotion is anger. Is that the extent of the shallow analysis?
 
BlastProcessing said:
Yes. That same Comey.

She is going to have to work alongside him. We can't have both nominees for President attacking the integrity of the FBI. She needs to do everything she can to prop him up as a credible figure. From the facts we have right now, he is doing his job. Any attack on him would hurt Clinton, his credibility as a lawman is the only thing that ends the email story.
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Nope, Comey has completely fucked himself...jackrabbit

What he SHOULD have done is announce that the FBI weren't recommending an indictment and stayed silent otherwise, which is what the FBI usually does.

But he decided to risk his integrity to toss his party a bone, and ended up screwing himself with both parties. Dems have a legit reason to want him out, because he is no longer functionally impartially and is actively trying to hurt their nominee. And Republicans now hate him because he didn't go further and actually indict her.

As someone just said, his credibility is in the toilet with Gaga's new album.
 
BlastProcessing said:
If Comey has no credibility now then that hurts Clinton the most. He is the one who exonerated her.
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Lets be real. The GOP don't care about that lol.


Remember when the October Surprise was the Obamacare premuim hikes? The media is so damn hype for a true October Surprise that they are calling every event one.
 
Voysa Reezun said:
He couldn't at the very least indicate that these emails weren't sent by Clinton, nor were on her server? I mean, I'm gonna need to see the receipts that saying this would have been a bridge too far.
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He doesn't know that yet. The emails are still being looked at. He actually said this in his very non-vague letter.
 
Spoiled Milk said:
Jesus fucking Christ, Amir0x, you're insane.

How is this typical of metsfan? He's a great poster.

It's not the same effect but the emotion comes from the same place. Have a little dignity and accept that the FBI is just doing its job, as it has always done, instead of painting Comey as someone with a dog in this fight who deserves castration and humiliation upon defeat.

The Democrats have gerrymandered before, back when they controlled Congress for like 4+ decades. It's not fair.

By all means, list them.


What a nasty ex-mod.

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True but I asked Kyle Kondik about that and he said it also had a lot to do with Democrats still doing well in the South(rural areas elsewhere etc) at the time up til the 94' wave. Obviously the hold weakened over time culminating into 94' wave and then 10'
 
BlastProcessing said:
He doesn't know that yet. The emails are still being looked at. He actually said this in his very non-vague letter.
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What? But this information was leaked only about an hour or two after Comey sent the letter. Either he couldn't fuckin' wait to send the letter an hour or two (which I don't think anyone would have been blasting him for), or he rushed to send it without adding at least a bit of information to clarify that these emails weren't really connected straight to Clinton or her personal server.
 
How come Comey isn't listing all the other things that the FBI is investigating

Why not publish a full list on their website

Oh wait
 
Voysa Reezun said:
He couldn't at the very least indicate that these emails weren't sent by Clinton, nor were on her server? I mean, I'm gonna need to see the receipts that saying this would have been a bridge too far.
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The investigation was never just Clinton. This is what it was

The F.B.I. is investigating whether Mrs. Clinton, her aides or anyone else broke the law by setting up a private email server for her to use as secretary of state.
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What your asking is even more blatant electioneering. Singling Clinton out is, 1 prejudicing the investigation (because he literally doesn't know what the emails contain!) and 2 clearly trying to exonerate clinton.
 
Hilldawg's statement was great. Calling on the FBI to release everything and saying Comey needs to clarify the situation.
 
Ugh, the news alerts are just as bad "Hillary Clinton to hold press conference following announcement FBI will reopen email investigation"

No, they aren't "reopening" anything. It wasn't even fully closed to begin with. Another alert said it was an "email scandal".

I hope Hillary comes out in good spirits about it to show just how much of a nothing this is.
 
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