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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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You realize that Bernie's stance on trade would throw literally millions of people around the world into the sort of poverty that makes being poor in the US or Canada look like a pool party right? Or are we just going to ignore that fact because it doesn't mesh with your narrative?
Ah yes, the Hillary that was instrumental in one of the most important pieces of healthcare legislation our country saw between Medicare and the ACA.
She's only providing low-income children with healthcare because she wants their vote.
Thunder Monkey
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eBay Huckster
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bernie voted in support of basically every intervention in the last 20 years that wasn't the 2002 AUMF that came up for a vote (including Somalia, Kosovo, and Afghanistan, and multiple appropriations bills), even tacitly supported that with his other votes related to regime change (chief among them the 1998 "Iraqi Liberation Act"), has cumulatively voted for at least $7.36 billion in military aid to Israel, and voted against closing Guantanamo 10 years ago
and yet somehow he isn't one of these international policemen
and yet somehow he isn't one of these international policemen
Obviously.
Hey, The Butcher likes to play the long game.
Oh, we don't talk about CHIP. No one talks about CHIP because then you have to admit she did something big while in the Senate. All she did was vote for Iraq while she was a Senator, remember?
Can't have that bro.
You do understand healthcare isn't free, right? even where ever you live it isn't free. It isn't free anywhere in the world. Hillary has fought all her life for the federal government to fund medicare for all. Even Bernie's plan has everyone pitch in with extra taxes to pay for it. It's not free.
Bush invaded Iraq and he misled congress and the american people in order to do so. Hillary made the mistake of believing the president at the time, and that's on her, but she never had the initiative of just starting wars left and right like it's nothing.
We will build a lamp and the genies will pay for it
I have no idea what this means.
Macho Madness
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eBay Huckster
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on the same note, the poster you're responding to doesn't know what "playing international police" means if they think sanders isn't gonna do that
The point is, Bernie didn't vote for it. Wouldn't you want you next president to have the foresight to actually see what a mess it would be rather than making such big mistakes like this?
eBay Huckster
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so he voted against the 2002 AUMF. good for him. that doesn't absolve him of literally any of the other votes he's made that are otherwise consistent with america playing world police wherever it pleases, and there are a fuckton.
after 3 threads got closed today alone i don't think people want to dive in there again
after 3 threads got closed today alone i don't think people want to dive in there again
Officerrob
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Posters here have learned it's not worth it, and as you can see, OT doesn't exactly pay attention to politics all that much
It would be the graveyard of half of GAF.
Thunder Monkey
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Yes, people can be wrong sometimes and right others.
When the stakes are so large people can end up dead.
This isn't meant to wash it away, she made a bad decision. A bad decision that cost many their lives.
Bernie would have to make the same types of choices as president, and he's shown in the past that he has no qualms about making those choices with his vote.
out of all the ones posted today, this one probably should be. But let's be real, it'd be even more of a battlefield than all of those locked ones.
Why would anyone touch that? There'd be no point.
I'm assuming it'll get posted eventually though.
Aaron Strife
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Also if people want to blame her for the shitty things of Bill Clinton's presidency (welfare reform, DOMA, repealing Glass-Stegall) I think it's only fair we give her credit for helping pass good things.
Macho Madness
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Yeah that thread would not be locked quickly
I already said she's not perfect, but you paint her as some warhawk for believing lies from a President and his apparatus, like most of the country did at the time. She's not Bush, not even close and there's no evidence to believe she will start a war out of her own personal interests. This is why I don't think her Iraq war vote equates to her being a bloodthirsty war criminal like some believe.
Well she was just the First Lady when CHIP passed.
shinra-bansho
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So, umm. Afghanistan is still something of a mess too. I mean the pretense of that war... righteous vengeance... was better than Iraq... petty vengeance and oil.
Wow. Glad you're okay.
That's how you break up the banks. It's genius
First vote is to primary all sitting Democrats who don't qualify as "Bernie-crats"
Second vote is to kill all free trade
Third vote is to "break up the banks"
eBay Huckster
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basically all of its major state elections happen at off-year times, and for whatever reason that turnout in those elections is low...
link?
That doesn't count, because everyone voted for it instead of a large majority.
I'd rather have a Democrat than a Republican because there are a lot of groups in the USA that would get burned if the executive branch and the courts got stacked conservative. I like social democracy. I dont think Sanders is a good ambassador for it, because he hasnt done anything to assure me he is actually working towards making that a reality. He is weakening the likely nominee, he has failed to grow the down ticket strength of Democrats that would be needed to legislate any of his plans, he is anti trade and wants to be protectionist in a globalized economy, and is failing to reach the Obama coalition that gives the Dems their demographic advantage.
Shhhhhh.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, I can get HylianTom's frustration; the last week I went from, In the case of Sanders winning the nomination, voting for him in the GE to voting for Bloomberg if he jumped in the race over Sanders. Would still, in the case of either Cruz or Trump v Sanders only, vote for Sanders.
Benchmark's Wyoming Writeup
Looks about right to me, though I'd expect Sanders to overperform here. Maybe 75/25.
Looks about right to me, though I'd expect Sanders to overperform here. Maybe 75/25.
Macho Madness
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I honestly think Bernie lost my primary vote tonight.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's not in the Great Lakes area of confusion, so I would not be so sure about him overperforming, then again: fucking caucuses.
Edit: Indiana may tell us if it's Lake Michigan causing the polling being wrong, or something else. I'll have to see Tyler's model to be sure.
Yeah, it's the Last Caucus, and he does well there + west + rural + white, so it should be decisive.
eBay Huckster
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incidentally, i'd bet money on clinton winning the guam and VI caucuses by enough to mitigate most (if not all) of the delegate shift from this
in the name of the territories, i will punish you
You can't punish me, #ImWithGuam
EDIT: OH NO I FORGOT ABOUT NORTH DAKOTA PLEASE FORGIVE ME HEIDI
And the problem isn't the threads, necessarily, it's the behavior in the threads, and sometimes in here. We aren't going to allow you to treat each other with constant disrespect and insults, if that means we have to ban everyone political until the elections are over, I guess we could do that.
I'd much rather see people attempt to treat each other as fellows who believe in similar things, but with different opinions on how to achieve them. Of course, that requires both groups to quit treating each other as morons/republicans/the ultimate evil. It's entirely possible to disagree about this stuff without being an asshole. In the moderator's swanky underground lounge, we have mods who support and vote for Bernie, and we have mods who support and vote for Hillary, and then some foreign mods with various strong opinions. And yet we somehow manage not to say "fuck you" either explicitly or obliquely. No one is calling anyone stupid. No one is using the word "hate" about fellow travelers.
We sometimes disagree, and we challenge each other's facts. But we do it with the understanding that fundamentally we want similar things, we simply disagree about the best methods to achieve them. And mutual respect helps us not be giant douchecanoes to each other.
I'd love it if we could work on that in here and in other political threads.
eBay Huckster
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wait does that actually say guam? i have a word replacement extension that automatically replaces "south carolina" with it
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