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[eBay Huckster]

if WY is even a 20-percent loss instead of 40, that pushes the delegate gain from 6 to 2

which means clinton could double her post-WI lead. (probably won't - it'll be a bit less depending on the NY/CA margins - but could.)

 

[B-Dubs]

If she keeps it under 56%, a delegate tie.

Also, who are Wyoming Democrats?!

I assume they checked the wrong box by mistake when registering.

 

[Butts-a-plenty]

If she keeps it under 56%, a delegate tie.

Also, who are Wyoming Democrats?!

Native populations? I'm not familiar with the voting trends of Native Americans.

 

[darkside31337]

The CONSPIRACY salt will be out of this world if Bernie underperforms in Wyoming.

 

[Maledict]

I don't think supers are essentially a bad thing. But they show a dissonance with the current state of the democratic voters (members) and the elites. Bernie and his support is not based in a personality cult, but in ideas that a big part of the base agrees.

You would presume such division would be present too with the elites.

Bernie has more delegates than he should have based on the total votes cast. Do you think this is also un-democratic and doesn't represent the will of the voters?

 

[eBay Huckster]

Bernie has more delegates than he should have based on the total votes cast. Do you think this is also un-democratic and doesn't represent the will of the voters?

specifically, he has about 1-2% more delegates than his popular-vote share (even including estimates from caucuses) would indicate, and we've now reached the point in the process where that difference is actually kinda meaningful

 

[ivysaur12]

@benchmarkpol: Sweetwater county came in - 54% Sanders, 46% Clinton. Delegate tie may indeed happen.

Soooo

 

[NeoXChaos]

odd since CO, KS and NE were closed caucuses and Bernie killed Hillary 58-40, 68-32 and 57-42 respectively

 

[Macho Madness]

Wyoming is not going to be a blowout it looks like. Hillary won the biggest county.

 

[Kangi]

I'd be excited for this but it's Wyoming and I can't really manage to care.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I don't think supers are essentially a bad thing. But they show a dissonance with the current state of the democratic voters (members) and the elites. Bernie and his support is not based in a personality cult, but in ideas that a big part of the base agrees.

You would presume such division would be present too with the elites.

I don't know that this is true, tbh. For a lot of Sanders supporters it's very clearly about the man, not the message. That's where this whole "vote for Bernie, you can't trust Hillary" and "Bernie Sanders has always been right" stuff is coming from. They like who he is at least as much as what he says.

 

[B-Dubs]

odd since CO, KS and NE was a closed caucus and Bernie killed Hillary 58-40, 68-32 and 42-57 respectively

Could be the events of the last week and Bernie having gone negative. If so I'd expect a shift in the NY numbers when we get them next week.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Harry Enten ‏@ForecasterEnten 4m4 minutes ago
If Twitter is to be believed, Clinton getting a lot of support in WY via "surrogate ballots"... Sorta the equivalent of absentee ballots.

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[Macho Madness]

Surrogate ballots appear to be Hillary's savior in Wyoming

 

[ivysaur12]

.

Sounds like fraud

 

[dramatis]

The machinations of the Clinton campaign

A fight in every state

 

[Butts-a-plenty]

Wymentum.

 

[Wilsongt]

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/09/47339...erdelegate-hit-list-superdelegates-not-amused

Getting put on a hitlist sounds awful

Also the tweet... jeez




The hitlist creator sounds like a fucking douche at the end.

Oh look. A person who doesn't understand how the election process works. Seems to be a common theme this election cycle.

 

[B-Dubs]

Surrogate ballots appear to be Hillary's savior in Wyoming

Did the other caucuses have such a thing? If not it would go a long way to explaining this result and what we saw in the other caucus states.

 

[Loudninja]

Sounds like fraud

When in doubt FRAUD.

 

[Macho Madness]

It was looking like Hillary was non-viable in Laramie county until the surrogate ballots were recorded and likely flipped the county entirely. If so that's funny.

 

[eBay Huckster]

so as usual, implements that result in higher turnout mainly benefit Clinton

 

[Butts-a-plenty]

Where are you seeing results?

 

[royalan]

I don't think supers are essentially a bad thing. But they show a dissonance with the current state of the democratic voters (members) and the elites. Bernie and his support is not based in a personality cult, but in ideas that a big part of the base agrees.

You would presume such division would be present too with the elites.

No you wouldn't, or two reasons.

1) Hillary represents a lot of these same beliefs. Seriously, this idea that Bernie Sanders decides what is and isn't a progressive idea, and represents them, needs to die.

2) It should be of no surprise that the guy who has been an unapologetic independent for most of his life, and has admitted to only running as a Democrat to make use of our platform, is getting less support than the woman was who been working her ass off for the party for the last 40 years.

 

[dramatis]

Where are you seeing results?

Mostly twitter apparently, AP and the likes haven't updated their maps yet

 

[Kangi]

This week's buzzwords are "surrogate ballots".

surrogate ballots, n - "dirty, dirty voter fraud by Hilliary herself"

 

[Loudninja]

Thought today would be boring this is pretty interesting.

 

[Officerrob]

I expected Bernie to win Wyoming by at least 30 points

 

[Suikoguy]

It's a shame caucuses are so useless we can't determine if this is a trend moving forward.

 

[eBay Huckster]

It's a shame caucuses are so useless we can't determine if this is a trend moving forward.

I mean, moving forward, Queen is gonna outright win the two remaining caucuses. So I guess this is a trend!

WERK

 

[NeoXChaos]

 

[Maledict]

I've been burnt too often through early results to believe stuff on twitter. I'm still expecting at least a 30 point win for Bernie - anything less than that is a win for Hillary I think.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I've been burnt too often through early results to believe stuff on twitter. I'm still expecting at least a 30 point win for Bernie - anything less than that is a win for Hillary I think.

fwiw those are final results from 10 counties, Sanders needs to win the remainder by increasingly absurd margins to even get to 61-39 (let alone the 68-32 that his target delegate spread would need)

 

[Iolo]

I've been burnt too often through early results to believe stuff on twitter. I'm still expecting at least a 30 point win for Bernie - anything less than that is a win for Hillary I think.

Heck after the last few caucuses I was expecting a 50-60 point win in Wyoming.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Heck after the last few caucuses I was expecting a 50-60 point win in Wyoming.

Nate's 'path to victory' for Sanders has him getting +58 in Wyoming

 

[Macho Madness]

So it'll probably be a 20 point win.

A good win for Bernie but it's Wyoming.

Not trying to downplay it but

 

[Y2Kev]

Nate's 'path to victory' for Sanders has him getting +58 in Wyoming

I don't think it ultimately matters too much because there's like two total delegates in Wyoming.

 

[ivysaur12]

8-6 delegates with Sanders winning. Loool

 

[eBay Huckster]

I don't think it ultimately matters too much because there's like two total delegates in Wyoming.

Fourteen.

Sad!

 

[Macho Madness]

So it'll probably be a 20 point win.

A good win for Bernie but it's Wyoming.

Not trying to downplay it but

It's Wyoming.

I drove through Wyoming a few years ago. Cool state.

To see.

Yellowstone is cool who won the crucial Grizzly bear vote.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I don't think it ultimately matters too much because there's like two total delegates in Wyoming.

Oh totally. But it just goes to show the expectations for Sanders performance in Western caucuses.

 

[dramatis]

Yo is TYT on yet

 

[Loudninja]

I don't think it ultimately matters too much because there's like two total delegates in Wyoming.

Still its funny to watch

 

[teiresias]

There was a primary today?

 

[Macho Madness]

Benchmark is saying possible delegate tie.

 

[eBay Huckster]

There was a primary today?

No, but there was a caucus!

 

[Paskil]

Benchmark is saying possible delegate tie.

Sanders is a mess.

 

[shem935]

Benchmark is saying possible delegate tie.

I know it doesn't matter but this makes me chuckle.

 

[Suikoguy]

I know it doesn't matter but this makes me chuckle.

It barely matters. It means he needs that many more delegates in increasingly unrealistic wins ahead. Could also mean the 'unqualified' comment hurt more than people suspected. But since it's a fucking caucus, it could just mean a traffic jam.

 

[User 463088]

QUEEN!
FUCK!
WERK!

Hahaha, if she ends up with a delegate tie in Wyoming, hooooly hell. LOLZ.