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You mean he can stump for -- okay I'll stop and keep this PG.
eBay Huckster
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dang it, I can only ever be three of those things
(and eventually just two!)
(and eventually just two!)
That just means you can marry him to get him a green card.
Thunder Monkey
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It's not going to drive all of them to vote for Trump.
It'll drive some, like my little brother, to vote 3rd party. Though that may be in the cards anyway. The second I told my group about Bernies weird little tantrum about a fictional slight, my brothers response was "Panama Papers!"
He's becoming a believer in this anti-establishment rhetoric.
It's hilarious that Michael Moore promulgated this line of thinking, then turned hard on Nader when Bush turned out to be the disaster people expected him to be.
I don't remember much from the 2000 election, but I do remember a segment on public radio where liberals surmised that Bush winning at the tail end of a boom economy would make it more likely that he would be voted out when the economy inevitably went into recession. I've heard the same line of thinking this year. 2004 was the real backbreaker, with the Schiavo controversy and Supreme Court nominations around the corner.
For the 2000 election, I was in my final semester of PoliSci classes. For my last methodology class, we were given an extra credit assignment: the professor handed-out electoral maps for us to color-in as predictions. For every correct state, we'd get an extra point added to our test totals for the semester.
I put little exclamation marks and asterisks around Florida, and I wish I had saved the paper. I got every other state correct, save for New Hampshire. It was the first Presidential loss I'd experienced as an adult, and I'll be bitter about it to my grave. Probably part of why I think so very lowly of the folks who promote "my-candidate-or-bust"/"there's no difference" lines of thinking; these are folks who, one would think, know better. You lay-out cold, logical arguments, point out how government works, and you get fluffy emotional cotton candy responses that might feel good and righteous but that fall short when it comes to actual governing. It tries my patience, to say the least.
I put little exclamation marks and asterisks around Florida, and I wish I had saved the paper. I got every other state correct, save for New Hampshire. It was the first Presidential loss I'd experienced as an adult, and I'll be bitter about it to my grave. Probably part of why I think so very lowly of the folks who promote "my-candidate-or-bust"/"there's no difference" lines of thinking; these are folks who, one would think, know better. You lay-out cold, logical arguments, point out how government works, and you get fluffy emotional cotton candy responses that might feel good and righteous but that fall short when it comes to actual governing. It tries my patience, to say the least.
jack_package_200
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Former congressman John Dingell on the unqualified debacle
"I just groaned so hard my Life Alert button pressed itself."
https://twitter.com/JohnDingell/status/717891705530425344
"I just groaned so hard my Life Alert button pressed itself."
https://twitter.com/JohnDingell/status/717891705530425344
I truly love this man.
Thunder Monkey
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I was 17 during the 2000 election.
Didn't really follow politics, but hated Lieberman with a passion. The supreme court decision came down, my mom was devastated. I told her "Good, the last thing this country needs is a Vice President actively trying to censor videogames."
She whirled around with this intensely angry look on her face "You selfish little son of a bitch... do you want the elderly to go hungry? Do you want your fathers' VA benefits to disappear? Just because of your stupid little toys. One day you'll see what these people are capable of, and I hope you're ashamed you said that when you do."
Looking back... I was a selfish, entitled little shit. Had a great home, wealth, healthcare, the whole shebang. I didn't think of the ramifications, because to me, at that time, there were none.
Part of the reason I can't hate young Bernie supporters. I was worse. I let videogames decide who I supported as a teen.
Didn't really follow politics, but hated Lieberman with a passion. The supreme court decision came down, my mom was devastated. I told her "Good, the last thing this country needs is a Vice President actively trying to censor videogames."
She whirled around with this intensely angry look on her face "You selfish little son of a bitch... do you want the elderly to go hungry? Do you want your fathers' VA benefits to disappear? Just because of your stupid little toys. One day you'll see what these people are capable of, and I hope you're ashamed you said that when you do."
Looking back... I was a selfish, entitled little shit. Had a great home, wealth, healthcare, the whole shebang. I didn't think of the ramifications, because to me, at that time, there were none.
Part of the reason I can't hate young Bernie supporters. I was worse. I let videogames decide who I supported as a teen.
shinra-bansho
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Could be worse. You could be an adult still letting that decide your support against that harpy that tried to take away your video games.
One of the worst things about serving in Peace Corps is the inability to buy clothing for my one and only Queen. It's been interesting to hear Europeans' opinions on Trump as I was on Easter vacation. People continue to be horrified of him.
I do wish I could be in the states arguing for Clinton; my friends back home are very Pro-Sanders (and some are heavy on the anti-Clinton train and post everything they read from /R/ Politics).
On a different note, any good political literature from the last few years that would be considered a must read? Read a lot over the past year, but I am always searching for new recommendations.
I do wish I could be in the states arguing for Clinton; my friends back home are very Pro-Sanders (and some are heavy on the anti-Clinton train and post everything they read from /R/ Politics).
On a different note, any good political literature from the last few years that would be considered a must read? Read a lot over the past year, but I am always searching for new recommendations.
Thunder Monkey
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True, but for those peeps I wouldn't doubt there's a degree of sexism involved.
I was just a stupid entitled shit.
I didn't like Lieberman then, and I like him less now. Gore botched 2000 pretty bad, the Lieberman pick was a big piece of the puzzle.
I was only 12 in 2000 and we had a mock election in my 6th grade homeroom (which Bush won) and I told the class my mom said we were moving to Canada if Gore wasn't elected (we didn't).
I was only 12 in 2000 and we had a mock election in my 6th grade homeroom (which Bush won) and I told the class my mom said we were moving to Canada if Gore wasn't elected (we didn't).
shinra-bansho
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Also, this is actually the second time (at least) the Sanders campaign implied a lack of qualification. I think people forget since time flies.
This time though, no mention of uteri.
He really has awful senior staff and surrogates.
This time though, no mention of uteri.
He really has awful senior staff and surrogates.
Thunder Monkey
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It's really kind of amazing given how good their fundraising is.
They step into mistake after mistake, attack randomly, don't win often, or by the margins necessary to make a dent, but still fund-raise better than any campaign I've ever seen. Turning both wins and losses into big money-making events.
So my social media is on fire because a thread on S4P about Hillary trying to steal Missouri delegates (again!). The funny thing is that the first poster just misunderstood the rules. He thought delegates should be allocated by county but the rules published in February were clear that delegates would be assigned by CD. Anyways my point is that is fascinating on how social media work, you just sometimes start things that you can't control.
Black Republican
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Trump was low energy yesterday, but he appears to be in high spirits again. He must really love being back in New York. Hope he does something crazy soon.
i feel sorry for his daughter, having to defend his crazy
GregLombardi
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Wait what happened to Adam? Also please tell me people are turning on Bernie over this unqualified nonsense.
I continue to think people are significantly overreacting. Bernie going negative in such a pathetic way helps Hillary. This brings down his favorables, particularly with Democrats in next round of closed primaries where she will put him away.
The worst thing that could happen for HilldawgGodQueenton is Bernie come into NY, run a positive campaign on the issues, and outdebate her on the facts while mobilizing his base around the state. He's not doing that. You should be happy.
Like the Republicans need Bernie Sanders quotes for the general. Let's be realistic. It's Hillary Clinton. They have a 30 year playbook.
The worst thing that could happen for HilldawgGodQueenton is Bernie come into NY, run a positive campaign on the issues, and outdebate her on the facts while mobilizing his base around the state. He's not doing that. You should be happy.
Like the Republicans need Bernie Sanders quotes for the general. Let's be realistic. It's Hillary Clinton. They have a 30 year playbook.
If no one is implicated, then odds are no. The story wasn't even really covered by the major US papers (I was surprised by this) until the Icelandic prime minister got in hot water.
I don't think most people realize that like 95% of the "protections" rich people get in there can be achieved just by incorporating in the state of Delaware. I think that's why we're slow to see Americans implicated.
I don't think most people realize that like 95% of the "protections" rich people get in there can be achieved just by incorporating in the state of Delaware. I think that's why we're slow to see Americans implicated.
Delegate math and poll numbers if I had to guess.
Sirpopopop
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Right now I'm arguing with a Sanders supporter who says that Clinton being a Goldwater girl still has relevance today and that Clinton would support segregation today.
I don't care if these anti-establishment Sanders people leave the party. I think in the long run it's a good thing. Let's not make the same mistake as Republicans & court these people to remain in the party.
Otherwise we end up with the Left equivalent of Cruz vs. Trump.
Y2Kev - It's not about winning or losing. It's because Sanders is bringing ugly campaigning to the party. It's because a fair amount of supporters are becoming dangerously unhinged.
I don't care if these anti-establishment Sanders people leave the party. I think in the long run it's a good thing. Let's not make the same mistake as Republicans & court these people to remain in the party.
Otherwise we end up with the Left equivalent of Cruz vs. Trump.
Y2Kev - It's not about winning or losing. It's because Sanders is bringing ugly campaigning to the party. It's because a fair amount of supporters are becoming dangerously unhinged.
GregLombardi
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is this about the panama papers? I work in the industry and a lot of the stuff i've read from the leak seems super tame/overbown tbh.
From a strategic point of view I'm trying to understand what the goal is. As you said going negative before closed primaries does not seem to be a good idea. It alienates democrats, and independents don't vote. But surely they are trying to achieve something (I hope).
I think their assessment is that with the demographics of the following closed primaries they can't expect to win by winning the vote of die hard democrats so they will try to fire up their current base as much as possible to get the highest turn out possible from their prime voters. I think they expect that a highest enough turn out from their prime demographic and hopefully some complacency from Hillary supporters can help him overcome the odds or at least close the gap.
I'm not saying it's the best option but they don't have many valid strategic options to choose from. Of course this is all assuming that all this negativity is intentional.
Labeling her as corrupt and a shill is intended. But this, I think, was just Bernie getting baited.
Sanders has a long history of being shall we say incredibly tetchy when questioned. He got pissed during a long campaign, and after a night where if you look past the headline 'massive' win he basically treaded water (actually by most pathways to nomination he fell further behind)
Butts-a-plenty
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Hey it's Killer Mike! Can you please stop arguing with black lives matter activists on Twitter and work on RTJ3 instead.
Maybe the Q isn't a good venue for security. They could always try moving the convention to a beer hall! ;X
Oh man, my wife was reading that whole string from the BLM lady, Mike got dragged so damn hard.
FUCK! I thought I could check out for a bit, wake up on the 19th and get a nice break from things... But clearly this is now a race to the bottom for the next few weeks. Bernie and his team clearly can't take the slightest bits of criticism/overreact when called out on their bullshit (and I guess they know they really need NY) so now they're gonna go scorched Earth.
Attack/disqualify/insult, hope she makes some mistakes and capitalize from there. That's their only chance. They're gonna go hard in the paint/throw some bows in that coming debate. Gon be ugly.
At the very least, this probably pushes her margins in NY/MD/PA/DE and hastens Sanders' competitive chances in this race. Sanders campaign gonna be lookin real flabby and sick come CA.
Attack/disqualify/insult, hope she makes some mistakes and capitalize from there. That's their only chance. They're gonna go hard in the paint/throw some bows in that coming debate. Gon be ugly.
At the very least, this probably pushes her margins in NY/MD/PA/DE and hastens Sanders' competitive chances in this race. Sanders campaign gonna be lookin real flabby and sick come CA.
KASICHMENTUM?
StopMakingSense
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Today's gonna be a shit show, is't it?
In an odd way, I'm looking forward to it.
eBay Huckster
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well, if that's part of their strategy, comments like this are literally the worst possible way to go about ensuring the bolded
Really not sure what Bernie will do if he actually goes to the convention. You can't trust the guy.
All I know is he's doing so much damage to the party. I do not think the long term implications of his behavior will be good.
Would you please just drop out of the race already?
Between this and Trump looking less likely, with Cruz or maybe even Kasich waiting to jump on the advantages of a contested convention, I'm quite worried about the fall. Democrats should be way out ahead of this thing, not putting up with Bernie's bullshit while he damages the party.
Every day that this goes on is an opportunity lost for Democrats to play on their strengths and attack the GOP
All I know is he's doing so much damage to the party. I do not think the long term implications of his behavior will be good.
Would you please just drop out of the race already?
Between this and Trump looking less likely, with Cruz or maybe even Kasich waiting to jump on the advantages of a contested convention, I'm quite worried about the fall. Democrats should be way out ahead of this thing, not putting up with Bernie's bullshit while he damages the party.
Every day that this goes on is an opportunity lost for Democrats to play on their strengths and attack the GOP
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