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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN

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NeoXChaos

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Why is anyone paying attention to that guy? His model is so hackish. I can make wild predictions like that in a flash and claim victory.


Like this:

NY
Hillary 65
Bernie 35

PA
Hillary 62
Bernie 37

MD
Hillary 65
Bernie 35

CT
Hillary 57
Bernie 42

DE
Hillary 56
Bernie 37

RI
Hillary 53
Bernie 47

IN
Hillary 51
Bernie 49
 

Holmes

Member
Let's see...

Their frontrunner has amassed his following by demonizing Mexicans and Muslims, and trivializing the needs and opinions of pretty much every other minority group and women. He's a national embarrassment. A walking, breathing reminder that America still has a lot to be ashamed about. But the only way the Republican Establishment can topple him is by dramatically subverting the will of the people.

I don't think there's any side here worth liking. It's all one big, glorious, embarrassing mess.

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I know. A big mess. I just can't imagine a democratic outcome being ignored and subverted in a western democracy.
 

Oogedei

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European Social Democrats would kill for somebody like Sanders. Lately there were many articles about the crisis of Social Democratic Parties (esp in Germany) and their struggle to find somebody who mobilises young people and somebody who returns to the old social democratic values. The whole media is interested in the US elections and mainly supports Sanders. Actually, everyone I know wants Sanders to be president (all my friends, colleagues, party members). But PoliGAF seems to hate Sanders, which is ultra strange to me.
 
People who don't know anything about statistical modeling and didn't actually look at his track record anointed Tyler a genius after he projected a Sanders win in Michigan. After his big flop on Super Tuesday 2 (aka Clintonwallofwinning.gif Tuesday) most of his fans abandoned him.
 
European Social Democrats would kill for somebody like Sanders. Lately there were many articles about the crisis of Social Democratic Parties (esp in Germany) and their struggle to find somebody who mobilises young people and somebody who returns to the old social democratic values. The whole media is interested in the US elections and mainly supports Sanders. Actually, everyone I know wants Sanders to be president (all my friends, colleagues, party members). But PoliGAF seems to hate Sanders, which is ultra strange to me.

He hasn't mobilized them though. He's just won the support of the small percentage that already vote.

There is not some brand new never before seen level of young voters.
 
European Social Democrats would kill for somebody like Sanders. Lately there were many articles about the crisis of Social Democratic Parties (esp in Germany) and their struggle to find somebody who mobilises young people and somebody who returns to the old social democratic values. The whole media is interested in the US elections and mainly supports Sanders. Actually, everyone I know wants Sanders to be president (all my friends, colleagues, party members). But PoliGAF seems to hate Sanders, which is ultra strange to me.

Speaking only for myself, I don't hate him. I just think he'd make a lousy general election candidate and find himself completely unable to get anything done as president.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
He hasn't mobilized them though. He's just won the support of the small percentage that already vote.

There is not some brand new never before seen level of young voters.

That's the thing no one seems to want to admit is true: youth turnout is down compared to 2008.
 
Is he going to endorse Hillary on SNL? (I'm kidding, but I do think that she has him as a break glass in case of emergency endorsement.)

For the most part, I don't really get the point of vilification to the extent that one would describe it as hatred for any of these candidates.

It seems a regular occurrence against Clinton. I've also seen it against Sanders, in my view to a lesser extent. But the latter may be more concentrated in here.
Weirdly, it isn't often directed at Trump.
 

johnsmith

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European Social Democrats would kill for somebody like Sanders. Lately there were many articles about the crisis of Social Democratic Parties (esp in Germany) and their struggle to find somebody who mobilises young people and somebody who returns to the old social democratic values. The whole media is interested in the US elections and mainly supports Sanders. Actually, everyone I know wants Sanders to be president (all my friends, colleagues, party members). But PoliGAF seems to hate Sanders, which is ultra strange to me.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-donald-trump-europe-vote-poll-a6964901.html
 
I don't hate Bernie Sanders .I mean, I can't say that I like him. I don't wish him ill. I just want him to go back to Vermont and the Senate please and thank you. I can't stand the way he's acted during this campaign. He seems like a cranky man who doesn't have the temperament to run a national campaign. let alone be President.
 

NeoXChaos

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I don't hate Bernie Sanders .I mean, I can't say that I like him. I don't wish him ill. I just want him to go back to Vermont and the Senate please and thank you. I can't stand the way he's acted during this campaign. He seems like a cranky man who doesn't have the temperament to run a national campaign. let alone be President.

and eight years early it was Obama supporters;

i don't hate Hillary Clinton. I mean, I can't say that I like her. I don't wish her ill. I just want her to go back to New York and the Senate please and thank you. I can't stand the way she's acted during this campaign. She seems like a cranky woman who doesn't have the temperament to run a national campaign. let alone be President.
 

Oogedei

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He hasn't mobilized them though. He's just won the support of the small percentage that already vote.

There is not some brand new never before seen level of young voters.

We ain't got no young voters so winning the support of a small percentage would be more than enough for us. Young people from here are more hyped about the US elections than our election just because of Sanders lol. He certainly generates some interest in politics among young folks regardless of lower voter turnout (btw got any good numbers for the voter turnout of young people?)
 

johnsmith

remember me
Bernie strikes me as more of a Jefferson guy than a Hamilton guy

The show makes a point of emphasizing Alexander Hamilton's role in the US banking system, and making New York the capital of it, so yeah, probably (no idea how accurate this actually is).
 
There's this weird wantabee rock band in this bushwisk bar with the saddest group of groupies.

I'm getting drunk though.

Btw Bernie is winning hipster bushwick there are paintings of him. It's kinda creepy
 
Do these people have jobs?
Get drunk at home.

On a Tuesday.

At noon.

Like the rest of us.
Who says I dont?

I haven't had a drink in two days :-(

I'm getting so hammered this week. There's a Brooklyn politics think Monday. Hillary happy hour Tuesday, and the debate Thursday (which makai and B-dubs are coming too)
 

Piecake

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European Social Democrats would kill for somebody like Sanders. Lately there were many articles about the crisis of Social Democratic Parties (esp in Germany) and their struggle to find somebody who mobilises young people and somebody who returns to the old social democratic values. The whole media is interested in the US elections and mainly supports Sanders. Actually, everyone I know wants Sanders to be president (all my friends, colleagues, party members). But PoliGAF seems to hate Sanders, which is ultra strange to me.

I think the disconnect is more about our different political systems than anything. Germany has a parlimentary/coalition government sort of thing right? Well, in that sort of system Bernie might actually have a chance to get some of his policy proposals passed, but as President of the United States? No chance in hell.

He is promising everything and the kitchen sink, completely unrealistic proposals considering he is going to definitely have a republican house and likely have a republican senate. Moreover, he has done absolutely nothing to try to tilt that balance towards the democrats or even tried to build up a solid support of other democrats to help push his agenda.

He is absolutely all talk and he has no idea and no plan at all to turn that talk into actual change. I think he is going to be a completely ineffectual president because of his pie in the sky ideas as well as an ideological temperment that will likely prevent him from doing the bargaining and compromising to get actual legislation passed.
 

royalan

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Is he going to endorse Hillary on SNL? (I'm kidding, but I do think that she has him as a break glass in case of emergency endorsement.)

For the most part, I don't really get the point of vilification to the extent that one would describe it as hatred for any of these candidates.

It seems a regular occurrence against Clinton. I've also seen it against Sanders, in my view to a lesser extent. But the latter may be more concentrated in here.
Weirdly, it isn't often directed at Trump.

Donald Trump is a cartoon villain. And not a good cartoon villain. Like, one of those shitty cartoon villains. Like one of the villains from Captain Planet or something. I do my part to speak out against him irl, but after that I move on because the man is lower than dirt with no redeeming qualities. He's not even funny when you get over the shocking nature of the things he says (and that happened for me around the time Rubio left the race. "Lyin' Ted" has been about as worthwhile a foil as...well, foil). What else is there to talk about.

Bernie gets more talk in here because mot of us are Democrats (or at least seem to be), so there's a level of personal investment in how this race turn out.
 

johnsmith

remember me
He is absolutely all talk and he has no idea and no plan at all to turn that talk into actual change. I think he is going to bea completely ineffectual president because of his pie in the sky ideas as well as an ideological temperment that will likely prevent him from doing the bargaining and compromising to get actual legislation passed.

Um...
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Piecake

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The show makes a point of emphasizing Alexander Hamilton's role in the US banking system, and making New York the capital of it, so yeah, probably (no idea how accurate this actually is).

It is. Jefferson also was a huge ideologue who preached about the common man and having a revolution after every generation. Jefferson was all about soaring rhetoric and high-minded ideals.

I havent seen the play, but the book that it is based off of basically shits all over Jefferson so I am kinda interested about what Sanders thinks of it.
 
Jefferson is crap and would be a tea partier. He also was a slave owning rapest


Any socialist should like Hamilton better. Central power > States rights.
 

johnsmith

remember me
It is. Jefferson also was a huge ideologue who preached about the common man and having a revolution after every generation. Jefferson was all about soaring rhetoric and high-minded ideals.

I havent seen the play, but the book that it is based off of basically shits all over Jefferson so I am kinda interested about what Sanders thinks of it.

You should listen to the broadway cast recording. IT IS SO GOOD. I've been addicted to it for months.
 
i'm considering flying out to NYC to take a bunch of pictures of me physically on wall street so i can piss off anyone on the other side of a TBTF argument from me on social media
 

Crayons

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Donald Trump is a cartoon villain. And not a good cartoon villain. Like, one of those shitty cartoon villains. Like one of the villains from Captain Planet or something. I do my part to speak out against him irl, but after that I move on because the man is lower than dirt with no redeeming qualities. He's not even funny when you get over the shocking nature of the things he says (and that happened for me around the time Rubio left the race. "Lyin' Ted" has been about as worthwhile a foil as...well, foil). What else is there to talk about.

Bernie gets more talk in here because mot of us are Democrats (or at least seem to be), so there's a level of personal investment in how this race turn out.

Word. For most of the election, I didn't even see Trump as a real candidate. When other people spoke out against him, I didn't even really bother because I thought talking about him was a waste of my breath, as I thought he had no shot at the presidency.

The fact that he made it this far has genuinely upset me and made me realize just how easily manipulated the American people are. Just go on TV and talk shit about the other candidates and win millions of votes? Really, America? How can you not see that he's a master manipulator?
 

Piecake

Member
Jefferson is crap and would be a tea partier. He also was a slave owning rapest


Any socialist should like Hamilton better. Central power > States rights.

But Hamilton is an evil corportist banker who was one of the originators of the conspiracy of the rich against the common man
 

johnsmith

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I don't know why you're posting this? Never said Europe as a whole would vote for Sanders. Social Democrats don't form the majority here, conservative parties do and they don't like Sanders at all.

Because you said
Actually, everyone I know wants Sanders to be president (all my friends, colleagues, party members).

Do you only associate with people that have the exact same political beliefs as you?
 
Word. For most of the election, I didn't even see Trump as a real candidate. When other people spoke out against him, I didn't even really bother because I thought talking about him was a waste of my breath, as I thought he had no shot at the presidency.

The fact that he made it this far has genuinely upset me and made me realize just how easily manipulated the American people are. Just go on TV and talk shit about the other candidates and win millions of votes? Really, America? How can you not see that he's a master manipulator?

Well, it's the same reason why Bernie is winning as well. Only difference is Sanders is raking in the cash from his supporters while losing.
 

ivysaur12

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I still think one of my favorite moments of college was Tammy Bruce trying to say conservatives care more about the environment because conservation and conservative share a root word. Apropos of nothing.
 
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